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If Obummer was a good person, Ron Paul would have retired instead of risking his health to become President, and make the needed changes for America to become prosperous again! You put alot of faith in Ron Paul,, to assume his running has (now or in the past) anything to do with how 'good a person' the incumbent was. He is consistent in his voting and a STRONG constitutionalist. How can you disagree with liberty and freedom? What he speaks, whether rhetorical or what, sounds closer to what I seek than the other "more of the same, Wall Street" candidates. Luv ya M.....always a pleasure! 
I have nothing against Ron Paul at all, I feel the same about OBama(he is closer to what I seek) likewise,,,a pleasure |
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 It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy? 
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war You mean it wasn't about WMD's??????
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war You mean it wasn't about WMD's??????
the world may never know..lol |
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Edited by
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war You mean it wasn't about WMD's??????
the world may never know..lol Most know M.... believe me....most know. Sad thing is, he and Cheney will never see the "defendant" side of the table..... nor will the rest of them.....Look at Ollie.... 
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war Ummmmmmm, we didn't go into Iraq or Kuwait because someone plannes to assasinate President Bush, hell it wasn't even that well publacized. |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war Ummmmmmm, we didn't go into Iraq or Kuwait because someone plannes to assasinate President Bush, hell it wasn't even that well publacized. ok. It didnt have to be publicized, Jr knew about it. |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war Ummmmmmm, we didn't go into Iraq or Kuwait because someone plannes to assasinate President Bush, hell it wasn't even that well publacized. Guess you slept thru that one, huh LP? Shrub said it all the time how ole saddy tried to kill daddy and he would get his! When he was elected....we're in Iraq! |
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I'm outta here kids! See ya! 
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Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! I don't understand what that has to do with anything that was written. I am just giving a point of view. Also since you mention law, what they would have in that situation is probable cause. There is no evidence but there is reason to believe that there is a crime being committed. Not that this matters as its a different country and the same rules don't apply. Where does the liberty and freedom you speak of end and begin? If someone says North Korea is building WMDs what are we allowed to do as far as you are concerned? Ask them? And if they say no? Do we wait until they fire off missiles to do anything? I am just curious what you think. |
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Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! I don't understand what that has to do with anything that was written. I am just giving a point of view. Also since you mention law, what they would have in that situation is probable cause. There is no evidence but there is reason to believe that there is a crime being committed. Not that this matters as its a different country and the same rules don't apply. Where does the liberty and freedom you speak of end and begin? If someone says North Korea is building WMDs what are we allowed to do as far as you are concerned? Ask them? And if they say no? Do we wait until they fire off missiles to do anything? I am just curious what you think. But what is the reason,,, because a criminal says so? That type of 'evidence' is shot down in courts all the time. THere needs to be more than one persons CLAIM. |
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i don't believe that... show one person that received a check... Because of Obama's new policies, I got a check for $3000.00 when my Veteran husband died. I didn't apply for it. It just came in the mail. Thank you Obama. not obama, widows have been getting those checks for years... they are talking about a personal check from obama, which there is 0 proof of this.... Bush did not get me the check, Obama did. I had been divorced from my husband for 10 years before he even died. I had supported him all the time while he waited for his military disability. Bush would have never sent me any money. It was Obama that got it done. Thanks Obama! I'm a disabled Viet Nam Vet who has been fighting for my disability for 40 years! I have petitioned 20+ times! I am still unable to work, not receiving ANY stipend (only medical), and was just again denied, even with my cancer and an Agent Orange and PTSD cert! They are waiting for me to die I guess......where's my check? O is NOT a good person! You had your funds OWED you, so it wasn't much of a reach to make it happen. Death benefits are much cheaper for them than disability! I grieve for a fallen brother in arms. I am sorry for your loss! 
My husband fought and fought and made a lot of noise to get his disability. They were waiting for him to die for sure, but he finally got it, then he died not too long after that. Its a shame how they treat our vets. A damn shame. |
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Edited by
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Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! I don't understand what that has to do with anything that was written. I am just giving a point of view. Also since you mention law, what they would have in that situation is probable cause. There is no evidence but there is reason to believe that there is a crime being committed. Not that this matters as its a different country and the same rules don't apply. Where does the liberty and freedom you speak of end and begin? If someone says North Korea is building WMDs what are we allowed to do as far as you are concerned? Ask them? And if they say no? Do we wait until they fire off missiles to do anything? I am just curious what you think. For years we have had "military Intelligence" (contradiction of terms there  ) and the CIA everywhere in the world. THAT was their job (like our troops), to protect our freedoms at the risk of their own lives. They provided good intel and we never had a major attack on our shores.
That changed years back! Starting around the time of "IKE", our nation began to prosper. There was an American Dream, it could be realized. We had freedoms, choices, and a Wall Street under control.... It wasn't enough for the bankers! Corruption in government thru lobbyists and poor choices in those elected, bills passed, like those making a corporation an "individual" and we let them get away with it. Now we are faced with a people who serve their gov't, rather than a gov't serving the people! They control the media, they write the laws, they secret themselves and their right to do so by fear and manipulation of the press, taking more and more power and liberties from the people. Intelligence is now "what they want it to be", "he said, she said", WE EVEN TORTURE NOW and think the intel we get is good, make "preempted 1st strike on assumptions" (PROVEN! BUSH/CHENEY!)....BS! WE ARE THE WORLD SUPER POWER! Do you think for one minute that if we weren't occupying foreign soil, promoted REAL freedom at home, that things wouldn't be better? If a stranger told you your neighbor (who you only know from the neighborhood) was secretly stalking your child with bad intent, would you run down and shoot your neighbor, destroy his family, and then get the facts to find it was ALL a lie, AND NOT EXPECT RETALLIATION FOR YOUR ACTS? THIS IS OUR NEW FOREIGN POLICY! PEACE BEGINS AT HOME! Fear did not make this country great, FREEDOM did! |
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Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! I don't understand what that has to do with anything that was written. I am just giving a point of view. Also since you mention law, what they would have in that situation is probable cause. There is no evidence but there is reason to believe that there is a crime being committed. Not that this matters as its a different country and the same rules don't apply. Where does the liberty and freedom you speak of end and begin? If someone says North Korea is building WMDs what are we allowed to do as far as you are concerned? Ask them? And if they say no? Do we wait until they fire off missiles to do anything? I am just curious what you think. For years we have had "military Intelligence" (contradiction of terms there ) and the CIA everywhere in the world. THAT was their job (like our troops), to protect our freedoms at the risk of their own lives. They provided good intel and we never had a major attack on our shores.
That changed years back! Starting around the time of "IKE", our nation began to prosper. There was an American Dream, it could be realized. We had freedoms, choices, and a Wall Street under control.... It wasn't enough for the bankers! Corruption in government thru lobbyists and poor choices in those elected, bills passed, like those making a corporation an "individual" and we let them get away with it. Now we are faced with a people who serve their gov't, rather than a gov't serving the people! They control the media, they write the laws, they secret themselves and their right to do so by fear and manipulation of the press, taking more and more power and liberties from the people. Intelligence is now "what they want it to be", "he said, she said", WE EVEN TORTURE NOW and think the intel we get is good, make "preempted 1st strike on assumptions" (PROVEN! BUSH/CHENEY!)....BS! WE ARE THE WORLD SUPER POWER! Do you think for one minute that if we weren't occupying foreign soil, promoted REAL freedom at home, that things wouldn't be better? If a stranger told you your neighbor (who you only know from the neighborhood) was secretly stalking your child with bad intent, would you run down and shoot your neighbor, destroy his family, and then get the facts to find it was ALL a lie, AND NOT EXPECT RETALLIATION FOR YOUR ACTS? THIS IS OUR NEW FOREIGN POLICY! PEACE BEGINS AT HOME! Fear did not make this country great, FREEDOM did! |
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Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! I don't understand what that has to do with anything that was written. I am just giving a point of view. Also since you mention law, what they would have in that situation is probable cause. There is no evidence but there is reason to believe that there is a crime being committed. Not that this matters as its a different country and the same rules don't apply. Where does the liberty and freedom you speak of end and begin? If someone says North Korea is building WMDs what are we allowed to do as far as you are concerned? Ask them? And if they say no? Do we wait until they fire off missiles to do anything? I am just curious what you think. For years we have had "military Intelligence" (contradiction of terms there ) and the CIA everywhere in the world. THAT was their job (like our troops), to protect our freedoms at the risk of their own lives. They provided good intel and we never had a major attack on our shores.
That changed years back! Starting around the time of "IKE", our nation began to prosper. There was an American Dream, it could be realized. We had freedoms, choices, and a Wall Street under control.... It wasn't enough for the bankers! Corruption in government thru lobbyists and poor choices in those elected, bills passed, like those making a corporation an "individual" and we let them get away with it. Now we are faced with a people who serve their gov't, rather than a gov't serving the people! They control the media, they write the laws, they secret themselves and their right to do so by fear and manipulation of the press, taking more and more power and liberties from the people. Intelligence is now "what they want it to be", "he said, she said", WE EVEN TORTURE NOW and think the intel we get is good, make "preempted 1st strike on assumptions" (PROVEN! BUSH/CHENEY!)....BS! WE ARE THE WORLD SUPER POWER! Do you think for one minute that if we weren't occupying foreign soil, promoted REAL freedom at home, that things wouldn't be better? If a stranger told you your neighbor (who you only know from the neighborhood) was secretly stalking your child with bad intent, would you run down and shoot your neighbor, destroy his family, and then get the facts to find it was ALL a lie, AND NOT EXPECT RETALLIATION FOR YOUR ACTS? THIS IS OUR NEW FOREIGN POLICY! PEACE BEGINS AT HOME! Fear did not make this country great, FREEDOM did! well said!!! 
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with all of his decisions as president. this seems reasonable and likely to exploited for news purposes - we have to ignore that aspect I think |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with all of his decisions as president. this seems reasonable and likely to exploited for news purposes - we have to ignore that aspect I think |
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