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I am so happy for you Roberta !! That is a great story and I'm glad you shared it. The first part and who showed up on your porch!
No one should judge and the most important thing is where you are at now spiritually. One of these days I should start a thread about miracles where people share their miracle story. I know I've had my share! |
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I am so happy for you Roberta !! That is a great story and I'm glad you shared it. The first part and who showed up on your porch! No one should judge and the most important thing is where you are at now spiritually. One of these days I should start a thread about miracles where people share their miracle story. I know I've had my share! Thank you so much!  Im glad you liked the story.  A miracle thread would be wayyyyyyyy cool.  |
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 I am so happy for you Roberta !! That is a great story and I'm glad you shared it. The first part and who showed up on your porch! No one should judge and the most important thing is where you are at now spiritually. One of these days I should start a thread about miracles where people share their miracle story. I know I've had my share! Thank you so much! Im glad you liked the story. A miracle thread would be wayyyyyyyy cool. You are more than welcomed :) I will have to do the thread then within the next couple days , I'll message u when I do post it. have a good day! |
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Sounds cool!
 Take care babe.
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You too !
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You too !
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Mon 10/03/11 09:43 PM
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. |
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. |
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. No it's not ridiculous, the Bible itself even says God is love does it not? By that definition alone anything that is not love cannot be of God flat out. And many things in the Bible are NOT love. Therefore they cannot true of God. As for God fearing, love and fear really cannot coexist. The only reason anyone uses fear is to control people with it in so doing. Me thinks the real God would be above that. The fear is all from man, nothing divine. They use it to scare people into obedience, and it has quite obviously worked. It is not love to use fear tactics to attempt to get what you want from a person. You can say whatever you want to argue it, but it will never change that. Further, one should ask themselves, if a being has to use fear and the threat of something in order so that people may accept them, what does that say about them? If they were totally loving, why would they need the games? The love would be more than enough, the people would see this, and would love on their own. It doesn't work. |
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. No it's not ridiculous, the Bible itself even says God is love does it not? By that definition alone anything that is not love cannot be of God flat out. And many things in the Bible are NOT love. Therefore they cannot true of God. As for God fearing, love and fear really cannot coexist. The only reason anyone uses fear is to control people with it in so doing. Me thinks the real God would be above that. The fear is all from man, nothing divine. They use it to scare people into obedience, and it has quite obviously worked. It is not love to use fear tactics to attempt to get what you want from a person. You can say whatever you want to argue it, but it will never change that. Further, one should ask themselves, if a being has to use fear and the threat of something in order so that people may accept them, what does that say about them? If they were totally loving, why would they need the games? The love would be more than enough, the people would see this, and would love on their own. It doesn't work. [/quote) Needless to say I disagree with you but so many have disagreed before us. There is a reason why there are somany different religions. you have the free will that God gave you to do what you want. Arguing with you is a complete waste of time. God is love, God )also punishes. Have you ever heard your parent (or hear of a parent say.."This hurts me more than it hurts you" as they are punishing you? They love you and yet they can punish you for your own good. That could be one way to look at it if you choose to. |
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. No it's not ridiculous, the Bible itself even says God is love does it not? By that definition alone anything that is not love cannot be of God flat out. And many things in the Bible are NOT love. Therefore they cannot true of God. As for God fearing, love and fear really cannot coexist. The only reason anyone uses fear is to control people with it in so doing. Me thinks the real God would be above that. The fear is all from man, nothing divine. They use it to scare people into obedience, and it has quite obviously worked. It is not love to use fear tactics to attempt to get what you want from a person. You can say whatever you want to argue it, but it will never change that. Further, one should ask themselves, if a being has to use fear and the threat of something in order so that people may accept them, what does that say about them? If they were totally loving, why would they need the games? The love would be more than enough, the people would see this, and would love on their own. It doesn't work. [/quote) Needless to say I disagree with you but so many have disagreed before us. There is a reason why there are somany different religions. you have the free will that God gave you to do what you want. Arguing with you is a complete waste of time. God is love, God )also punishes. Have you ever heard your parent (or hear of a parent say.."This hurts me more than it hurts you" as they are punishing you? They love you and yet they can punish you for your own good. That could be one way to look at it if you choose to. Really the reason have so many religions is more because man has made it all so complicated. It doesn't have to be. God is everywhere, and loves us all no matter what. That is more or less it, all the rules and things saying God expects this that and the other thing is just man trying to be God. In reality, God requires nothing more than we exist. What we do with that existence is entirely up to us. As far as free will, in religions you really don't have it. Free will is not and never was "do as I say, or I will make sure you die". That simply does not work at all. That's no better than a rapist telling their victim that they have to let them do whatever they want, and if they resist they will be killed. But then follow it up by saying it's their choice. Does the person have a choice technically? Yes. Do they if they want to live? No. The two are really not that much different. True free will means an unlimited reign over the choices in our lives. That is to say, being allowed to make whatever we want to make of them, be it good, bad or somewhere in the middle. It means being allowed to make mistakes, being allowed to learn. You cannot have this if the options are again "obey or die". That then limits your free will, as you are not really free to choose it because of what is threatened if you don't obey. Again as with the rapist example, while technically you have a choice, logistically you do not if you want to live. It is in effect spiritual rape, with God being the rapist. Finally on punishment, that really doesn't work either and here's why. When you are punishing someone particularly as a parent, it is done for correction. For example if the child is acting up in a store, you may spank them as a means to get them to stop. It is a temporary response to one's misbehavior, so as to teach them how to properly act. The keywords here being temporary and teach. With God's form of punishment, it is neverending, or at the very least ends in complete death and nothingness. What exactly is the point of this? There's nothing being learned, there's no chance to fix any wrongs done as it never ends, it's just torture and murder seems to me. So you can't compare a parent's punishing of a child to that of this God because it is not the same. A friend of mine once likened it to your child touching a hot stove, and instead of correcting them and telling them not to touch it lest they burn themselves, you instead force their hand onto it for being bad. There's nothing gained in that, it's simply sadistic and sick. |
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Morning Song, Why is it that in Genisus 19:26: But Lots wife looked back, and she was a pillar of salt. What was the reasoning, or significance, for her to be turned into a pillar of salt, when she looked back? Just to see if she would obey? And why would he kill her, if she disobeyed him? Is that what God did, at that time? Wipe our entire nations, and kill people, if they sinned, or disobeyed him? Please explain. Thank you, Luv I will probably get flak from some for this, but as you are reading through the Bible, I would try and make sense of it all this way. When you see things such as this whole God turning one into a pillar of salt idea, ask yourself, is it loving? If it's not, than know it is not God. That's the best way to know whether something is true or not, as God is supposed to be love. If something doesn't meet the standards of it, than it's simply false. First person to give you flak! :) No offense but that is a ridiculous question you made, is it loving? God will punish. Haven't you ever heard the term "God Fearing" before? We can love Him but it may be smart to also FEAR him too. You can be assured God is capable of turning even you into salt,lol. No it's not ridiculous, the Bible itself even says God is love does it not? By that definition alone anything that is not love cannot be of God flat out. And many things in the Bible are NOT love. Therefore they cannot true of God. As for God fearing, love and fear really cannot coexist. The only reason anyone uses fear is to control people with it in so doing. Me thinks the real God would be above that. The fear is all from man, nothing divine. They use it to scare people into obedience, and it has quite obviously worked. It is not love to use fear tactics to attempt to get what you want from a person. You can say whatever you want to argue it, but it will never change that. Further, one should ask themselves, if a being has to use fear and the threat of something in order so that people may accept them, what does that say about them? If they were totally loving, why would they need the games? The love would be more than enough, the people would see this, and would love on their own. It doesn't work. Really the reason have so many religions is more because man has made it all so complicated. As far as free will, in religions you really don't have it. . With God's form of punishment, it is neverending, or at the very least ends in complete death and nothingness. What exactly is the point of this? There's nothing being learned, there's no chance to fix any wrongs done as it never ends, it's just torture and murder seems to me. end of quote 4 points cause I don't have much time otherwise 1) You have also made it complicated when it isn't THAT complicated! 2) We ALL have free will!! Why do you think this world of ours is so screwed up? 3) God's punishments are not always neverending. Did you hear about the 40 years in the desert? The flood? Plagues? etc.,etc. 4)Complete death and nothingness does not exist (kinda funny oxymoron). Lots of souls would welcome nothingness when they are suffering. Past a certain point there is no learning, no chance and it is torture! I'm done. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Tue 10/04/11 02:48 AM
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4 points cause I don't have much time otherwise 1) You have also made it complicated when it isn't THAT complicated! 2) We ALL have free will!! Why do you think this world of ours is so screwed up? 3) God's punishments are not always neverending. Did you hear about the 40 years in the desert? The flood? Plagues? etc.,etc. 4)Complete death and nothingness does not exist (kinda funny oxymoron). Lots of souls would welcome nothingness when they are suffering. Past a certain point there is no learning, no chance and it is torture! I'm done. 1. You're right it isn't. It is simple, God is love and loves us all unconditionally no matter what. We come from God, and will go back to God after this life is over. In between, we have the right to make of our lives anything we want while we're here. God does not make demands on us at all. He or should I say It does of course wish for us to have a good life, but it's not going to interfere with our free will to choose if we make other not so good choices. We cannot learn anything, if we are forced into a particular box with the threat of what happens if we don't comply. We can only learn through our own experiences, and as such God is not going to infringe on it in any way. I don't see anything complicated about an all loving God who simply wants the best for its' creation, and allows it to make of itself what it will. Religion is what complicates it by adding rule after rule, in effect putting words in God's mouth that were never spoke. So no, I'm not complicating things at all, rather simplifying. God is much bigger than ANY religion, be it Christianity or any others. Further, who we are told God is and who God ACTUALLY is could not be any further apart. 2. Yes we DO have free will, but that's exactly what those that run the religions would rather you not know! They rule by control, if people knew God was not this person who demands x,y and z of you and loves you no matter what you might do, that there was no hell or eternal death awaiting you if you did wrong, they wouldn't have any power anymore. People would be totally free, and free people do not make good slaves. They can't have us know the truth, if we did everything would fall like a house of cards. Thus, all this knowledge of who God is, and who we actually are by extension, is suppressed from us and lied about so that we may be obedient to them and not threaten their power structure. Besides all that, if all God wanted was said obedience, why make us with the capability to be how we are? What purpose would that serve? It makes no sense, and it makes even worse sense then that somehow WE would be to blame for acting how God made us. So given that, one of two things would be true here. Either God messed up and is as such not perfect because a perfect being cannot make a mistake by definition, or God made us just as we were intended free will, flaws and all. I prefer to go with the latter. 3. Even in those cases, the punishments were STILL sadistic and cruel, unless you wanna advocate the idea that a child can be beaten or attacked mercilessly for anything they might do, even to the point of physical death in some cases like in the case of the flood (which took the lives of many totally innocent babies I might add). In which case, you'd be no better than the God you are supporting, as that's how this God punishes. 4. Sorry this is just wrong. As I said, what is the point of eternal torture? If we would never ever do such things to our own kids why on earth would God? Short answer, it wouldn't. Part of life and living, is about learning, and NOTHING can be learned if there's never a chance to do it. It's really that simple. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 10/04/11 07:49 AM
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Kleisto...God wants a RELATIONSHIP WITH US...NOT
RELIGION with US!!! But WITHOUT Relationship FIRST, God ain't interested in Our obedience !!! NO!! Why??? Because ,Without accepting Christ FIRST, our obedience is just a bunch of DEAD WORKS to God. He just wants us to ACCEPT His Son when we are Ready. THAT's IT!!!! THEN THEN THEN ....an Obedient heart WILL FOLLOW on our part ...and Joyously(because of the new heart within us now, that comes as a resut of accepting Jesus Christ)!!! But AGAIN.... UNTIL THEN ,God ain't inteested in our dead Religious works!!! Period!!!! Our trying to EARN OUR WAY TO GOD, OUR TRYING TO BE GOOD, AND OUR TRYING TO BE SOOO OBEDIENT, DOESN'T WORK WITH GOD..... WITHOUT FIRST ACCEPTING HIS SON JESUS INTO OUR HEARTS FIRST!!! All that religious stuff does NOT pleases God, otherwise, at all!!! Accepting the Free Gift of Grace God offered us thru His Son Jesus , is only what pleases God....that's what God wants of us....BECASUE THEN, WE ARE BROUGHT BACK INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD !!!!! REMEMBER NOW....GOD WANTS RELATIONSHIP BACK WITH US!!! NOT RELIGION !!! GOD LONGS FOR THAT RELATIONSHIP BACK WITH HIS CREATION, KLEISTO!!! (btw...When you are anyone else is ready.... God will DRAW you...God will WOO you and PREPARE your heart first.....meaning.....GOD AIN'T GONNA BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD , DEMANDING THST YOU ACCEPT HIS SON OR ELSE !!! GOD ODES NOT WORK THAT WAY....RELIGION DOES THAT !!! GET IT NOW???). Have a Great Day now, Kleisto. ps......one more thing: Kleisto..God is a HOLY GOD....and BECAUSE He is a HOLY GOD,He just can't stsnd in the face of ANY of our sins....without us perishing or becoming destroyed in His Almighty Presence. Sin and Holiness just doen't mix!!! Again...God ain't trying to be a hardbutt..His very HOLY nature just won't allow Him to stand in the presence of ANY sin..without us being completely burned to a crisp and destroyed in His Very Presence !!! Are you getting this now?? THIS IS WHY GOD SENT US HIS SON JESUS TO BEAR OUR SINS FOR US.....TO TAKE OUR PLACE....SO WE COULD ONCE MORE....BE ABLE TO COME BACK INTO GOD'S HOLY PRESENCE NOW ..AND BE BROUGHT BACK INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ONCE MORE..AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING!!!!! GETTING THIS NOW? By Accepting Jesus, OUR SINS ARE COVERED by the BLOOD OF JESUS .....THUS, ALLOWING US TO COME BACK INTO GOD'SRESENCE ONCE MORE!! God just sees the blood...and not our sins anymore......because our sins are now covered forever and ever and ever...cause they all have been PAID FOR IN FULLl...by what JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US ALL!!! All WE have to do now ,is ACCEPT THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE GOD OFFERS UNTO US ALL !!!. That's it.... And again........our just being religious , ain't gonna cut it with God....ever....without our FIRST Accepting Jesus !!!! God wants Relationship back with us....that is what God LONGS to have with all of us. God created us to reign and rule with Him...and share in His Glory. That was God's plan for us from the very Beginning !!! God wants that Relationship back with us!!! And that Relationship comes by Accepting His Son Jesus into our Hearts. So Simple. No works required...nothing else reguired. Amen??? Amen!!! Be Blessed Now, Kleisto. |
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Kleisto....I think this will help you
better understand some other questions you have about God. Be Blessed now ,Kleisto. http://carm.org/god-of-old-testament-a-monster |
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Edited by
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Kleisto....I think this will help you better understand some other questions you have about God. Be Blessed now ,Kleisto. http://carm.org/god-of-old-testament-a-monster I'm really not interested morningsong, I know what I believe and why, and I stand by it completely and wholeheartedly. |
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The enemy put a dagger in me today! I unknowingly deleted every picture from every one of my posts here on Mingle.  Hours of work....gone!  Maybe its stupid to some, but I am devastated!  Sorry  , your not getting me back, EVER!  
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The enemy put a dagger in me today! I unknowingly deleted every picture from every one of my posts here on Mingle. Hours of work....gone! Maybe its stupid to some, but I am devastated! Sorry , your not getting me back, EVER! :( :(
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The enemy put a dagger in me today! I unknowingly deleted every picture from every one of my posts here on Mingle. Hours of work....gone! Maybe its stupid to some, but I am devastated! Sorry , your not getting me back, EVER! :( :(
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