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Topic: Mystery of Iniquity: The Serpent Seed Doctrine
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Sat 02/18/12 01:14 PM

and thus she introduced Adam to sex for pleasure."

this is very lies, and i don't think to continue this very topic, and if you really want to know the truth about what i said, go and read my past post, or you can mail me, so that i will forward you the verse of the bible that prove that the serpent introduce sex for pleasure unto the woman eve, not to the man, bcos the man is her husband,

this will be the last time i will talk about this,
bye


How is that a lie? o.O

SHE introduced it to HIM.

That's your OWN words.

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Sat 02/18/12 01:16 PM
Edited by funches on Sat 02/18/12 01:16 PM



I think the real question would be..
WHY would god deny his children fruit from the tree of knowledge?

I would encourage my children to have seconds, thirds, fourths....


It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. :wink:


tongue2 same thing!




right..exactly what would evil knowledge be? ....the problem was that Adam wasn't smarter than a fifth grader ...he didn't know what "die" was and didn't even know that they were naked...even the serprent in which Adam had dominion over was smarter than Adam and Eve

only knowledge God gave Adam was how to tend the garden ....this is why it was God's fault that Adam fell

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Sat 02/18/12 01:17 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sat 02/18/12 01:28 PM


Marrion ,

God made all things to reproduce after its own kind.

Period.

God's Word does not change.



Also, only Noah and his family were left AFTER the flood.

Period.






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Sat 02/18/12 01:31 PM




I think the real question would be..
WHY would god deny his children fruit from the tree of knowledge?

I would encourage my children to have seconds, thirds, fourths....


It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. :wink:


tongue2 same thing!




right..exactly what would evil knowledge be? ....the problem was that Adam wasn't smarter than a fifth grader ...he didn't know what "die" was and didn't even know that they were naked...even the serprent in which Adam had dominion over was smarter than Adam and Eve

only knowledge God gave Adam was how to tend the garden ....this is why it was God's fault that Adam fell


Everything after, as a result, would also have been God's fault, not man's correct?

In set the cog for the wheel to be turned which lead to the Great Flood, and every war and act of sin since.

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Sat 02/18/12 01:43 PM
Edited by funches on Sat 02/18/12 01:44 PM





I think the real question would be..
WHY would god deny his children fruit from the tree of knowledge?

I would encourage my children to have seconds, thirds, fourths....


It wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. :wink:


tongue2 same thing!




right..exactly what would evil knowledge be? ....the problem was that Adam wasn't smarter than a fifth grader ...he didn't know what "die" was and didn't even know that they were naked...even the serprent in which Adam had dominion over was smarter than Adam and Eve

only knowledge God gave Adam was how to tend the garden ....this is why it was God's fault that Adam fell


Everything after, as a result, would also have been God's fault, not man's correct?

In set the cog for the wheel to be turned which lead to the Great Flood, and every war and act of sin since.


it's either God's fault or God is not omniscient ...


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Sat 02/18/12 01:43 PM



God doesn't hate sex. Nor did he mean for it to be used only for procreation. The same with food. Food serves a purpose and a need greater than just caloric consumption.

God condemns the misuse of both food and sex. Too much of anything causes an imbalance which has negative consequences.


Such is not my belief.

In the original post to this thread, I asked two questions.

One was answered via God being vague. The other, has not.

Regardless, and despite an apple being a fruit. Both irrelevant, and for the sake of argument we just say 'apple'. Truth is, I love pomegranates, so I'd like to think it was one of those.

According to this CHRISTIAN belief, called the SERPENT SEED:

God HATES fornication.
God purposely created the Devil.
God knew man would 'fail' and set him up to do so purposely.
God is a sociopath.

Period.

That's what this version states.

I don't agree with any of that nonsense, because that is literally against what the Bible ITSELF says.

Yet this is apparently why I am 'insignificant'.


WEATHER IT IS YOUR BELIEF OR NOT, DOES NOT CHANGES THE STANDARD OF GOD, AND IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, SO AT THE TIME WHEN YOU WILL BE JUDGE , THIS VERY DISCUASSION WILL STAND AGAINST YOU, BCOS YOU DELIBERATLY HARDEN YOUR HEART NOT TO HEED TO THE WORD OF GOD, IF IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, THAT IS DIFFERENT, BUT IF IT IS IN THE BIBLE, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE



Your serpet seed teaching just twists and

misconscrues what scriptures are really saying.


Nuff said.

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 02/18/12 01:49 PM


Your serpet seed teaching just twists and

misconscrues what scriptures are really saying.


Nuff said.



Hey! MorningSong! We agree on something!! :wink: flowerforyou

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Sat 02/18/12 02:03 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sat 02/18/12 02:11 PM
Ruth,I am earnestly praying and believing for the

people who are exposed to this serpent seed teaching ,to get

delivered OUT of this false teaching.


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Sat 02/18/12 02:07 PM



Your serpet seed teaching just twists and

misconscrues what scriptures are really saying.


Nuff said.



Hey! MorningSong! We agree on something!! :wink: flowerforyou


..as I agree to this.

The Bible as you two see it, from the traditional (lack of a different word) understanding, leaves room to question; however, it is your choice whether to believe this or not and I am in no place to question your faith, in itself, because it is your own.

I also seek not to convert or un-covert anyone to either philosophy. This Serpent Seed Doctrine, in itself, open a whole new entire revenue of hypocrisy upon its own wording and leaves even more open for debate and, as such, gives more room for plausible reason to deny and blatantly question.

That said; I seek not, as said, to change your belief, nor am I trying to attempt to distort your vision of what you belief. Instead, I am trying to understand WHY you believe so strongly and hold absolutely (or little) NO doubt as to the validity of such a belief that cannot, by any means, be justified outside of the term 'faith' itself.

I believe, honestly, this is why my intentions are so often mistaken and I am judged outright to be an atheist and consider God the ultimate 'Evil'. Ask Funches, ask Cowboy, heck you can ask Morning Song herself. You will openly and often catch me DEFENDING the same God I question openly.

If I could prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that God did NOT exist; you would then see a very different side of me; but since such is not feasible, I will not ascertain nor devote myself to trying to accomplish such outside of me only trying to grasp the very concept and fabric of what it is to have 'faith'. I call this 'blind faith' but apparently that term is suited for something else, so I rarely use it anymore.

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Sat 02/18/12 02:08 PM

Ruth,I am earnestly praying and beleiving for the

people to get delivered OUT of this false serpent seed teaching.





I wonder how anyone could even believe that version?

Sure it explains questions that normally are almost impossible to answer; like say, the ones I'm asking in this thread. But it ultimately creates the vision that God is no longer a being of love and mercy and that he should be, in fact by their own wording, feared and respected through that fear and by his own demand.

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Sat 02/18/12 07:39 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sat 02/18/12 08:31 PM
How?

Because false teachers will also mix in some TRUTH with their

FALSE TWISTED teaching....that is how.

To make it palatable.

They SOUND VERY persuasive and ARE persuasive....they sound just

like the "Real Deal."

THAT is how.


And that is why one must be born again, and be Indwelt

by the Holy Spirit , in order that one may be able to

recognize if what is being taught is Truth or Error.

And one MUST ALSO KNOW SCRIPTURES !!!

TO KNOW IF WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT,ACTUALLY LINES UP WITH

THE WORD OF GOD OR NOT!!!



Cause False teachers will say that THEY have the Truth

instead of True Believers ...again....this is why one has to

be born again..and also KNOW THE SCRIPTURES...in order to be able

to recognize the difference.


Again...false teachers teach some TRUTH also....not all is

error that they teach.



But here's the thing:


False teachers will say the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT

TRUE BELIEVERS ,that true beleivers are saying about the

cults.....the false teachers are actually calling the

true believers the false teachers......and are able to

twist scriptures in such a way as to fool those in the cults,

into actually falling for these false teschings.


THAT is HOW.

See what I am saying, Sin_and_Sorrow?


THAT is HOW those in cults are sooooo fooled into staying....until

God opens their eyes and they truly become born again, that

is...and then God eventually pulls them OUT of the cults.



But once someone is TRULY born again,

Thank God for The Holy Sprit Indwellng that true believer

now...becaause The Holy Spirit will let the believer KNOW if and

when something they are hearing is a STRANGE GOSPEL that

is "OFF", or not.


God said ,' My sheep KNOW my voice, and a voice of a

strangeer they will NOT follow ."



God's sheep are able to recognize false teachers....and will

flee from them.


But God's sheep will also pray for those in false

cults....and not condemn them...and will try and help to

correct them.....but usually to no avail( and that is why the

best thing to do is just pray for them)......


However, those in cults will always CONDEMN those who

are not in agreement with them.....( you will know them by ther fruits)......


but if believers earnestly pray for those in cults, God will

slso lead them out..and unto where the real gospel is being preached.

Amen.



:heart::heart::heart:


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Sat 02/18/12 08:32 PM
Edited by Sin_and_Sorrow on Sat 02/18/12 08:50 PM

How?

Because false teachers will also mix in some TRUTH with their

FALSE TWISTED teaching....that is how.

To make it palatable.

They SOUND VERY persuasive and ARE persuasive....they sound just

like the "Real Deal."

THAT is how.


And that is why one must be born again, and be Indwelt

by the Holy Spirit , in order that one may be able to

recognize if what is being taught is Truth or Error.


And Yes..false teachers will say that THEY have the Truth

instead of True Believers ...again....this is why one has to

be born again..and also know scriptures..in order to be able

to recognize the difference.

Again...false teachers teach some TRUTH also....not all is

error that they teach.



But here's the thing:


False teachers will say the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT

TRUE BELIEVERS ,that true beleivers are saying about the

cults.....the false teachers are actually calling the

true believers the false teachers......and are able to

twist scriptures in such a way as to fool those in the cults,

into actually falling for these false teschings.


THAT is HOW.

See what I am saying, Sin_and_Sorrow?


THAT is HOW those in cults are sooooo fooled into staying....until

God opens their eyes and they truly become born again, that

is...and then God eventually pulls them OUT of the cults.



But once someone is TRULY born again,

Thank God for The Holy Sprit Indwellng that true believer

now...becaause The Holy Spirit will let the believer KNOW if and

when something they are hearing is a STRANGE GOSPEL that

is "OFF", or not.


God said ,' My sheep KNOW my voice, and a voice of a

strangeer they will NOT follow ."



God's sheep are able to recognize false teachers....and will

flee from them.


But God's sheep will also pray for those in false

cults....and not condemn them...and will try and help to

correct them.....but usually to no avail( and that is why the

best thing to do is just pray for them)......


However, those in cults will always CONDEMN those who

are not in agreement with them.....( you will know them by ther fruits)......


but if believers earnestly pray for those in cults, God will

slso lead them out..and unto where the real gospel is being preached.

Amen.



:heart::heart::heart:




..but you have to be even MORE gullible to believe the bs and hypocrisy of said Serpent version.

..even to a non-believer, that version is completely laughable and utterly both a joke and a lie.

:)

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Sun 02/19/12 12:34 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 02/19/12 01:34 AM
Ok Sin_and_Sorrow :

WHY would people fall for a serpent seed doctrine?


Because they became more enthralled with the "man with

the MESSAGES " ( and that PARTICULAR man's INTERPRETATION of

God's Word ),rather THAN With SEEKING The Holy Spirit LED

Interpretation of The Word of God ...and STUDYING The

Word for Oneself.



Also ,The " man with the messages" was also a great

miracle worker and healer ....but yet TAUGHT SEVERAL

ERRONEOUS TEACHINGSS...THAT WENT CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF

GOD...ONE BEING THE SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE.



His followers today are called the" Message Followers"(who

also believe in this serpent seed doctrine).



His teachings run CONTRARY to the what The Word of

God has taught.



THAt IS WHY WE MUST KEEP OUR EYES ON GOD AND NOT ON MAN...

FOR MAN IS NOT PERFECT AND WILL ERR....

And this is what the man behind the messages did..he made mistakes,

despite his great giftings....and messed up and got into grave

error and false teaching.


And those who follow a man of errors, will also get into

errors.


http://www.midwestoutreach.org/journals/branham_tree.html


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Sun 02/19/12 07:10 AM




And those who follow a man of errors, will also get into






Following any man (or woman) without question is a bad idea.

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Sun 02/19/12 02:14 PM
I agree .flowerforyou


(((((((:heart:Ruth:heart:))))))

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