I understand that Jesus was quoted in the New Testament because he was said to have been a human being that walked the earth.

What I find extremely suspect are passages in the Old testament that say "And the Lord said..."


This kind of vague hearsay of some unknown entity saying (and doing) things requires an explanation. Since "the Lord God" was not walking around on the earth then, why should anyone believe that someone heard "The Lord" say anything? Where is "The Lord" giving all these sermons? Burning Bushes? Lights in the sky? (Sounds like aliens to me.)

I dont think it could be adequately explained in terms of anything that could prove it. Only those who hear what they hear know they hear it,, similar to those who hear voices in their head,

I doubt they could ever PROVE that they do, but it wouldnt mean that they dont.

It does scream for some sort of credible explanation.

I mean are people silly enough to believe any crazy person that claims that "The Lord" spake to them?

I guess back then people were a lot more gullible, but today something like that would be seen as just coming from a lunatic.

It still annoys me when someone says, "The Lord said this or that..."

I know "it is written" in the Bible, but the Bible does not explain who this "Lord" person is or who he was even speaking to most of time.

In those days people did believe that God spoke to the High Priests but why do people of today buy that B.S.? Do they really believe that God went around talking to people or High Priests?

ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD and profitable for

teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in

righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for

every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17).



And because scripture(Word of God) is Divinely Inspired by God,

the Word has Power.

Wonder Working Power if we let it in....

The Word Becomes Alive in Us , when we speak and hear God's Word...

The Word is like a Seed.......



Isaiah 55:10-11 ...[11] so is my WORD that goes out from my mouth:

It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire

and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.




John 8:31-32, KJV Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on

him, If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed;

[32] And YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH , AND THE TRUTH SHALL

MAKE YOU FREE .



John 17:17 Sanctify them by the TRUTH; your WORD is TRUTH.


Psalm 119:11 I have hidden your WORD in my heart that I might not

sin against you.


Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The WORD is near you; it is in

your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the WORD OF FAITH we are

proclaiming.

We believe images on a tv screen are real people, they could just be creations,, but its the culture that gives us faith in the credibility of our source

I find it no more crazy to believe in a man in a sky than a person in a box...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence :)

true. but absense of evidence does not even a theory make.

I find it curious that when people of today say they hear instructions from God we declare them insane. When people in ancient times said the same thing they were revered as prophets.

That is not necessarily correct. Prophets were only generally revered as prophets if their prophecies came true, otherwise they were known as "false prophets" and stoned out of town.

Some prophets, such as Nostradamus, made incredible predictions that came true but very very careful about how and what they claimed to avoid being burned as a witch.

Some claimed their knowledge came from God and some claimed it just "came".

The written word had more power back then than it does today. Back then you had to be or hire a scribe to write it. Not many people could read or write back then anyway, so you had to have a person translate it. People had to trust them or ignore them.

The written word was taken for gospel simply because someone took the time to write it. People believed because it must be divine. It was almost magic for scratches on paper to actually have meaning.

These were primitive people. Imagine if you could go back in time. You have evolved to the point that they would probably worship you as a God. You would probably be astounded by the ignorance of the people back then.

Lancelot68:

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence :)"

Your first post. Welcome!

That is a catchy phrase and I've heard it many times, (but it had nothing to do with my post.)

If I came to you and told you that The Lord said something would you not question me? Would you not say "How do you know what the Lord said?" Would you not ask "Who is The Lord?"

If I said "It is written that the Lord said..." would you not question who wrote it?

Who speaks to the Lord today? Who spoke to the Lord 2000 years ago?

Are we so trusting and gullible that we believe everything "that is written?" Do we believe everyone who claims to have heard "The Lord" speak?

We would not today, so why do we believe a 2000 year old text without questioning it?

I question it.

Who sayeth that the Lord has spoken?

Who is this being you are calling Lord?

Where are his credentials?

Or do we believe every false Lord or God that maketh that claim?

Correction, you will never find a passage that refers to Jesus as "Human being" and you will never find a passage that refers to us as "Human beings".

Luke 10:27
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

The following verse is the only verse I know of the bible specifically telling us what we are eg., humans, gods, monkeys, cows, ect lol.

Psalm 82:6
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Another good verse

Psalm 82

1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Notice Judgeth among the gods. And in no way am I saying we are equal or could be equal with God the father or the son.

To say that ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD should be challenged.

I challenge this statement.




That is not why the written word has power.






My question involves quoting "The Lord" in scripture.

I challenge the hearsay.

Who quoted the Lord? Who heard the Lord? Who is The Lord?"

Its about credibility.

If I made the statement that President Obama said something I would naturally be challenged to explain when and where he said it and even offer proof.

If I proclaim that "The Lord" said something, or that "The Lord" has spoken to me in a dream so I must be "divinely inspired" and I write it down or publish it on the Internet, how many people will believe it?

Believe it or not, there are people who claim to be in direct communication with God even today. Do we clamor to write down or believe everything they say? NO.

Therefore why should we place our faith in 2000 year old scripture that is not credible?

I did not say there was a "passage" that refers to Jesus as "Human being."

People say he was a human being. He was born of a woman. He was human was he not? That woman was human was she not?

Why do you assume I would quote scripture anyway?

His post has everything to do with your post. You just didn't understand it.

If God spoke to him, but not you, you would have no evidence that it happened. But the fact that you have no evidence is not evidence that it didn't happen. You only have evidence that it didn't happen to you.

I certainly do understand what he was saying, but that is not my point.

I am talking about hearsay. I'm not even asking for proof that it happened. I'm asking the questions:

Who heard the Lord say that?
Where did the Lord say that?

Who, what, when, where, why?

And why should I believe them?

I'm asking for a bit more information so that I can consider whether or not to believe it. I'm asking for credibility.

Otherwise I'm an idiot for believing some delusional person claiming the Lord said this or that.

Anyone can make any claim they want to make. I am asking why believe them?

For example:

"The Lord said that the Bible was written by story tellers and has no basis in truth."


The above is divinely inspired.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence :)"

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence :)"

THE LORD SAID THAT above statement is corny and very Cliche' and that it does not address the subject.

(The above MUST be true because, after all, THE LORD SAID IT.)