Thats different than lying though. I would say its hard to ignore someone that defected and was making such claims. Better to be safe then sorry right?

its not hard to research claims though,,

Because of Obama's new policies, I got a check for $3000.00 when my Veteran husband died. I didn't apply for it. It just came in the mail.

Thank you Obama.

not obama, widows have been getting those checks for years... they are talking about a personal check from obama, which there is 0 proof of this....

In a Huffington Post article, reporter Arthur Delaney writes: “How many times has PresidentObama intervened on someone’s behalf, and with what kind of problems does he help? Mortgage payments? Medical bills? And when he wants to help someone out with a personal check, how does it work? Does he send a check signed “Barack Obama” directly to the individual in need,or does he send the money to a bank or company on the person’s behalf? Do people even know when Obama has helped them out, or doesthe help arrive anonymously through a lawyer?”
The White House declined to answer any questions about the practice, Delaney reports.

http://www.eurweb.com/2011/10/book-claims-obama-writes-personal-checks-to-struggling-citizens/

research? So you are saying its not difficult to infiltrate the mans organization with a spy to find out where he might have this thing hidden? Wouldn't that take years to get a spy in, work up his level of trust, etc? I mean its not something you can just search online. Not to mention the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. You have some defector telling you its there how do you disprove it?

I would prefer a job to a handout, as was described in the OP.

no, RESEARCH, as in if there is any other collaberating evidece validating the claim or any that is invalidating the claim

Any defector , could otherwise, be upset about getting kicked out of an organization and go claiming it had some huge plot to attack us,, that would be very minimal evidence upon which to base an attack or invasion or even occupation


there was evidence and suggestion that this claim was false that was ignored and outright discouraged,,,

are we debating whether its admirable for one human to help someone else in need? wow, sad state of affairs,,,,

The relevance is no matter what he does to gear up for 2012, Obama is dead in the water and my mistake, should have read, the only liberal President with a lower approval rating was Carter in 1979. As for Truman, Nixon, and Bush we all know that story.

What's his deciding factor on who he picks to give checks to? What makes one person more important than the next? Why not just donate to charities and shelters and food pantries. I'd really feel like crap if I had wrote the president asking for help and found out he is giving checks and I didn't get one.

Different people are wired differently I guess. I dont EXPECT gifts from people, I actually appreciate them. So if they dont give me anything at all, it doesnt hurt my feelings,, regardless of who else they did give to.

I imagine he can decide with his money what situations he wishes to help with and which others he will have to put aside. Hopefully most who write him understand he is one man who cant help EVERYONE.

We play the lotto and expect only one winner,,,but somehow when people are giving their own pocket, we wish them to help EVERYONE. Help is help, people have to appreciate it where they can get it.

The ony president with a lower approval rating WHEN? Ronald Reagan actually had a bit lower approval at this point before the 1984 election and still won a second term.

Throughout the course of a presidential term we can pick and choose which time periods to compare 'approval' ratings, but IM not sure it much matters as much as what the approval rating is Immediately preceding elections.....which has yet to be seen.

There are a lot of different topics being comingled in this thread, but I would debate that point. (Separately from discussing Obama's character, from the likelyhood that he did this, from whether this convo is dominated by people who want to spin things in "pro-obama" or "anti-obama" ways. )

I do not think its admirable to "help people out when they are in need", most of the time. Most of the time, the 'helper' is just assuaging their own guilt and/or taking a strategic action to make themselves look good. Often, they are too damn lazy to investigate the real causes and best solutions for the 'helpees' problems, and they often function as enablers for whatever irresponsibility on the part of the helpee lead to their situations.

There are exceptions to the above, certainly. In my personal experience, though, those are rare.

I disagree. Most the time I help people it doesnt make me look good because I dont do it with an audience and I am usually the only one knowing I did it. People can feel empathy for others, which is quite a bit different than feeling 'guilt'. I understand the concept of walking a mile in someone elses shoes and people being imperfect and sometimes needing help. Thats why I try to help and why I believe most people try to help.

I dont have resources to go 'investigating' everyone that asks for help and I dont know that a President with the resources doesnt in fact do just that before they decide to help.

I also dont agree with the american dream mythos that those who need help are probably in that situation because they are somehow irreperably 'irresponsible'. Instead I understand that human beings sometimes fall down (Even the responsible ones) and need a hand.

what i don't get is the title... one more reason to admire obama... what are the first reasons?

completing harvard law magna cum laude,,,pretty admirable

Might be better to talk about ups and downs as apposed to steady decline and Harmony, it does matter. Yet to be seen will be seen. America is NOT deaf, dumb and blind. Your guy is out.

there hasnt been steady decline, there have ups and downs in every presidency including this

and I Agree, its yet to be seen what will happen in 2012.