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Topic: 61% Favor Immigration Checks On Traffic Stops
Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 01/20/12 11:46 AM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 01/20/12 11:51 AM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!....

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Fri 01/20/12 11:51 AM
I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. That is the same impression I get. One can only go by what the poster writes.

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Fri 01/20/12 11:53 AM Edited by Optomistic69 on Fri 01/20/12 11:54 AM
I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... Very pedantic..just broaden it out a little bit and deal with the poor unfortunate people seeking a living.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 01/20/12 11:57 AM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 01/20/12 12:18 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list...

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 01/20/12 12:27 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list... Yea ok Leigh... Cops NEVER abuse their power. You win, I'm speechless.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 01/20/12 12:33 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list... Yea ok Leigh... Cops NEVER abuse their power. You win, I'm speechless. This was never a contest, not for me anyway...You and I see things differently is all....and there is nothing wrong with that....if my words about something I consider important are taken out of context by you or anyone else, I will do my best to clarify...Like this for example...I did not say cops never abuse their power, they do...I said "all" cops are not corrupt...

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Fri 01/20/12 12:34 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list... I agree. Random traffic stops have been made to check for driver's liscenses because of the number of people who break the law. Random traffic stops have been made to check for DWI because of the number of people who break the law. Now, random traffic stops are being considered to check for illegal status because of the number of people who break the law ... and make no bones about it, being in the country illegally is a crime and a danger to the driving public. The police are there to enforce the law.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 01/20/12 12:41 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list... I agree. Random traffic stops have been made to check for driver's liscenses because of the number of people who break the law. Random traffic stops have been made to check for DWI because of the number of people who break the law. Now, random traffic stops are being considered to check for illegal status because of the number of people who break the law ... and make no bones about it, being in the country illegally is a crime and a danger to the driving public. The police are there to enforce the law. Many, many illegals who cannot "read" English are driving on our highways and byways, the same highways that young mothers with children are using, teenagers are using, school bus drivers are using....If you cannot read road signs, you should not be behind the wheel .....It is also against the law to drive if you are sight impaired ....this is not discrimination, it is concern for public safety....

oldsage Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 18043	Fri 01/20/12 12:44 PM
I agree. Random traffic stops have been made to check for driver's liscenses because of the number of people who break the law. Random traffic stops have been made to check for DWI because of the number of people who break the law. Now, random traffic stops are being considered to check for illegal status because of the number of people who break the law ... and make no bones about it, being in the country illegally is a crime and a danger to the driving public. The police are there to enforce the law. Well said & direct to the point.

bhernandez Joined Sun 03/21/10 Posts: 14901	Fri 01/20/12 12:50 PM
if they decide to make police stop every single car to check for proper documentation, fine. do it. but i'm expecting to see EVER SINGLE MOTHER ****ING CAR checked. police can waste their time. holy traffic here we come. and for funsies, how bout i pretend i don't speak english and carry nothing on me at all times. (:

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Fri 01/20/12 12:52 PM
if they decide to make police stop every single car to check for proper documentation, fine. do it. but i'm expecting to see EVER SINGLE MOTHER ****ING CAR checked. police can waste their time. holy traffic here we come. and for funsies, how bout i pretend i don't speak english and carry nothing on me at all times. (: That's not RANDOM.

bhernandez Joined Sun 03/21/10 Posts: 14901	Fri 01/20/12 12:54 PM
That's not RANDOM. not at all. :p

Godiva Joined Tue 12/09/08 Posts: 5330	Fri 01/20/12 12:56 PM
and for funsies, how bout i pretend i don't speak english and carry nothing on me at all times. (: You just wants to be frisked in my opinion.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Fri 01/20/12 12:58 PM
I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... Very pedantic..just broaden it out a little bit and deal with the poor unfortunate people seeking a living. Pedantic....so you have a problem with details...why am I not surprised...

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Fri 01/20/12 01:00 PM


metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Fri 01/20/12 01:07 PM
If I pulled Leigh over for a routine traffic check, I would give her a good frisking ... maybe two to make sure she wasn't carrying anything illegal!

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 01/20/12 01:10 PM
Every country including Ireland turns on the foreigners when it hurts in their pockets. Everyone turns a blind eye when things are good. Look above you folks...not below... The people you are dissing are worse off than you and just because you cannot be one of the 1% do not take it out on those that are less well off. This is true. This has been going on for eons and the last few years that 'we' are in a money pinch, all of a sudden 'we' care. Nobody cared when the illegals were here picking the oranges and apples for 5 bucks less an hour than 'us'. Money is tight..hmmmm who can we get rid of now?!?! Greed, it's all about greed. If not the 1% then our own. Do you understand how big the wheel is, how complicated?...It takes time to turn....And PS...I have cared about illegal entry for as long as I can remember...probably longer than you have lived....It is NOT about the money...How many recessions have you lived through, how many depressions? Thank you for assuming I'm so young.... I have cared about the well being of my fellow humans as far back as I can remember. I didn't assume, twelve years younger is young to me... So you were concerned about immigration when you were 12? I was concerned about my fellow humans when I was 12. The beauty of uniqueness ....Yes, at 12 I was made aware...my parents talked politics at the dinner table....every night : ....like the sponges all children are, my siblings and I soaked it up.... Yes, I remember the dinner time conversations myself. I only soaked up what resonated with me, even at the tender age of 12 I knew people were more important than the politics. The beauty of uniqueness indeed. The problem with your response to me is that it seems to come without aforethought...when did I ever say I feel politics precede people in level of importance ?...Are you saying I cannot care about people if I am interested in politics? I can't say how you feel about anything, I can only go by what you post. All of your posts have been about the rules, the laws, the politics... 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' You seem to see illegals as not as important as 'us'. I see ALL humans important, much more than any rules. The topic IS about the complications illegals create in my country, not humanitarian responsibilities to the needy!.... As I said..the complications from illegals were not any concern until the deficit became such an issue. Not everyone is aware at 12. Honestly, NO ONE else cared before. Allowing the corrupt cops to detain drivers (if they happen to not have proof of citizenship) rough them up, impound their cars, take their children into protective custody... the concerns over illegals crosses over into humanitarian concerns. The 2 issues can not be separated. If we only look at the legal implications we neglect the human side. I do not agree with you, concern about the problems of illegal immigration did not begin with the latest recession.... All "cops" are not corrupt.... If proper paperwork can be presented, as with a drivers license or proof of auto insurance, unless the person stopped is breaking another law, these things you state will not happen... Lastly, the two issues can be separated for several specific reasons, specific circumstances....What you say would lead one to believe that you feel no one should be questioned for any reason because they are human beings...This is beyond comprehension...We must deal with the problems of illegal immigration for a myriad of reasons...Money is only one of those reasons and it does not head the list... Yea ok Leigh... Cops NEVER abuse their power. You win, I'm speechless. This was never a contest, not for me anyway...You and I see things differently is all....and there is nothing wrong with that....if my words about something I consider important are taken out of context by you or anyone else, I will do my best to clarify...Like this for example...I did not say cops never abuse their power, they do...I said "all" cops are not corrupt... I would like to meet these not corrupt cops, seriously I would cause I don't know any.. 'lets talk about our own sons and daughters first' makes your point very clear, i understand.

Godiva Joined Tue 12/09/08 Posts: 5330	Fri 01/20/12 01:14 PM
I would like to meet these not corrupt cops, seriously I would cause I don't know any.. Curious. So you are saying all police are corrupt? Or just that you have yet to meet one?