Said this before...saying it again....


There is a BIG Difference

between

QUESTIONING God

versus

Asking God QUESTIONS.

Sometimes all that some people ever do is

question God....and question everything they hear....


and actually, there is nothing wrong with questioning everything

we hear..that is not the same as questioning God)....

HOWEVER....

Here is the thing:


GOD WAITS FOR US TO COME TO HIM AND ASK!!!!!!

Just Questioning God and everything brings ZERO results.



But ASKING GOD brings TOTAL RESULTS!!!




God waits for Us to ASK...

again ...

God cannot and will not go against His Word....

by going against man's free will.....by intruding into our

space...without US FIRST ASKING HIM!!


ASK..AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE......

Kleisto read again what you wrote, here it is,
If there's no interpretation why the hell are there so many people who argue what it says even in the religious sect? If it's so damn obvious, why doesn't everyone know it??

Answer for you- the peaple who argue about GODS WORD is the rebellious, because they dont want to except the truth, because the darkness in there life will be shown for what it is in the light,(THE LIGHT IS JESUS HE IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD)(NO NOT ENLIGHTENMENT)in simple terms they dont want to repent of wrong doing against GOD ALMIGHTY...

But God by his Grace and mercy gives us chance to repent,but he also gave us a free will so its our choice at the end of the day,and speaking of the end of the day -time will run out, the second we close our eyes to go into eternity,then we are on our own,(some peaple on this earth didnt wake up this morning)i dont think there will be arguements then, or rebellion, because we will meet our maker.there will be repentance,fear,sorrow,regret,tears ect.

By the way christians dont argue about the word of GOD why would they,
another lie to descredit GODS word and his church.

And everyone CAN know GODS word,thats why he gave us his bible the written word of GOD,just so we can know who he is,what he wants us to know, he gave it to man to pen to paper)everyone CAN go to church to find out more,GOD gave us teachers,preachers,pastors,evangelists its if you want to,so there are no excuses.so there is no point saying what you have said,Like i said God doesnt listen to excuses when he has spoken to you.

He has shown his power with the earth and everything on it,he is our deliverer,healing restorer,the lover of our soul,he formed and knitted us together in the womb,he breathed into us and gave us life.
You can never come against GOD and get away with it.

HE IS A JUST GOD,A RIGHTEOUS GOD,A HOLY GOD.
He has a plan and purpose for your life
plans to prosper you and not to harm you
to give you a future and a hope
there is no hope without GOD.
NONE!

many people argue, many others merely question

there is a slight difference, but one worth noting,,,

Just who IS God's church? Is it the Catholics? No maybe it's the Protestants. Wait, what about the Lutherans?

Do you see the problem here? They each claim to know the Bible, to have the right interpretation, but they can't all be right can they?

I don't question "God."

I question people and their dogma.

I question all information generated, gathered, interpreted and touched by man, (humans.)

I question and doubt all things that other people claim as "truth."

I question the Church, the pastor, the priest, the preacher.

I question the Bible thumpers knocking at my door.

I question science.

I question and doubt the news.

I don't listen to gossip.

My concept of God is not the same as yours.

I don't question that.

I don't question God.

It is what it is.

I am what I am.

i heard if you put some catholics,protestants and lutherans between 2 slices of kosher bread,of course add some tomatoes,bread and butter pickles and mustard it's really a mighty fine tasty sandwich

The actual church is the Body of Christ.....born again

believers....

not a building built with hands.




AND BTW..... THE BODY OF BELIEVERS ALLLLLLLL AGREE ....SIMPLY


BECAUSE WE ALL

HEAR AND RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF OUR SHEPHERD.


Jesus said,"My sheep HEAR my voice..and the voice of a stranger

they will NOT follow."


The actual "church" can be found all across the world....in every

nation today where the gospel is preached...where many souls are

coming to christ...

and within every denomination or nondenomination, you will also

find the true church..or body of believers.


But that does not mean that everyone who ATTENDS a

church building, or are members of a church building, are

automatically part of the body of christ.

So then what you are saying is that the term "Church" is a metaphoric term.

So if the church is the "body of Christ" and that is" born again believers," (spirit filled people) then the "return of Christ" must refer to the return of a state of "Christ Consciousness" in human beings.

It does not mean that some guy with a beard and long hair is coming down from heaven on a cloud and declaring : I'M BACK!

Here is what I think.

Jesus, the man, even if he existed 2000 years ago, is not coming back to the earth to get his people.

There will be no "second coming."

There will be no "rapture" or raising of the dead from their graves.

All my life I have heard poor misguided people proclaim that Jesus is coming back...."soon."

They have been saying that for several hundred years, maybe more.

It just ain't gonna happen the way Christians think it is. Revelation is a bunch of nonsense.

The return of Christ is just as the bible stated

Jeannie.

http://www.scripturemenu.com/BibleVerseList.html?topicid=47

The bible did not say His return is a return of a state

of "Christ Consciousness" in human beings.


Btw.... the new age movement refers to Christ as only a christ

consciousness......and quess what, they talk about Jesus

too...they also pray to jesus.....

but that is not the same Jesus , the bible tells us about.


Many false christs are being preached today.



This is why , when a person is born again, that person now

has been indwelt with the

holy spirit to always lead and guide him into all truth....

and to also help him to be able to recognize truth from error.


Btw.... although all born again christians are INDWELT with the

Holy Spirit,

God also wants all believers to be FILLED with His

Holy Spirit.

Morningsong I did not say that the Bible said that.
I am not a Christian preacher and I don't preach the Bible.

I am a person who thinks for myself.

You said the Church was the body of Christ. Right?
And you yourself said that YOU believe that the church(body of Christ) is made up of "born again Christians."

So that means. according to you, that the "born again Christians" are the "body of Christ."

You also said that these "born again" Christian are "spirit filled" or indwelt with the "holy spirit"

The "holy spirit" is also part of the trinity, which is God right?

So what you are saying is that these "born again" Christians are God.

Jeannie....the body of born again believers are OF

God..they are NOT God.


Jesus is the head, believers are the body....



Let's say that someone grafted an olive branch into an olive tree....


does that now make

the olive branch the olive tree itself...

or just a part of the olive tree ?

Well that just sounds very weird.

And its all metaphorical.

Quote from jeaniebean.....So what you are saying is that these "born again" Christians are God

Answer...Why keep twisting things when the truth has been stated to you?

Not one christian has ever claimed to be God. God is in us because of his HOLY SPIRIT indwelling within us,this is part of being born again read John 3:3 its very interesting to read and is spoken by JESUS our Lord himself, how you must be born again to see the Kingdom of heaven.God Bless

Elegance888

The truth? What truth? You will have to explain.

Twisting? Not at all. These are the things she says:

The Trinity = God
God, is ... The Father, the Son and the holy spirit.

She said that "born again Christians are the body of Christ." (the church)

She said that they are filled with the holy spirit.

So there are two aspects of what she defines as God. The body of Christ, (the son) and the Holy Spirit.

The son is said to Be God
The Holy spirit is said to be God
The father is said to be God.

So it is not twisting anything to say that she is saying that born again Christians are God because they are both the Son (body of Christ) and the Holy spirit. (Indwelling Spirit)

Now either this is simply metaphor or it is true.






Well that's debatable.

But to continue:

Either what she is saying is simply poetic metaphor, or it is truth. If she is saying it is true then they believe they are Christ or the Holy spirit which is God. (Not individually, but as a group.)

The problem with this kind of language is that it is repeated so often people just repeat it and they don't really know what it means.

So you or morningsong must explain what it means. Is it a metaphor or is it truth according to you?

If you say it is truth, then what you are saying is that You(if you are a born again Christian)-- are God.

You are the holy spirit, and the body of Christ.

If this is not what you are saying then what are you saying?

Jeannie....listen Precious....

just because the body of born again believers are OF God



DOES NOT MEAN

they ARE GOD.


Jesus is the HEAD, believers are the BODY.


Just like the

the olive branch ingrafted into an olive tree ,

does NOT now make

the olive branch the olive tree now !!!

The olive branch ingrafted in, is just PART of the olive tree .

That BRANCH does NOT become the OLIVE TREE......it becones PART

of the olIve tree.


Just like Jeannie's heart beating in her chest is not Jeannie...

but the heart is JUST A PART of who Jeannie is.

Well at first you said that the church WAS the body of Christ.

Now you change that to "OF" God.

Since God "created everything and everyone" then everything and everyone is "OF God."

Not just the "born again" believers.

I believe I am "of God" also.

You cannot say that I am not. You can't know that.

I believe that everyone is "of God."

Besides... being part of God, being of God.. is being God or letting God be you.

This is what I believe.

Anyway, I really am getting tired of all of these disagreements.
Everyone thinks they are righter, smarter, etc.

Frankly I feel like just withdrawing from all of this B.S..

So I will say goodbye for now.

Later maybe, I'm tired. Had a long day.

Did not get much sleep last night....

Jeannie.....the Church IS the body of

Christ.......

(the Church is made up of the body of believers ).

The Body of Believers are OF God.

the body of believers are NOT GOD HIMSELF .....

but are only a part OF God.....

just like the olive branch is part OF the

Olive tree.....but the branch is NOT the olive tree ITSELF.


Yes, we are all created by God.......but not all are born again

yet (where the holy spirit now indwells us)...but that does not

mean that we are any less special are any less loved by God...

we are ALl Special and ALL Loved by

God!!!

Get some rest now, Jeannie.

Hi Jeaniebean.

I understand the way you might be thinking, as when you become born again thats where the HOLY SPIRIT teaches you the truth of what you dont understand, we come to God by faith and trust what he says to us as being sinners and need salvation,we do understand this part before we get saved as GOD reveals this too our heart,and we do know this is the truth by the power of GOD when he calls,so we give our life back to him as we have all gone our own way in life and rejected GOD ALMIGHTY our FATHER in heaven.

Because GOD our Father gives his HOLY SPIRIT to us more of the truth is revealed to us,this is when we can understand the trinity,GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are one,GOD the FATHER is Spirit,GOD THE SON and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT come from the FATHER but are a person,JESUS IS OUR MEDIATOR between us and GOD,the HOLY SPIRIT is with in us,so when we pray we go through JESUS to father GOD,the HOLY SPIRIT within us is our helper,teacher,councilor,advicate,ect,he is the one who helps us to pray GODS will, thats why we get answered prayer but in GODS timing not ours,thats why we dont see results everytime,this is why peaple get healed,delivered,demons cast out ect because as a vessel for GOD he places that power within us because we are a part of him,he wants peaple saved,delivered,healed because he loves us ,and yes he loves you too,the only difference between me and you is i am saved,and GOD has a ongoing work going off within my heart,thats why its a journey with him,change does not happen over night as there is much work to be done in our life from our past.

As a christian GOD gives us love for others,thats why we can forgive as he has forgiven us much.

I really do hope this helps you to understand a bit more,as you come to know JESUS,FATHER GOD and his HOLY Spirit this is when the truth becomes real to you,and i do know in my heart you are being called to him,otherwise i wouldnt be wasting my time with explaining all this too you ,niether would morningsong.Know can come to GOD unless they are called.You are being prayed for to come to him and know his love,he will reveal himself to you because yes you do belong to him,you just need to reconise he is calling you home,we have all been prodicals and i know you know what i mean by this.

A lovely song for you to listen to is WHEN GOD RAN,sang by philips,criag and dean,have a listen,i know this song will let you know his love for you. GOD BLESS.