Im sure of it, sometimes we need examples of how 'not to act' as well as examples of how to act

I think we should question everything.

When I question the law of cause and effect I look for the cause of a situation.

I never blame a personal God.

To say that something is "God's will" is simply saying that this situation is what it is because of the law of cause and effect.

No one knows the pattern of causes as they reach all the way down into the quantum soup of reality.

That is where faith in the law comes in.

There is no need to personalize the law and call it "God."

The law is just the law. It is impersonal.


Everything is as it should be.

I think this is one of the biggest copouts about the Christian God. If anyone dares question His ways, you get an answer like that. It's quite a convenient way to absolve it from responsibility, and makes one hard to argue with.

It's not a cop-out, you just haven't read the Bible yet...


I could show you where the Bible gives instructions to test all thing for truth, to use your mind and reasoning ability and to NOT believe someone just because of the stature.


But I won't, you're much too happy believing the lies and spreading them too...

Peter_Pan69

Why would you assume that someone has not read the Bible? You really have no idea.

Atheists usually have read the Bible more times than most Christians.

So you really don't know. Just because someone does not agree with your interpretations you say "You haven't read the Bible."

Well that's typical isn't it? That's ANOTHER cop out. If you question the Bible and make points against it's validity, it's NEVER that maybe we are right, it's just that we don't know the Bible. Do you not see how this discourages debate? In your religion, you're never "right" until you agree with what you've been told. Testing for truth that is not.

True truth testing would mean throwing out all bias on what you THINK the truth is, and researching and investigating what it ACTUALLY is, even if that means what you were told was the truth wasn't at all. But this can't happen when the only "correct" answer is that the book is true. It's just another way to deflect criticism of it.

And yes for the record I HAVE read the Bible. I know what it says and it's because of that, that I don't believe in it as a source of all truth any longer. Maybe you can justify some of the things the God of the Bible is purported to have done, but I can't and won't. Some things are just flat wrong, no matter how much you try to make them right.

As for the last part, I could say much the same to you too, everything I say is going totally over your head.

Perhaps I do not have an idea if it's been read by others or not, but I do know that if it has been read, it hasn't been retained.

There is no "interpretation" needed, the verses are simple statements.


As for Atheists reading the Bible more than Christians?

I highly doubt that statement...

Like I said, you're much too happy believing the lies, so I'll leave you to sink or swim on your own...

If there's no interpretation why the hell are there so many people who argue what it says even in the religious sect? If it's so damn obvious, why doesn't everyone know it??

I'm perfectly fine thanks, but I appreciate you being so arrogant, no really.

"Don't hate me because I'm right, hate me because I'm an azzhole..."










p.s. all you had to do was search for the truth or ask, but somehow I knew you wouldn't do either...

Peter_Pan69

What makes you believe that YOU have the truth?

Well this will be just a short message, you will all, one day, which wont be long, (as the end times are coming upon us which is spoken of by JESUS in the word of GOD, in the book of matthew),will have your chance to question our creator God Almighty who created you, and gave his son JESUS to die(went beyond the pain of man and was unreconisable,suffered beyond measure) to pay the price for your sin and you rejected him as your saviour,slandered him ect, and you will have the chance also to call him a copout God too,God is a listener to every conversation he knows everything that has been spoken or written on this thread,)......so thankful to my God by his grace and his mercy i wont be one of them,now that i know about him, as he is a God to be feared,to mock him is disgraceful because of how he loves us, i love him but he first loved me.

We all put him on that cross because of our sin not just the peaple who were there on that day.if you had been there, you most certainly would have said the same as you have been saying on here just like the peaple that day, but JESUS still said just before he gave up his life (yes he GAVE UP HIS LIFE, WASNT TAKEN FROM HIM) Father forgive them for they know not what they do,peaple knealed,cryed and asked for forgiveness for what they have done and said,even one of the main soldier knealed and repented,so did the thief on the cross.


JESUS went to hell for us in our place, so we dont have to go there,he preached to the prisoners down there in the bowls of the earth,he took back the keys from satan himself, of death and hell,death and hell is what satan made it because of what he did to adam,and every one would have been subject to this.adam listened to him instead of his GOD,JESUS took back control of the keys of death and hell so the devil was defeated he lost what he stole.

JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD the victory was won he is now sat at the right hand of the Father in heaven on the edgeof his throne waiting for the Father to say go bring my children home...no dates.

GOD made this earth and all the beautiful things in it he loved us so much he wanted to bless his children.satan decieves peaple all the time he hates GODS creation

The Bible tells us in john 10-10 the devil is a lier,a thief and a murderer,but Jesus came to give us life in a abundance.

Satan lies and peaple take it in,he loves to stear GODS creation away from him, just one example evolution,GOD created this earth,he said and it was done,he spoke and it was so....not a big bang,he made man, and he made animals seperate, not apes who grew into stone age men, then into us,he is much too clever to do that he is a GOD of perfection who can do anything,he is the FIRST THE LAST AND THE OMEGA,HE IS THE BEGINGING AND THE END.

Any one can read books, there are millions written by man who think they are right, who think they have discovered something new, which is really from another man and he learned that from another man, and so on,gets to be a bit like chinese wispers really,but the problem is that head knowlege bring pride and what goes before a fall?

There is only one bible,yes different versions but all have the same scripture the word of GOD.this book is full of wisdom and power, not just head knowlege, but goes much deeper into the heart which brings change to your life,this is when things happen,things like being able to forgive,to love,to care,ect but mostly to know who our God is,why we are hear,what we mean to him,what we can do for him ect the bible is never ending you can always find things new in there no matter how long you have read it ,GOD teaches us through his word,his love,his ways,his care,his thoughts,he is just amazing.

What goes through the eyegate or through the eargate goes into the heart and the abundance of that is what comes out of the mouth,as a man thinks in his heart then so is he ...so its what goes into the hear is what changes us,mulds us, makes us what we are,at the end of the day its what we allow.

HOW GREAT A GOD WE HAVE.

My "truth" is my own.

However, the "truth" I'm alluding to is the actual written words in the Bible.

I make no claims of the "truth" of the Bible. I do make claims of what is actually written or not.


So, do you know where in the Bible it states to not question the "truth"?

Salvation belongs to our GOD

Who sits on the throne,

And Praise and Glory,

Wisdom and Strength,

Honour,Power and Glory be to our God,

for ever and ever and ever,

AMEN.

I believe the Bible even advises people to question everything.

Which I do.

If you don't know what the truth is you can't question it can you?

My truth is also my own.

seems to me if you don't know what the truth is you are questioning it. as an agnostic, i know no truth, question everything somebody claims to be truth.

I don't see how that is possible.

but then at what point do we determine any answer to our question to be the 'truth'?


,,,,questions , questions,,,

I'm lost here...

You expect me to not question what I'm unsure of?