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oh nonsense
we have seen the healthcare reform measures he ran on tax cuts extended war in iraq ended ,, and on and on ,, No, he has not come through on 100 percent of all those 'promises' but to make a claim that he has not completed even one is beyond preposterous |
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Obummer has yet to fulfill ONE "PROMISE" he made before his election! Dispite any fact that he may have a "problem" fulfilling them, he "PROMISED" he would make them happen! If I promise my child something, I had better be friggin able to fulfill it! He has used "executive orders" and Presidential Decrees to do MANY other things that have screwed we the people, why not to do as he promised?..... because he's a liar! What more proof is needed? I hope you would explain to your children that you cannot PROMISE what others will do, only what you will do. A president can PROMISE the outcome of very little as he is not a dictator and decisions arent exclusively his to create and execute, they can only promise to contribute their energy towards that end. He no doubt lies, I dont believe any human doesnt,,, but that is a bit different than merely not fulfilling 'campaign promises' that one man cannot promise in the first place. |
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Nope, I mean working in the Chicago community developing programs to help people learn job skills and prepare for college.
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Recall that Obummer didn't say "I will do my best.....", he said "I promise, and you can take that to the bank!" Even I know it takes a House and Senate to make things happen, he had to have known, therefore he lied to get what he wanted. He used his "powers" to make executive orders to screw us every other way, why not to fulfill his promises? Because he just didn't care after he got what he wanted, and that's the undeniable truth. He screwed us before that in Fanny Mae, then brought his crony Eric Holder in to screw us somemore and complete what they started. Not to mention all the other questionable items, true or not, like a Connecticut SS# when he has never lived in the state, the scandal of his birth cert, wanting to give the Federal reserve even MORE power to screw us even harder, and on and on..... There is no way a "good man" would be surrounded by so much controversey! Believe me, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin! All of these things would be a simple thing for a real "honest" person, not getting judges to stop actions for disclosure! |
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Recall that Obummer didn't say "I will do my best.....", he said "I promise, and you can take that to the bank!" Even I know it takes a House and Senate to make things happen, he had to have known, therefore he lied to get what he wanted. He used his "powers" to make executive orders to screw us every other way, why not to fulfill his promises? Because he just didn't care after he got what he wanted, and that's the undeniable truth. He screwed us before that in Fanny Mae, then brought his crony Eric Holder in to screw us somemore and complete what they started. Not to mention all the other questionable items, true or not, like a Connecticut SS# when he has never lived in the state, the scandal of his birth cert, wanting to give the Federal reserve even MORE power to screw us even harder, and on and on..... There is no way a "good man" would be surrounded by so much controversey! Believe me, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin! All of these things would be a simple thing for a real "honest" person, not getting judges to stop actions for disclosure! GOOD MEN are lied about all the time,,, look at the lies they told about Jesus , in the media age, noone is beyond speculation and controversy,, ESPECIALLY in politics,, |
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Nobody is lying about him, these are all facts! He is lying, which they say Jesus did not! |
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Face it, Obummer is NOT a good man, and should not be looked up to or admired. A good man would not have such things even remotely surrounding him. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 10/22/11 07:11 PM
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As the leader of MY country, I want someone who is above reproach! Obummer is the flip side of that coin in ALL ways!
Not perfect, just beyond reproach. |
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Face it, Obummer is NOT a good man, and should not be looked up to or admired. A good man would not have such things even remotely surrounding him. And that's your opinion. One which you are welcome to have, just as those who admire him are welcome to do so. I'm guessing that not everyone would agree with you on everyone you admire either. That's the good thing about this country. We're all free to have our own opinions. |
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It's the morals and principles of the man. Respect is something that is earned. I see nothing in him to respect by the same measure I would give ANY man. Lying, trying to cover it up, not fessing up, these are just not honorable traits, but don't get me wrong, I don't fault anyone for their beliefs, I would hope tho that their principles are similar in such situations towards fraudulent behavioral patterns. Free thinking is allowed by all, and I respect that, these are only my values. |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Thats different than lying though. I would say its hard to ignore someone that defected and was making such claims. Better to be safe then sorry right? its not hard to research claims though,, research? So you are saying its not difficult to infiltrate the mans organization with a spy to find out where he might have this thing hidden? Wouldn't that take years to get a spy in, work up his level of trust, etc? I mean its not something you can just search online. Not to mention the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. You have some defector telling you its there how do you disprove it? no, RESEARCH, as in if there is any other collaberating evidece validating the claim or any that is invalidating the claim Any defector , could otherwise, be upset about getting kicked out of an organization and go claiming it had some huge plot to attack us,, that would be very minimal evidence upon which to base an attack or invasion or even occupation there was evidence and suggestion that this claim was false that was ignored and outright discouraged,,, Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. |
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It definitely does show he has a kind and giving heart. Which is more than we can say for his adversaries that is for sure. He is a good man. Even if I don't agree with his decisions as president. like i said, show one person that received a check... just democratic propaganda.. The President is powerful and weak.... He can Veto a bill from congress and senate... He cannot impose laws. All Americans would have had universal free healthcare if that was the case.... I feel Obama is working smart.... Withdrawl of troops from Iraq.... The middle east is calming down.... Military personale from both countries are coming home... Bush never came clean when speaking of weapons of mass destruction.... It was't weapons(plural)..... It is WEAPON! And who was that weapon of mass destruction.... George Bush.... I like how people like to claim our government made up this lie when in fact it was a person who defected from Iraq and was currently being held in Europe that said he had them. But that doesn't sound as good as saying Bush lied right? there is no way to prove he 'lied' or not,, but there is enough suspicion about which 'intelligence' he chose to ignore and possibly outright discourage,, to get that war with the man who tried to kill his daddy,,, Thats different than lying though. I would say its hard to ignore someone that defected and was making such claims. Better to be safe then sorry right? its not hard to research claims though,, research? So you are saying its not difficult to infiltrate the mans organization with a spy to find out where he might have this thing hidden? Wouldn't that take years to get a spy in, work up his level of trust, etc? I mean its not something you can just search online. Not to mention the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. You have some defector telling you its there how do you disprove it? no, RESEARCH, as in if there is any other collaberating evidece validating the claim or any that is invalidating the claim Any defector , could otherwise, be upset about getting kicked out of an organization and go claiming it had some huge plot to attack us,, that would be very minimal evidence upon which to base an attack or invasion or even occupation there was evidence and suggestion that this claim was false that was ignored and outright discouraged,,, Again a lack of other evidence doesn't mean there was nothing there. Hence I said the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. We also ignored warnings that there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and look what happened. In the grand scheme of things which is worse. Going in thinking there are WMDs and there were none or not going in and there ends up being WMDs? I say the latter is a much worse outcome. It is easy to criticize now but not as easy before. Guilty till proven innocent? No thank you, I'll take my chances with freedom and liberty, with a belief in human rights! |
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oh nonsense we have seen the healthcare reform measures he ran on tax cuts extended war in iraq ended ,, and on and on ,, No, he has not come through on 100 percent of all those 'promises' but to make a claim that he has not completed even one is beyond preposterous Wait a minute Harmony, what Healthcare reform are you talking about? Are you talking about the health care bill that was pushed through before Repubs took control of congress? Are you talking about the healthcare bill this is unconstitutional? To call that piece of crap healthcare reform is a big stretch. Tax cuts extended? Why do you think the tax cuts were extended? You think Obama had anything to do with that? Does everyone realize that extension will conveniently end in 2012? War in Iraq ended? You're kidding right? Only for American solders and not until December. Al-qaeda continues to wage war, Iran sponsors it's own militias, there is only a stand off between the Kurds and Northern Iraq. Obama's withdrawal could very well cause all gains to be lost, not to mention jeopardize US alliance with Iraqi democracy. To date, Obama has not "come through" on anything including a Federal budget, there is still no Federal budget in place and the man has been in office for 34 months! 
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oh nonsense we have seen the healthcare reform measures he ran on tax cuts extended war in iraq ended ,, and on and on ,, No, he has not come through on 100 percent of all those 'promises' but to make a claim that he has not completed even one is beyond preposterous Wait a minute Harmony, what Healthcare reform are you talking about? Are you talking about the health care bill that was pushed through before Repubs took control of congress? Are you talking about the healthcare bill this is unconstitutional? To call that piece of crap healthcare reform is a big stretch. Tax cuts extended? Why do you think the tax cuts were extended? You think Obama had anything to do with that? Does everyone realize that extension will conveniently end in 2012? War in Iraq ended? You're kidding right? Only for American solders and not until December. Al-qaeda continues to wage war, Iran sponsors it's own militias, there is only a stand off between the Kurds and Northern Iraq. Obama's withdrawal could very well cause all gains to be lost, not to mention jeopardize US alliance with Iraqi democracy. To date, Obama has not "come through" on anything including a Federal budget, there is still no Federal budget in place and the man has been in office for 34 months!
I agree with all you say, except...... we need to bring ALL troops home, quit nation building, get out of the UN, protect our own borders and Homeland, and let the ME blow itself off the face of the earth if that's what they choose! We can use another landfill when there thru killing each other off! |
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It's the morals and principles of the man. Respect is something that is earned. I see nothing in him to respect by the same measure I would give ANY man. Lying, trying to cover it up, not fessing up, these are just not honorable traits, but don't get me wrong, I don't fault anyone for their beliefs, I would hope tho that their principles are similar in such situations towards fraudulent behavioral patterns. Free thinking is allowed by all, and I respect that, these are only my values. Many seem to assume he's lying because they don't like him. In this instance, no one who has donated to someone in need out of their own pocket needs to prove it to me. If they've donated, good for them. The President is no different. |
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It's the morals and principles of the man. Respect is something that is earned. I see nothing in him to respect by the same measure I would give ANY man. Lying, trying to cover it up, not fessing up, these are just not honorable traits, but don't get me wrong, I don't fault anyone for their beliefs, I would hope tho that their principles are similar in such situations towards fraudulent behavioral patterns. Free thinking is allowed by all, and I respect that, these are only my values. Many seem to assume he's lying because they don't like him. In this instance, no one who has donated to someone in need out of their own pocket needs to prove it to me. If they've donated, good for them. The President is no different. Madoff gave to charity Enron gave to charity Need more? |
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I simply said that those who give to others don't need to prove it to me.
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I simply said that those who give to others don't need to prove it to me. So any child molester who gives to charity is a good person in your book? NOT mine! Giving to someone doesn't make you good! As many would say.... "you can't buy your way into Heaven!" |
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oh nonsense we have seen the healthcare reform measures he ran on tax cuts extended war in iraq ended ,, and on and on ,, No, he has not come through on 100 percent of all those 'promises' but to make a claim that he has not completed even one is beyond preposterous Wait a minute Harmony, what Healthcare reform are you talking about? Are you talking about the health care bill that was pushed through before Repubs took control of congress? Are you talking about the healthcare bill this is unconstitutional? To call that piece of crap healthcare reform is a big stretch. Tax cuts extended? Why do you think the tax cuts were extended? You think Obama had anything to do with that? Does everyone realize that extension will conveniently end in 2012? War in Iraq ended? You're kidding right? Only for American solders and not until December. Al-qaeda continues to wage war, Iran sponsors it's own militias, there is only a stand off between the Kurds and Northern Iraq. Obama's withdrawal could very well cause all gains to be lost, not to mention jeopardize US alliance with Iraqi democracy. To date, Obama has not "come through" on anything including a Federal budget, there is still no Federal budget in place and the man has been in office for 34 months!
I agree with all you say, except...... we need to bring ALL troops home, quit nation building, get out of the UN, protect our own borders and Homeland, and let the ME blow itself off the face of the earth if that's what they choose! We can use another landfill when there thru killing each other off! I absolutely agree with you, what I was taking issue with is Harmony's statement saying the war in Iraq is ended and giving Obama the credit. The war HAS NOT ended and Harmony knows that, or should anyway. When it comes to politics I think peeps should stick to the facts. But again let me say yes we do need to bring our troops home and once we have done that we need to spend that money on our homeland security, specifically our boarders. I have been saying this for years as I'm sure you have. 
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I simply said that those who give to others don't need to prove it to me. So any child molester who gives to charity is a good person in your book? NOT mine! Giving to someone doesn't make you good! As many would say.... "you can't buy your way into Heaven!" Again, I simply said that someone who donates to those in need don't need to prove it to me. I didn't say that it automatically makes them wonderful people. Please pay attention to what I actually said, not what you assume I think. |
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