He is not a Jew. He just claims to be. Read "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Kevin Alan Brook.


Spidercomb,

Can you prove without a shred of doubt that the Bible account of Abraham is true? Until you can, until anyone can, you have no credible facts about any Abrahamic religion or the "Jewish" people and where they actually came from. You have nothing but your 'faith' in false information.

Silverstein made big profits on 9-11. That's what it is all about. Follow the money.

There are tons of lies and propaganda all over the Internet and lots of forums where you can talk to people from lots of different countries.

People have spent their time and effort and sometimes their entire lives investigating things about what is going on and writing about it. There is a lot to read. There are a lot of conflicting ideas.

People don't always write books to "get rich." In fact, being an author or historian or writer is the just about poorest paid profession there is. Worse than being an artist. The claim that books are written to "make money" is ludicrous. Writing, researching is hard work.

When information does not make sense or does not add up add up you have to keep looking. If you don't, you have closed yourself off to the truth and you have closed your mind.

When people start getting insulting and start name calling instead of presenting real information they are just wasting my time.

Yes, I know, everyone thinks they are right. But they (you) usually do not actually have any better proof than the next guy, or any more credible authorities.

So lets start with the Bible. Where is the proof that Abraham or any of those people including Jesus even existed? If there was real proof, the Bible would be a history book instead dependent on "faith."

I have seen and heard so much crap and lies that I have become un-trusting of any so-called "authority" or "official story" of history or of the "news."

So since "Jewishness" and the state of Israel thrives on the idea that they are "God's chosen people" and with that, they have convinced the people of the world that they deserve to return to their homeland or the "promised land" I ask for proof and a complete investigation of the true lineage of the Jewish people.

I ask for indisputable proof of the existence of Abraham and all the characters having to do with that story including Jesus.

I believe the Bible is pure fiction and plagiarism. It has been discredited many times by many different people. Anyone who tries to insist that it is true history, I say bring forth your indisputable proof.

So in search for the truth of the tribal wars going on in this world today, I say to all Abraham religions, bring forth solid proof and stop puffing up about your "faith."

I am not asking anyone to prove or disprove the existence of a God. I want you to prove without any reasonable doubt that the information you base your beliefs on about Israel's right to have a so-called "Promised land" and the lineage of the Jewish people is true.

The only way to do that is to research without prejudice. First prove or disprove that Abraham, existed. Prove that Jesus, Mary, etc. actually existed.

I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

here are your facts:

building 7 was a controlled demolition because..

it looked like one

only had 1 small fire

Larry Silverstein said it was being pulled and he is a jew

the debris was removed



That is a pretty compelling case.

Now I see why you think it was planned ahead of time.

A controlled demolition has to be planed ahead of time.

Do you really want MORE facts? Why don't you spend some time and google it. Spend at least a few days sorting through all different "theories" and sites. Do some investigating with your computer. See what you come up with. ON ALL SIDES, NOT JUST ONE YOU LIKE.

Yes I believe the building was pulled on purpose and by Larry Silverstein.

That is pretty obviously an Insurance fraud. (Not to mention murder.)

The claim that a piece of the twin tower hit the building and then a fire started and then the building fell-- strait down perfectly-- is simply ludicrous.

This kind of failure of a building would have been investigated, not declared "classified" and then all evidence removed from the CRIME SCENE.

Yes it was a crime scene ... was it not?

A supposed "terrorist attack?" Why clear the debris? That is tampering with evidence.

I find the blind acceptance of these facts by the dumbed down public to be astonishingly unbelievable.

The number of people that showed up for work that day in the twin towers were almost half of what they are on a daily basis.

I guess they were the unlucky ones..

so much for being to work on time.

I have spent years looking at all the information and that includes all of the major conspiracy sites.

The theories I see are flimsy and circumstantial. They hold no water when looked at scientifically or logically.

There is nothing logical about concluding 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government or Israel.

There is nothing logical or scientific that leads me to believe that the 3 WTC buildings were destroyed by high explosive.

There is no evidence to refute the video footage of 2 planes hitting 2 buildings and eventually starting to collapse above the exact spots the planes hit. There is plenty of scientific evidence and video evidence of the load above the damaged sections causing forces that were too much for the damaged columns to hold. Resulting in a progressive collapse.

Buildings of that era were designed without the use of computer software like AUTO-CAD. Buildings of that era were designed specifically to withstand static loads. A failure of the support structure in a localized area could be overcome, but a failure in the support structure over a large area could not withstand the lateral loads which were being forced down on it.

It is simple engineering physics.

You can say that but no one can answer the questions I asked or can explain them.

They are just ignored.

If the questions are not answered in a convincing way and proof offered. Indisputable proof, then there will always be doubt and questions. Always. until the whole truth is known.

Name one other building of any kind that has totally collapsed in that manner from anything but demolition. Name one. Provide proof.

Please link to proof that other buildings have fallen in this same manner... from anything. (other than demolition)

I am anxious to read your proof.

How many buildings have been struck by a plane weighing 270,000 lbs traveling at 400 plus MPH?

Newtons Second Law of Motion.. Force= Mass times acceleration


I want you to show me a video of a controlled demolition that initiated the collapse sequence from 3/4 of the way up the building.

Don't bother looking because none exist.

The collapse sequence is always initiated at the bottom of the structure because they use the lateral loads on the cut columns to fold the building onto itself.

Where have I read that before?

I'm talking about Building #7 for one thing.

Not hit by a plane.

Here is a PDF document about the destruction of the twin towers. I have not read it yet but I am posting it here for anyone interested in evaluating the report.

It is "Seattle 911 viability project. Before anyone starts chanting "propaganda" or "Anti-semitic" or Nasi, know that I don't know who these people are or what this report concludes.

The link to this report is offered here for anyone interested.

I'm not commenting on it.



http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf


Skipped down to the last few pages where there are a list of extremely interesting questions.

I thought I had some good questions.

Yes, how does it make sense that a building that wasn't even hit by anything, could collapse like that? It doesn't pass the smell test.

How could building 7 fall straight down for no damn reasone? It didnt fall this way or that way or crumble slowly and sag or lean it fell straight down into its own basement just like the two buildings that were struck by planes, in my mind only a rube buys into the "Official explanation of 911.

One almost has to abandon all reasone to except the offical version of 911.

I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist and I like to think I use logic and reasone when forming an opinion.

If you havnt seen this enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

Thats a load of BS the building were purposly built to withstand multiple impacts of a 707 the largest jet at the time of construction of the twin towers.


Did you seriously study this topic for years? I am not convinced at all you have.

Oh No! Not you too BS!!??

Did you not read the website I suggested:

http://www.debunking911.com/

It wasn't Silverstein and his dancing Israelis!? Hahahahahaaaaaa!



I mean I honestly didn't think even if you hated Israeli policy
and supported Hamas terrorist efforts to get free and open access
to whatever sea cargo they wanted that you would also fall for
the 911 conspiracy theories when there is overwhelming evidence
of Al-Qaida's role in that attack.



I wonder if Hamas could get any shipments at all which they wanted
by sea if they would try to get a shipment like this one:



An Israeli soldier holds a 120mm mortar shell seized from the Victoria cargo ship that was intercepted by Israel in the Mediterranean Sea on Tuesday, in the port of Ashdod, Israel, Wednesday, March 16, 2011. Israeli officials displayed thousands of bullets, mortar shells and anti-ship missiles on Wednesday that they seized from a cargo ship delivering the arms to Palestinian militants in Gaza. (Ariel Schalit, Associated Press)

http://realisraelblog.com/2011/03/16/arms-shipment-to-hamas-run-gaza-intercepted-by-israeli-navy-2/

You see that is the beauty of a free and open press in Israel.
It is harder to dupe them as they are not a tool of the government
and if they find out they are being lied to then they will work
very hard to uncover the deception.

Or maybe you think that because the photographer's name is Schalit
that he might be Jewish and be "part of the global world Jewish
conspiracy" which was popularized by Julius Streicher and Adolph
whats-his-name? (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was
also promoted in this other mingle2 science and technology topic
thread by your esteemed cohort Jeanniebean)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/304030?page=12



All these Jewish or Zionist or Israel conspiracy theories are a
tremendous load of Hogwarsh!!

They caught the perpetrators red-handed! On video! Flying the
planes into the buildings! Shouting Allahu Ahkbar!




Instead of dancing Israelis (false), there were dancing
Palestinians (true)!! Your dancing Israelis (and I had to
search for this) were 5 guys filming the attack after
hearing the US news reports that the WTC towers were being
targeted by Islamic extremist hijackers. There is no news footage
of dancing Israelis at 911 but there IS footage of the
Palestinians and Al-Qaida!

Here is some actual CNN footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_eN4YEEI0



There are no indications that Israelis were involved in September 11.

There IS video of the Al-Qaida attackers. They have all been
identified and linked directly to Osama Bin Laden's money and
organization.

Al-Qaida publicly boasted of being behind the attack at the time as
their greatest triumph!

This is why your anti-Semitic and anti-Israel conspiracy theories
are being ridiculed. They are farcical!



All credible scientific evidence, video and intelligence shows
that it was obviously an Al-Qaida plot!



Yet you go on with century old discredited Nazi propaganda,
some Jewish guy's insurance claim, non-existent dancing,
and totally false theories that the buildings were brought
down by explosives instead of the fuel-laden hijacked planes
videotaped slamming into the towers piloted by Al-Qaida
extremists!



I mean Come On now!

Did they actually fly a 707 into one of the buildings and do a post crash damage assessment? Or did they just estimate the force of a 707 hitting the building flying at approach speed?

Do you think that they would have estimated for a 707 flying at 400 plus MPH... 800 feet over Manhattan?


HAHA....

I cant even imagine they could fly the planes and find the target at 400 miles an hour. Come on they were barely able to fly a cesna.

What the original designers actually did was to check the load transfer ability of the building structure if a couple of columns were punched out. The heat from burning jet fuel was not considered in this model.

It should be obvious to all that facts mean nothing to some in the argument. Courses are now given to engineers about the failure mode analysis of 9/11. The mechanics are straightforward. The actual information is widely available and uncontested by those in the profession due to the complex nature of the failure. In other words, all the pieces of the puzzle fit together ... no explosives were used or required and everything failed as it would be expected to fail under the circumstances by math, physics, and material science.

Trolling is, however, commonplace on the internet.

Please don't feed the trolls.

Logic tells me that jet fuel is basicly Kerosene and doesnt get all that hot when burned in open air. It is vaporized when burned as jet fuel and mixed with air in a controled environment.

The buildings themselves were huge heat sinks being it would take sometime for the steal to heat up and weaken. When it did weaken it wouldnt be systamatic and total failure all at the exact same time.
I did not see any evidince that these buildings were infernos and no evidence at all to justify a total and systamatic collapse of all support beams and trusses all at the same time.

Its simply beyond my comprehension that people actualy buy into it.

From a nice thorough popular mechanics analysis:

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From the moment the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.

Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense.

Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842



FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7

Right.