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I simply said that those who give to others don't need to prove it to me. So any child molester who gives to charity is a good person in your book? NOT mine! Giving to someone doesn't make you good! As many would say.... "you can't buy your way into Heaven!" Again, I simply said that someone who donates to those in need don't need to prove it to me. I didn't say that it automatically makes them wonderful people. Please pay attention to what I actually said, not what you assume I think. The OP is about Obummer "giving money" to people who write, and claims it is a plus..... There is however, no PROOF anyone has receive any money..... only a letter, or note. Even if he had given any $$$, it does not mean he is a good person! Read the post, Review the facts, I'm sure you will agree. 
It's DEFINATELY NOT a personal affront, just stating fact, that because you "donate" to someone in need DOES NOT mean you are a good person. |
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person.
Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. |
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Edited by
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Sat 10/22/11 08:52 PM
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i don't believe that... show one person that received a check... Because of Obama's new policies, I got a check for $3000.00 when my Veteran husband died. I didn't apply for it. It just came in the mail. Thank you Obama. not obama, widows have been getting those checks for years... they are talking about a personal check from obama, which there is 0 proof of this.... Bush did not get me the check, Obama did. I had been divorced from my husband for 10 years before he even died. I had supported him all the time while he waited for his military disability. Bush would have never sent me any money. It was Obama that got it done. Thanks Obama! As far as I'm concerned it was as good as coming out of his personal account because he is the one who made it happen. |
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i don't believe that... show one person that received a check... Because of Obama's new policies, I got a check for $3000.00 when my Veteran husband died. I didn't apply for it. It just came in the mail. Thank you Obama. not obama, widows have been getting those checks for years... they are talking about a personal check from obama, which there is 0 proof of this.... Bush did not get me the check, Obama did. I had been divorced from my husband for 10 years before he even died. I had supported him all the time while he waited for his military disability. Bush would have never sent me any money. It was Obama that got it done. Thanks Obama! I'm a disabled Viet Nam Vet who has been fighting for my disability for 40 years! I have petitioned 20+ times! I am still unable to work, not receiving ANY stipend (only medical), and was just again denied, even with my cancer and an Agent Orange and PTSD cert! They are waiting for me to die I guess......where's my check? O is NOT a good person! You had your funds OWED you, so it wasn't much of a reach to make it happen. Death benefits are much cheaper for them than disability! I grieve for a fallen brother in arms. I am sorry for your loss! 
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I would prefer a job to a handout, as was described in the OP. are we debating whether its admirable for one human to help someone else in need? wow, sad state of affairs,,,, There are a lot of different topics being comingled in this thread, but I would debate that point. (Separately from discussing Obama's character, from the likelyhood that he did this, from whether this convo is dominated by people who want to spin things in "pro-obama" or "anti-obama" ways. ) I do not think its admirable to "help people out when they are in need", most of the time. Most of the time, the 'helper' is just assuaging their own guilt and/or taking a strategic action to make themselves look good. Often, they are too damn lazy to investigate the real causes and best solutions for the 'helpees' problems, and they often function as enablers for whatever irresponsibility on the part of the helpee lead to their situations. There are exceptions to the above, certainly. In my personal experience, though, those are rare. I disagree. Most the time I help people Oh, I know that people like you exist. I also know that we are a very small slice of the population. ....
Thats why I try to help I believe you. and why I believe most people try to help.
I think that's naive. I dont have resources to go 'investigating' everyone that asks for help At some point in my life I started the practice of cross-examining the random strangers who would walk up to me and ask for help. Well over 90% of them turned out to be liars and con artists. Most of the time, its the people who aren't asking for help who are honest people suffering some misfortune. and I dont know that a President with the resources doesnt in fact do just that before they decide to help. I was responding to your general comment - just to be clear, nothing I'm saying is intended to relate directly to the president. I think its unethical to hold the position that 'helping others is a good thing'. It is wrong to 'help' others indiscriminately. Only with care and discrimination can 'helping' be a net gain. I also dont agree with the american dream mythos You seem to be connected a smaller, more specific observation with a larger collection of beliefs. I don't necessarily believe in that overall mythos either. that those who need help are probably in that situation because they are somehow irreperably 'irresponsible'. Instead I understand that human beings sometimes fall down (Even the responsible ones) and need a hand.
Sometimes, sure. And the honest people who are willing to work, who fall, are sometimes to proud to ask for help. But the majority of chronic homeless would prefer being homeless over working full time. Where does 'irreparably' entire this thought process? The very fact that people could choose to be more responsible is exactly why its important not to be careless in how we help people. I think we spoke a while back about opening our doors to homeless people, and I think I recall you saying that you didn't make it a habit, as I have, of inviting homeless people to sleep at your place. Maybe you should start doing so. Have two people a week crash at your place, and after a year you'll have shared your place with 100 homeless people. Then see where you stand on how often people's 'plight' is determined by their own beliefs, values, and irresponsibility - versus being a responsible person who has 'fallen down'. |
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Many seem to assume he's lying because they don't like him. I agree. |
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If Obummer was a good person, Ron Paul would have retired instead of risking his health to become President, and make the needed changes for America to become prosperous again! |
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i don't believe that... show one person that received a check... Because of Obama's new policies, I got a check for $3000.00 when my Veteran husband died. I didn't apply for it. It just came in the mail. Thank you Obama. not obama, widows have been getting those checks for years... they are talking about a personal check from obama, which there is 0 proof of this.... Bush did not get me the check, Obama did. I had been divorced from my husband for 10 years before he even died. I had supported him all the time while he waited for his military disability. Bush would have never sent me any money. It was Obama that got it done. Thanks Obama! As far as I'm concerned it was as good as coming out of his personal account because he is the one who made it happen. haha...obama still had nothing to do with it, no matter what you believe... he(your ex) just never changed his beneficiary. good for you |
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person. Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. well, the whole thing is, if one of you people that believe this hogwash would happen to post someone that received a check from obama, then how could i refute it then? that would force me to believe it then... but no, sadly all yall do is spread more lies without any proof... even in the 3 different articles i have read on it, not one name has been mentioned that received a check from obarry... democrats lie, thats really all there is to it... democrats should be disbanded and kept from running for any political office.... |
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person. Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. well, the whole thing is, if one of you people that believe this hogwash would happen to post someone that received a check from obama, then how could i refute it then? that would force me to believe it then... but no, sadly all yall do is spread more lies without any proof... even in the 3 different articles i have read on it, not one name has been mentioned that received a check from obarry... democrats lie, thats really all there is to it... democrats should be disbanded and kept from running for any political office.... Dems are NO worse than Reps...... but both are bought and paid for. What we need is a "PEOPLES" party, that will actually listen, vote, and protect our rights! Ron Paul 2012! 
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy? 
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so why doesn't anyone post a person that received a check? BECAUSE IT IS A LIE! you people just believe anything some posts on the internet... Cheques and balance There are always critics on both sides.... Here is one to cheque out for all.... Obama wrote all US citizens a cheque.... Iraq is done and no more $20 million a day price tag... Money stays home for your citizens.... Libia is free and oil is now or soon coming home to you at better prices..... Bin Laden was taken down by a small unit of elite soldiers.....Not a full nations plus others military forces.... Obama had alot of work and systemic issues to correct.... He did so.... Debt reduction is on its way..... Economic growth is soon at your doorstep..... You raise the issue of a few cheques..... I in turn ask you to see the 300,000,000 cheques for not only freedom but economic freedom you deserve.... You forgot one, Obama's approval rating dropped nearly 6% in the past three quarters. Only one to beat it was Carter in 1979, he came in at 31%! 
not quite,, plenty have dropped that and more http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html but I dont get the relevance The relevance is no matter what he does to gear up for 2012, Obama is dead in the water and my mistake, should have read, the only liberal President with a lower approval rating was Carter in 1979. As for Truman, Nixon, and Bush we all know that story. The ony president with a lower approval rating WHEN? Ronald Reagan actually had a bit lower approval at this point before the 1984 election and still won a second term. Throughout the course of a presidential term we can pick and choose which time periods to compare 'approval' ratings, but IM not sure it much matters as much as what the approval rating is Immediately preceding elections.....which has yet to be seen. The difference is Reagan was an AWESOME President and Obama is crap. |
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person. Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. well, the whole thing is, if one of you people that believe this hogwash would happen to post someone that received a check from obama, then how could i refute it then? that would force me to believe it then... but no, sadly all yall do is spread more lies without any proof... even in the 3 different articles i have read on it, not one name has been mentioned that received a check from obarry... democrats lie, thats really all there is to it... democrats should be disbanded and kept from running for any political office.... Right. If someone posted "proof" you, Sojourning and Lpdon would argue until you're blue in the face that the "proof" was really a lie. 
It doesn't matter whether someone proves this or not. You're not going to believe it because you don't like him. Lying is not a democrat or republican thing. Anyone with common sense knows that. |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person. Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. well, the whole thing is, if one of you people that believe this hogwash would happen to post someone that received a check from obama, then how could i refute it then? that would force me to believe it then... but no, sadly all yall do is spread more lies without any proof... even in the 3 different articles i have read on it, not one name has been mentioned that received a check from obarry... democrats lie, thats really all there is to it... democrats should be disbanded and kept from running for any political office.... Right. If someone posted "proof" you, Sojourning and Lpdon would argue until you're blue in the face that the "proof" was really a lie.
It doesn't matter whether someone proves this or not. You're not going to believe it because you don't like him. Lying is not a democrat or republican thing. Anyone with common sense knows that. Your right about the "lying" thing..... party doesn't make you a liar..... so it must be Obummers character! |
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If Obummer was a good person, Ron Paul would have retired instead of risking his health to become President, and make the needed changes for America to become prosperous again! You put alot of faith in Ron Paul,, to assume his running has (now or in the past) anything to do with how 'good a person' the incumbent was. |
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so why doesn't anyone post a person that received a check? BECAUSE IT IS A LIE! you people just believe anything some posts on the internet... Cheques and balance There are always critics on both sides.... Here is one to cheque out for all.... Obama wrote all US citizens a cheque.... Iraq is done and no more $20 million a day price tag... Money stays home for your citizens.... Libia is free and oil is now or soon coming home to you at better prices..... Bin Laden was taken down by a small unit of elite soldiers.....Not a full nations plus others military forces.... Obama had alot of work and systemic issues to correct.... He did so.... Debt reduction is on its way..... Economic growth is soon at your doorstep..... You raise the issue of a few cheques..... I in turn ask you to see the 300,000,000 cheques for not only freedom but economic freedom you deserve.... You forgot one, Obama's approval rating dropped nearly 6% in the past three quarters. Only one to beat it was Carter in 1979, he came in at 31%!
not quite,, plenty have dropped that and more http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html but I dont get the relevance The relevance is no matter what he does to gear up for 2012, Obama is dead in the water and my mistake, should have read, the only liberal President with a lower approval rating was Carter in 1979. As for Truman, Nixon, and Bush we all know that story. The ony president with a lower approval rating WHEN? Ronald Reagan actually had a bit lower approval at this point before the 1984 election and still won a second term. Throughout the course of a presidential term we can pick and choose which time periods to compare 'approval' ratings, but IM not sure it much matters as much as what the approval rating is Immediately preceding elections.....which has yet to be seen. The difference is Reagan was an AWESOME President and Obama is crap. thats one persons opinion,, the difference in approval ratings though (The topic of what I was posting about) proves that they dont always indicate whether someone will be re elected,,, |
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No one is forcing you to believe he gave money or is a good person. Just like you cannot force others not to believe those things. well, the whole thing is, if one of you people that believe this hogwash would happen to post someone that received a check from obama, then how could i refute it then? that would force me to believe it then... but no, sadly all yall do is spread more lies without any proof... even in the 3 different articles i have read on it, not one name has been mentioned that received a check from obarry... democrats lie, thats really all there is to it... democrats should be disbanded and kept from running for any political office.... Right. If someone posted "proof" you, Sojourning and Lpdon would argue until you're blue in the face that the "proof" was really a lie.
It doesn't matter whether someone proves this or not. You're not going to believe it because you don't like him. Lying is not a democrat or republican thing. Anyone with common sense knows that. common sense aint so common,,, proven by the double standard whereby certain black and white text on a screen or website is more 'proof' than other,,,, |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Were at war with someone who tried to kill Obama's daddy?
WOW! Ole GHWB got around and even hit Africa in his travels, huh? I'm impressed! The boys do seem to think alike!
nope, but GHWB did get to Kuwait,,,and 14 men were convicted for the plot to assassinate him a fact George Jr pointed out several times while drumming up support for the war |
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If Obummer was a good person, Ron Paul would have retired instead of risking his health to become President, and make the needed changes for America to become prosperous again! You put alot of faith in Ron Paul,, to assume his running has (now or in the past) anything to do with how 'good a person' the incumbent was. He is consistent in his voting and a STRONG constitutionalist. How can you disagree with liberty and freedom? What he speaks, whether rhetorical or what, sounds closer to what I seek than the other "more of the same, Wall Street" candidates. Luv ya M.....always a pleasure!
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