First.

Let me start this by saying.

I asked a few, simple questions.

1. If God is omni-whatever, why did he have to lie to Adam and say he would 'surely' die if he ate from the tree? This was obviously a lie, because Eve nor him, perished. So, according to the bible and from the beginning, it was the Devil, or Serpent, that told the truth.

2. Why did God create the Devil? I was told he 'didn't' he created Satan to be a beautiful angel that, using his own free-will became evil. Again, this reverts back to him being omni-whatever, because he should and would have foresaw this; thus the question at hand was not answered.

In turn, I was 'promised' a viable answer that I could not debate IF I answered two question in turn.

1. Do I believe in God? I said no, not as he is portrayed.

2. Do I believe the Bible to the Word of God's Spirit? Again, no, because it is a fact it is a man written historical document.

After answering this, I was told I sought not an answer, but, and unfairly mind you, was judged to only be seeking an 'argument'.

This lead to my only answer--

Watch this video
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbfRWoz4YI&feature=autoplay&list=PLB4ACECA1370078F2&lf=mh_lolz&playnext=4)

Now, for anyone who does watch this video I will warn you of one major thing off the bat. It is almost two hours long.

So, to prove I am not after an argument but a truthful, and viable answer I watched it.

Now.

Here are my thoughts which you can gladly toss in your own insight, whether you watch the video or not.

So, if you choose not to watch, I've made a detailed summary.

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1. The song in the beginning is horrible and almost everyone, minus two cheerful guys, seems utterly miserable and almost 'robotic-like'.

2. If you don't speak whatever they speak in Nigeria skip past the introduction song which ends at: 9:37. That's right, almost a 10 minute song. :O

3. Check out the awesome chicken dance replication done by the guy in the yellow shirt at 6:30. Priceless.

4. A woman will start to sing around the 7:42 that literally sounds like someone is torturing a chicken. >.<

5. If you didn't notice yet, this intro song has surpassed 8 minutes in length... Now I grasp why they look like robots. They probably said to themselves before heading out, 'That song again?!'

6. The first portion of the sermon, outside the fact his accent makes it tough to understand him, is about prayer groups. "Don't come to me, the pastor, when your group leader knows not of your problem. If you have a problem, seek the leader first, for God has provided you a solution."

...this sounds more like someone just doesn't want to be bothered, unless its an emergency.

7. Quoting passages again, blah, blah. Then he starts to speak of Born Again. It now starts to sink in, I'm not going to get an answer, even through this video. No, again, I'm being ridiculed and deemed of lower intelligence. I know what born again is and means. You are not trying to answer my questions, you are trying to deflect and divert and ultimately convert. But still, I'll play along.

8. Around the 25 minute mark: He said that he spoke to another pastor and, these are his words, not my own: "Why are you angry? That you would yell at a man of God? It is because you are scared. Someone has scared you. And you know not what it means to be a man of God." Wow.. just wow. He briefly mentioned Genesis, for like a second...

9.This pastor states that ever since he was 22, he has owned not one but two cars; his whole life. :O Maybe I should have been a pastor..

10. So, finally, at the 33:00 mark I 'received' my answer. Why did God create the Devil and the tree? He did it.. deliberately. Also, he spit out a new twist, I've never read nor heard before: "The serpent took her the apple and tempted her with it but made not mention of where this fruit came from. And she then gave it to her husband. Suddenly, there eye were opened."

11. "It is only the woman that has two mouths from which she eats. Eat is the key word here." What in the name of...

12. "Satan sent the serpent, through deception to have sex with the woman. Sex for pleasure. Satan had an agenda not even the serpent was aware of." ...? Seriously..

13. "Why was Adam also punished? As I told you before, Adam was a prophet and he was supposed to know that the womb of his wife was contaminated." Riiigghhhttt... "There is a law that he was supposed to have known." ..where in the h*** is this guy getting this chit?!

14. He states,or justifies said statement through Jeremiah 3:1 "If any woman leave her husband and sexes (idk what word he used) another only to return again, that 'land' is contaminated." Basically, if she leaves you, sleeps with someone else, and return, God FORBIDS you from being with her ever again.

15. According to him and backed by Matthew 19: This is theONLY just cause for divorce. She must literally fornicate with someone else for you to have cause to leave her.

16. 41:00 minute mark he says, "God hates fornication." 'Nuff said.

Ok...pause.

This concept just blew my mind..

It is stating.

The purpose of Satan was to mix animal 'seed' with man 'seed' so that he may feed off our natural animal instinct and drive men to do ridiculous things. Human beings do not kill, it is animals who kill to eat, thus by mixing the 'DNA' we gained their distinct trait to kill.

This is why Cain was evil, and Abel was his opposite. Leading to Cain killing Abel. Satan's plot was successful, and thus, why God ultimately decided to kill everyone via the Great Flood.

This is also why men have the natural vision to see women as 'objects of pleasure', because that is Satan's corruption; Satan's desire.

Key phrase thus far: "Sex was not designed for pleasure, it was designed for procreation." Astonishing, truly.

..with me so far?

That's the first 45 minutes.

17.LMAO "The Lion is the king of the forest." ..what an idiotic statement. I believed he meant 'jungle' but no, he said "have you ever seen the way the lion struts proudly through the forest".. lmao.

Alright, I watched it..

Let me point out.

This man 'added' numerous context and variables to an age old story to a level not even I thought was possible nor feasible.

That said.

His version is one not of Christian origin.
It is not taught as such in Rome, the Pope will not speak these words.

Why?

Because again, it proves, even further, that God is not only not the smartest being, but that his very creations can easily outsmart. Because the Devil not only did, but his one action; based on the concept of bestiality mind, contaminated man permanently.

The Great Flood was both pointless and counter productive; thus, this theory emphasizes the fact he is a sociopath. Since destroying the world of said 'monsters' accomplished absolutely nothing.

So. That said.

His explanation did not only fail to produce a viable answer without totally distorting the story; but he literally took a 'lie' and made it a bigger 'lie'.

The fact he proclaims Christians and the Pope himself; the ultimate God to man envoy on Earth.. are blasphemers; is ludicrous.

Ultimately, this became a new version of an ageless tale.

So, in conclusion, IF that version is indeed truly correct. Here are my major two issues:

1. God is a man of both constant mistake and regret and he is no longer omni-anything, but he is more closely related to man as he holds most if not all our imperfections.

2. The answer to the question, 'why did he purposely create the Devil and tempt Eve with the apple' shouldn't have received such a response as, 'Because he could'.

So, that's my thoughts on your new prophecy.

2.

Premise 1 is incorrect. Both Adam and Eve did die, so have all of their decedents. God did not say they would die immediately, just that they would die. It was Satan who assured Eve that she would not die who lied.

So, Spider, you agree with this version?

Two. If that premise is incorrect, why again, wouldn't he specify to those who lack 'knowledge'?

What do you mean, do I believe this? That doesn't really matter. I was simply correcting a false premise.

I'm not clear on what you are asking.

He didn't lie. When Adam/Eve ate of the fruit, death entered into the world. If they would never have eaten of the fruit, we would be born with eternal life. Thus because of Adam's sin, he died.
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Who says he didn't know this would happen? Who's to say this wasn't God's plan?



Very true. It is pleasurable to ensure we procreat. If "sex" has no pro's other then procreation, the world wouldn't populate nearly as fast. And God told us to fill the Earth, thus sex needed to be pleasing.



You're passing the blame and pointing fingers. This does not show Satan to be more powerful then God, for Satan isn't tempting "God" nor doing anything specifically foul towards "God". Satan has no power over "God". It is us Satan tempts and leads to destruction. Is it a parents fault their child ends up being a serial killer? A rapist? No, it is still nevertheless this own person's choice of action.



It accomplished much. If the world would not have "restarted" and or had to start over again from the flood, that evil would still have been on the face of this Earth. Just look how "evil" the world is in this day and age again, raping, murder, drugs, stealing, ect. Can you imagine just how "evil" the world would be now if it would not have been "refreshed" with the flood? Because they were about as evil then as the human race is now. So with that said, the world would be atleast twice of evil now if the flood would never had accured.



The pope is no more special or connected to God then you are. Don't know where the idea of a "pope" came from, it isn't supported by the scriptures. It tells us things such as "Go to your closet to pray to God" Your relation with God is between you and God, there is no "mediator" or "pope".

I know it doesn't matter, and you are right, I accept defeat, so to speak, on that.

I'm just curious, since this pastor was the words' blasphemers' short of calling all current Christians blind and misguided as such.

I'm under the impression you are a Christian or, at least, a man of faith, correct?

I'm trying to assess which version to now use in discussion.

So, if you don't want to answer 'Do you believe this version', it is both your right and choice and I'll respect it either way.

Adam lacked 'knowledge' until he ate from the tree.

Lacking knowledge, IMO, would also mean that you would take words as they are handed to you. "Eat this and die." So, why wouldn't you specify that 'you wouldn't die instantly'?

That left the gap for the snake to eat from the apple and say, 'See? I did not die.' Which easily left much room for the doubt.

I do believe what I posted.

I work with someone who accepts the Serpent Seed theory. The theory is that all non-white people are the spawn of Eve's tryst with the Devil. Genesis describes the encounter between Eve and the Serpent, she knew exactly where the fruit came from and knew that it was forbidden. The "two mouths" thing isn't in the Bible. This theory has no scriptural basis.

I think the real question would be..
WHY would god deny his children fruit from the tree of knowledge?

I would encourage my children to have seconds, thirds, fourths....

It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Yes, I got that. Spider pointed that out and I'm short of the word saying recant, but I pretty much did.



So it was 'God's plan' for us to all be contaminated permanently? Have us massacre each other due to suddenly created 'animalistic instincts' and diverge us down a path of chaos, destruction, and war?

Why isn't this his plan?

I'm assuming you realize that this fact led to the great flood among numerous other atrocities in this world since and by that alone; would classify God as a clear-cut sociopath; and he is no longer an 'Essence of Love' because his plan was to watch us 'slaughter' each other.

This is against everything you've ever debated Cowboy; that's why.



WRONG. According to this pastor, Sex was NOT an act of pleasure. It was ONLY a means to procreate. (Explains why, if it felt so good, they never had children until their banishment). It was the Satan-entranced Serpent that planted his seed (bestiality) in Eve which in turn, made the aspect of sex.. pleasurable. Not because God made it so, Satan did that.



Did you like miss my own sermon up there?
God was outsmarted by Satan.
Unless you are sticking to the idea that it was 'God's plan' to have the snake trick Eve and create the monsters we are now?
And yes, it usually is the parents fault child end up the way they are. Abandonment, lack of love, abuse --they lead to mental disorders that ultimately permanently destroy one person's perception.

Maybe it is not always true, but it is one common principle in a lot of cases I've seen/heard of.



Since you stated that the evil still exists, and made a solid point on this, I will accept and applaud this response.




So you too are calling the entire Roman Christian.. wtf ever they call themselves there.. just as fake as the rest of the world who pretends to know or proclaims to know?

And if I need to explain to you what the Pope is; well, I don't feel the need, so we'll just drop him from the equation.

thanks for the prefect reply and correct answer!

same thing!

Sex feels wonderful. It feeds the soul to give sexual pleasure to someone you love romantically. The Bible has many passages encouraging couples to enjoy having sex with one another. Whoever hold the belief that God intended sex as only a means of procreation is sorely and sadly mistaken.

Later when he re-mentioned the 'two-mouths', he did a hand motion.

I truly believe he was referring to the female part between her legs.

Don't quote me.

As for the theory; it sounds like a plot straight from a video game that Christians would soon attempt to have banned after its creation.

Is it possible? Maybe.

However, I truly feel bad for Adam. He lacked 'knowledge', was deceived by not only a serpent but his wife; and as such, was banished to suffer the same fate. All on the premise:

"You didn't know what you should have known."

Seriously, how can you tell, just by looking, that your wife or gf cheated on you? o.o ..and cheated on you with a serpent of all things. :O

..yeah, I should have just asked Spider.

Then I wouldn't have gotten the 'you are not worth my time' diversion tactic.

*sigh*

...tell Marrion up there.

His Theory is based off that premise.

I think they lost their childlike innocence. Almost every human sees the innocence of a child and sees something to be treasured. Maybe it's because we've lost it and can't get it back.