*** it-2 p. 1203 Word, The ***

This Word, or Lo′gos, was God’s only direct creation, the only-begotten son of God, and evidently the close associate of God to whom God was speaking when he said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26) Hence John continued, saying: “This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3.
Other scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence. There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6) The Word, God’s Son, was “the beginning of the creation by God,” otherwise described as “the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth.”—Re 3:14; Col 1:15, 16.

if you believe that The Word or Jesus was God's only direct creation...then that in itself proves that Jesus is not God but merely a creation ....

but either way Genesis states nothing about "The Word"...The Word if anything would be Faith ....if you have The Word you have faith...if you don't have The Word then you don't have faith

but once again the "Us" in Genesis was more than likely God talking to an angel especially since in Genesis 1:2 it states that the spirit of God hovered above the waters...an angel would be the spirit of God ....with wings it could hover above the waters

Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

another example of how Outer Space is referred to as being Heaven

Genesis 1:15
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

this passage let you know that God nor Jesus is the light

Genesis 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

in this passage it can be argue that the greater light and the lesser light were two God heads....but then again the passage states that God created those lights...which sort of knock out the theory of them being two other godheads that "always was"

Genesis 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

God invents the light bulb

Genesis 1:18
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

perhaps this is the passage when the faithful of The New Testament first confuse Jesus with being the Light...because the passage does states that the greater and lesser light rules over the day and night ...which points to the lights having some form of intelligence ..but since God created those lights it would still mean that Jesus was a creation not a God ....

but the lights being said as ruling the day and night would explain why some religions worshiped the stars or consellations as Gods

Genesis 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


well another day over with and still no signs of Jesus

This is interesting, i keep up with this thread.

When old King James was designing his master piece, the bible, he figured all the fire and brimstone in the first part of his creation might be a bit much so he threw Jesus in as the comic relief, the tenderizer of the harsh god of the first half.

Well, it could have happened

This verse is speaking of night and day. Cause even in the night, it's not completely pitch black outside, this would be the lesser light. And of course the greater light would be day light were everything is lit up.

And just wanted to mention this little bit as well.

In the first chapter of Genesis it is informing us of the generalised things God did eg., creating the earth, the water, separating the lands, ect. There was no need to mention Jesus as of yet and or in general "lord". It's not till chapter two it gets more into detail about these things God created and or how they came about.

Yahweh was pretty strict and never joked around he would let you know directly that he was God and didn't play all those parables games like Jesus did and he was a Jealous God and if you dare to have any other godheads you would get a thunderbolt up your apse ....

so yes Yahweh scared the people so his left hand man The Holy Spirit convinced him to change his personality to a more softer and gentle side with a fake Love approach and stop scaring the "be-jesus" out of everyone so he became the comic genius known as The Messiah

hey my people I'm Jesus...oops I meant I'm the Son...oops I meant I'm The Holy Spirit..now if I can only remember the time of Judgement Day I can be the Father and stop being only 2/3 of a God

Cowboy to say that there were no need to mention Jesus in Genesis is in actuality showing how insignificant you view Jesus to be....that God had two other Godheads would have been something worth mentioning

for example

In The Beginning Three God heads created The Heavens and The Earth

but anyway you already tried to claim that Jesus was mention in Genesis 1:26 "Let Us make Man in our image" ...you tired to claim that the "US" was God talking to Jesus until I pointed out that he could have been talking to the angels or even Satan

I didn't say there was no need to mention Jesus in Genesis. There just was no need to mention him specifically in the first chapter. When you tell someone how to make a sandwich, will you include details on making a caramel apple? No, the two bits of information have nothing to do with one another. The first chapter is explanation on the creation of the world and how it operates eg., day, night, ect. To mention to many things to fast would cause confusion, would get mumbled jumbled.

God is still just as strict and still doesn't joke around. In the old covenant laws we were under, to receive forgiveness we sacrificed something to show our sincerity in our apology and asking for forgiveness. Gave more meaning and again sincerity to the asking. The only reward for sin is death, this is the same now as it was then. The sacrificing of things was in the old covenant laws we WERE under. But nevertheless even today, the only reward for sin is death. So again, how is there a big difference between the old covenant and the new one that we are under now? Now we receive forgiveness by accepting Jesus and repenting from the sins we once did.

dude can you even post without contradicting yourself....or is the term "CON-TRA-TRINTIY-ING yourself

now do you see why I have to use
Cowboy 1
Cowboy 2
and Cowboy 3

it's as if three different Cowboys are posting and all of them are constantly Con-tra-trinity-ing each other

Yes, you can dig up old stuff I have learned from all you want. In the post you quoted I did not say that Jesus was not in the old testament. So please, if you're going to refer to something, don't quote one thing referring to another. What is in your comment is replying to the quoted post. So please don't get anything and everything confusing. Stick to what you quote when you respond to something. I admitted I was wrong to that a while ago, now can we move forward and quit beating a dead horse and or keep beating someone for a mistake they made but has learned from.

I never once said I know it all. This is a DISCUSSION forum, this isn't a debate forum or a place to "argue". I am willing to admit my faults and learn from them, are you?

Cowboy it doesn't matter if you did or didn't say it...all the thread ask is that if you wish to claim that Jesus is in Genesis to provide the passage or passages from Genesis that states this or clearly states the existence of three Godheads