Now you're totally changing your "explanation" from claiming that the sacrifices were required to show sincerity, to now claiming that they were a form of punishment.

So you're not even being consistent with your claims and interpretations. You continually try everything under the sun in an attempt to 'defend' a totally indefensible mythology.

I don't buy into any of your explanations Cowboy.

Again, it's not that I don't "listen" to you. I simply see no merit in anything you say. Nothing you say adds up, nor are you consistent in your claims and interpretations.

You are clearly desperate to try to come up with explanations and that make any sense or have any consistency and you're failing miserably to do so.



I disagree that in Christianity the idea of blood sacrifices and the crucifixion of Jesus have nothing to do with each other. I personally feel that they are necessarily linked in a major way.

I also don't see where Jesus fulfilled any prophecy or old covenant. Jesus disagreed with the teachings of the Torah, and he most certainly didn't fulfill any prophesy associated with King David because the prophesy associated with King David foretold of a messiah who would be handed the throne of David by God. Jesus most certainly did not fulfill any such prophecy.

These are standard apologetic excuses that I have rejected many times over.

IMHO, it makes absolutely no sense compare Jesus with mere mortal soldiers.

That would reduce the Christian God to having no more power than mere mortal men, and being faced with a REAL THREAT to which he must sacrifice something in order to beat.

Soldiers have NO POWER and this is why they need to go to war against enemies they see as being a REAL THREAT.

You can't have a supposedly all-powerful God being forced into a situation where he needs to make a sacrifice in order to beat an enemy.

So I totally reject your comparison of God, and or Jesus, with having to succumb to the same type of 'sacrifices' that human soldiers might need to face.

Only a God who has no more power than mere mortal humans would need to make any such sacrifice.

So I don't buy it.

I reject the religion as being nothing more than a man-made superstition that has no basis in terms of any genuine all-powerful God.

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You have made the CHARGE that I don't "listen".

I do listen to your excuses for this religion. I reject them all as simply not having any merit.

It's that simple.

Your excuses for these fables simply don't hold water, IMHO.

LoL, this right here shows why I know you're just here to persecute religious beliefs, the Christian faith in general it seems. The speaking of the soldiers were PURELY for explanation of two different types of "sacrifice". The sacrifice they make or have made have absolutely NOTHING to do with one's salvation, again was merely for explanation of two different forms of sacrifice and to better explain what form of "sacrifice" Jesus made for us.



God has no threat. We the people of this Earth do have a threat though, we are not God the father. God will prevail without a doubt. The only way for the people of this world to prevail would be to follow our God.

Hebrews 8:6-8

6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

You can't "reject" something unless it is being forced on you. If you are forcing your beliefs down my throat, then yes I am rejecting your doctrine, your ideas and your beliefs.

But I am not reject some guy named Jesus. I never met Jesus in person. I reject your ideas and I reject your beliefs if you are trying to force them on me.

If you are simply offering them up for consideration or food for thought, then I politely decline your food. I don't like the look or smell of it.

And I am still not politely declining someone called Jesus or God.

So get over yourself. Okay? You are not and cannot offer Jesus or God to me to reject.







I rest my case.



I pretty much accept that as fact, but if it is fiction, it does not affect me or my world, so it is relatively unimportant whether or not he ever existed. No world wide religion or cult was created because of him.



Also, I accept that Columbus did exist. I'm sure the stories told about him are probably not completely true as history is written as they want it read and not as it really happened. There is plenty of evidence from many sources that Columbus existed, but I don't think he was the son of God, or that he was here to save my soul and show me the way to heaven, so it doesn't really matter.

The point is, Faith is not knowledge.

Cowboy we have been down this road before.

It does not matter if there was a real person sometime back 2000 years ago named Jesus, or Billy the Kid, or Columbus. That is irrelevant.

Your claim is that everything is based on pure faith and the preponderance of evidence is unimportant.

Therefore you expect everyone to believe you when you have no proof whatsoever. You make claims and statements and call it "Knowledge."

That is pure ridiculi.

So I am not "rejecting Jesus" or "God." I am rejecting your totally unsupported ridicules claims.

Well, that flies in the face of what you just posted:

You just posted:



Now evidently you're trying to back out of your very own analogy.

Probably because you realize how utterly senseless it was.





Exactly my point.

A God who has no threat would have no need to 'sacrifice' anything.

Moreover, the only "threat" that the people of this Earth would have would be a threat from the biblical God himself.

So in order for me to believe in the biblical religion I would first need to believe that my creator poses a THREAT to me.

I don't buy into that kind of superstitious fear mongering.

Truly.

More to the point, if Cowboy is paranoid that some God is out to get him if he doesn't believe in Jesus and accept Jesus as his "savior", then by all means Cowboy should do that for his own peace of mind.

But his constant attempts to spread his religious paranoia and fears of God onto others is truly out of hand.

I have no need for any religion that proclaims that their God is something to fear.

God has no need to 'sacrifice' anything, nor does he. What are you talking about? The sacrifice is on OUR side. God has no need to sacrifice anything. And God has no threat. I've already explained this, God has no threat. He will go on for eternity living merely, joyful, and lovingly. It is the people of the world that has the threat. Not a threat for God. Just a possible damnation to death if one doesn't wish to accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ.



God doesn't pose a threat to you. Again, what in the world are you talking about? God has told us the only reward for sin is death. It's not a threat, it's information, it's knowledge. Jesus offers forgiveness of those sins so that one may enjoy the greatness of Heaven.

No I'm not, nor have I ever said anything of such. Because of the fall of Adam and Eve, death has been put upon the people of this Earth. God offers redemption, he offers forgiveness, he offers eternal life if one wishes to accept it. No paranoia, no fears, just knowledge of what is. God isn't something/someone to fear. God is loving, caring, kind, and much more. The only thing to fear is one's own action, what one chooses to do or not do in their life. If someone doesn't receive the gift of Heaven, it is that one's own fault. Not God's, not anybodies but themselves.

If God is all powerful and if God loves everyone, then he will save everyone.

Even if they don't believe.

Sure you can. Some OFFERS you something and you say no, you have then rejected that gift. That's not "forced" on you or anything. If something is offered to you and you refuse it, you have rejected the offer.



I never have, never could, and never will. What are you guys talking about? Please inform me. Something has gone astray. You act like I'm preaching or something. Again, this is a religion forum to discuss religious things. I come to do just that, not to preach or anything of such. Purely to spread knowledge of subjects at hand according to my religious beliefs as that is what this forum is for, sharing one's own beliefs on spiritual/religious things.

Eternal life is earned through faith and actions. We as the people of this Earth have shown to be disobedient as a whole and have lost eternal life. So God offers eternal life once again to everyone that wishes to redeem themselves and show that they are not disobedient.

When you say:
"I believe Jesus is God's son and that he is the only way to God. " <---That is "sharing your belief."

When you state it as a fact and claim that "Jesus is the only way to God." <-------That is preaching.

Learn the difference or else for the rest of your life you will be accused of and perceived to be PREACHING.

Use these forums to learn something about yourself or you will never have any knowledge.

Preaching.

Please explain where you said that flies in the face of what I just said. The soldiers example was PURELY an expression of one type of sacrifice. Was just pointing out that "sacrifice" in itself does not have be burnt offers and such. Was explaining how Jesus' sacrificed his entire life. Not particularly just on the cross.

No, that doesn't work. This forum is for spreading one's belief. In this forum belief or not will be posted as a fact. Anything and most of everything shared in this forum is purely on faith, cause again that is what this forum is for. To the person sharing the faith, it is fact, so it will then be said as such. You do the same thing. You have absolutely no way of knowing for sure that Jesus isn't our God and wasn't sent to fulfil the old covenant to give us a new. Your belief in it being false, is purely faith based. But yet you state it as it were fact just as I, no difference.

No, just sharing my religious beliefs on such, which is again what this forum is for.

We are talking about the difference between preaching and sharing your beliefs.





We are talking about the difference between preaching and sharing your beliefs.





Yes. You are preaching. Learn the difference.




Then learn the difference.



You state your beliefs as fact and call that knowledge. Learn the difference.