Topic: And the Lord said....
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Thu 11/03/11 02:19 PM

You make a good point, which is why a lot of people won't read it. It is not an easy read and their is many versions breaking it down for people who don't understand.



Nobody "understands" it. At least, nobody agrees on what they thing they understand.

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Thu 11/03/11 02:27 PM
When using the KJV you have to realize that this was translated to our speaking language with admixture of error which has happened quite a bit over the years..as long as people understand what is trying to be said (and of course by said i mean interpret what was written).

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Thu 11/03/11 02:29 PM
A lot of people do not agree on the interpretation. That is why we have different religions, of course their are many other reasons also.

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Thu 11/03/11 02:32 PM
I will not be able to explain every thing you can bring up because I can not translate the bible exactly how intended.

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Thu 11/03/11 03:10 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/03/11 03:11 PM
Eventually, because of these problems, people will stop putting so much weight to the Bible.

That is why I don't agree that the Bible is "God's word" and I get annoyed anytime anyone starts something with "The Bible says... or The Lord said.... blah blah blah.




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Thu 11/03/11 03:11 PM
Well yes slowly that is the case, however, the true christians will never stop, aka the jews.

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Thu 11/03/11 03:13 PM

Well yes slowly that is the case, however, the true christians will never stop, aka the jews.


What does that mean? (AKA the jews.)
Are you implying that "the jews" are the "true Christians?"

laugh

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Thu 11/03/11 03:35 PM
Yes, Christian Jews live their life by early christian influence. You see some christians going to church on Sunday (thanks to the catholics) instead of Saturday. Not taking the sabbath seriously. The diet of most american christians consists of things we are not to eat. Their is a bunch of things more than i care to list.

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Thu 11/03/11 03:39 PM

Yes, Christian Jews live their life by early christian influence. You see some christians going to church on Sunday (thanks to the catholics) instead of Saturday. Not taking the sabbath seriously. The diet of most american christians consists of things we are not to eat. Their is a bunch of things more than i care to list.



You are either a Christian or a Jew if "Jewish" is a religion.

If you are claiming that "Jewish" is a race, I have to disagree.


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Thu 11/03/11 03:50 PM
so you don't think their are jewish christians?

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Thu 11/03/11 03:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/03/11 03:51 PM

so you don't think their are jewish christians?


Nope. No such thing.

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Thu 11/03/11 03:53 PM
Actually, there is...Jewish Christian - In a historical context, are the early Christians, who belonged to the Jewish faith, but were drawn towards the teachings of Christ and the philosophy of Christianity.

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Thu 11/03/11 03:55 PM

Actually, there is...Jewish Christian - In a historical context, are the early Christians, who belonged to the Jewish faith, but were drawn towards the teachings of Christ and the philosophy of Christianity.


That would be a Jew who converted to Christianity.

You cannot be practicing both Judaism and Christianity.


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Thu 11/03/11 04:04 PM
It is a race in that membership in the system (even without belief!) is passed through a genetic connection - you cannot choose not to be Jewish if you are born in. However, because Judaism recognizes conversion, the religion cannot be purely racial (you cannot convert to another race). Therefore, it is easiest to say that it is a religion with racial/genetic components. I don't know a lot about judaism so lets not go there

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Thu 11/03/11 04:10 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/03/11 04:17 PM

It is a race in that membership in the system (even without belief!) is passed through a genetic connection - you cannot choose not to be Jewish if you are born in. However, because Judaism recognizes conversion, the religion cannot be purely racial (you cannot convert to another race). Therefore, it is easiest to say that it is a religion with racial/genetic components. I don't know a lot about judaism so lets not go there


I don't know a lot about Judaism either. But if you are serious about learning what it means to be "Jewish" by blood, you should read the book, "The Invention of the Jewish People."

A "race" involves skin color, not just genetics, even though skin color does involve genetics.

Jewish by blood are still of the Caucasian race. I realize that there is a faction of this bloodline that have tried to invent a "Jewish People" by claiming they are a "race" but that is just not true. Some are Caucasian. Some are of the brown skinned race and some are white skinned.. There are actually different bloodlines that claim to be "Jewish."

(There are people who have been Jewish all their lives (by religion) that would not be accepted as being Jewish by Israel.)




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Thu 11/03/11 04:16 PM
Yeah I am not really interested in jews, at all actually. I have what I feel a decent grasp or good enough grasp of other races and religions and people will always disagree, which is healthy by the way. I'm going to go watch my college team beat BC now, it was nice chatting with you Jeannie.

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Thu 11/03/11 04:38 PM
The "Jewish People" are just those who observe the religion of
Judaism. It has nothing to do with race. There are people of all races
who are Jewish. There are caucasian jews, asian jews, african american
jews, middle eastern jews, european jews, south american jews etc.

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Thu 11/03/11 04:57 PM

The "Jewish People" are just those who observe the religion of
Judaism. It has nothing to do with race. There are people of all races
who are Jewish. There are caucasian jews, asian jews, african american
jews, middle eastern jews, european jews, south american jews etc.



I agree with you.

They don't however.laugh laugh

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Thu 11/03/11 08:43 PM

The "Jewish People" are just those who observe the religion of
Judaism. It has nothing to do with race. There are people of all races
who are Jewish. There are caucasian jews, asian jews, african american
jews, middle eastern jews, european jews, south american jews etc.



In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race that had to be rounded up into ghettos and exterminated like vermin.

But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race

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Thu 11/03/11 09:35 PM
"But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race"

Hitler thought they were...

enough so that he attempted to eliminate them...