Topic: Why do some people need religion?
Catmandoo_1's photo
Fri 04/15/11 12:58 AM






Why do some people need religion?

Why do people search for truth?




Because we are created by God it is in our DNA/Genetic make up to search for the truth.

Personally I dont need religion, as to me religion is mans made up truth and consists of rules and regulations. I am a child of God and I belong to him and follow his word from the Bible on how to live my life.



Ok that's fine, if it works for you then great. Here is the thing, whether you realize it or not, whether you even agree with it or not, by allowing a book that claims to be God's word though written by men, to dictate how you live your life, you are STILL using a religion. Because you're letting what other men have written to control your life instead of simply living it and being free.

I know you're not gonna believe this, but that is the truth.


Of course there are the conversations with God and the things he tells me and the healing he has done twice on me.


Not to mention, he healed me from smoking & drug taking one weekend, depression another day, my damaged vertebra last week, I hope you get to experience his love one day :smile:

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 01:02 AM






Why do some people need religion?

Why do people search for truth?




Because we are created by God it is in our DNA/Genetic make up to search for the truth.

Personally I dont need religion, as to me religion is mans made up truth and consists of rules and regulations. I am a child of God and I belong to him and follow his word from the Bible on how to live my life.



Ok that's fine, if it works for you then great. Here is the thing, whether you realize it or not, whether you even agree with it or not, by allowing a book that claims to be God's word though written by men, to dictate how you live your life, you are STILL using a religion. Because you're letting what other men have written to control your life instead of simply living it and being free.

I know you're not gonna believe this, but that is the truth.


Of course there are the conversations with God and the things he tells me and the healing he has done twice on me.


I won't doubt you talk to God, and can even heal you, though as far as the latter goes understand it is the faith in being healed that did it moreso than because of what you believe. You could be a believer in just about any religion, Christian or not, and if you had faith you could be healed you would be. Faith has immense power, regardless of what we may believe in or subscribe to.

The bottom line though is, you don't need anything to feel God or experience God when you can experience Him all over as He is everywhere and available to and for all. God needs no book or church or religion to speak for Him, He can and does do that quite capably on His own.

In fact, what religions do is LIMIT that which is unlimited. An unlimited being cannot be limited or tied down into one particular area. No one book or belief system can contain a God that is unlimited, for it would no longer be as such if something could.

Not to say there is not truth in all religious systems and texts, as I very much believe there is. BUT, it is a misconception to believe that any one system has it all right, or that any one book contains the entire truth, because none of them really do. There is truth in all, but not everything is true.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 01:05 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 04/15/11 01:06 AM







Why do some people need religion?

Why do people search for truth?




Because we are created by God it is in our DNA/Genetic make up to search for the truth.

Personally I dont need religion, as to me religion is mans made up truth and consists of rules and regulations. I am a child of God and I belong to him and follow his word from the Bible on how to live my life.



Ok that's fine, if it works for you then great. Here is the thing, whether you realize it or not, whether you even agree with it or not, by allowing a book that claims to be God's word though written by men, to dictate how you live your life, you are STILL using a religion. Because you're letting what other men have written to control your life instead of simply living it and being free.

I know you're not gonna believe this, but that is the truth.


Of course there are the conversations with God and the things he tells me and the healing he has done twice on me.


Not to mention, he healed me from smoking & drug taking one weekend, depression another day, my damaged vertebra last week, I hope you get to experience his love one day :smile:


Again though we ALL can, no matter what we believe if we are looking for it. It's the crux of why every religion tends to think their path to God is the only right one. Because God is present in ALL of them, if one is truly seeking to find Him. The problem arises in that we think that's the only place God is then, when God is everywhere to all at all times.

It matters not a thing what we believe, what books we accept as truth, what churches we go to, etc. None of that matters, you can find God outside of all of that, just as much as you can inside it. It's in the seeking that we find God, not where we seek.

I know that God loves me, now more than I ever did before, no matter what I do. Nothing can separate me from the love that is God, pure and unconditional, nor can anything separate anyone else. He loves us all equally without favor for one over another.

Catmandoo_1's photo
Fri 04/15/11 05:21 AM
I totally agree with what you say, not one system has it right & God is everywhere, which is why I call myself a follwer (as opposed to a Christian) and I have faith rather than I am religious, perhaps I should clarify what I was trying to say about the Bible,

Yes the Bible was written by men, but some of these men knew JC personally, and a lot of the books have been inspired by God, I do bleive when It was first put together by 'The Church' there is the possibility some of it COULD have been manipulated and left out. I also believe it shouldnt be taken literally as 2 people can be give the same scripture and it will mean completely different things depending on what is going on in their lives. I believe if you are given scripture then you seek further clarification from God as to what it means and what it relates to in your life which can come in many ways.

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 04/15/11 07:35 AM







Why do some people need religion?

Why do people search for truth?




Because we are created by God it is in our DNA/Genetic make up to search for the truth.

Personally I dont need religion, as to me religion is mans made up truth and consists of rules and regulations. I am a child of God and I belong to him and follow his word from the Bible on how to live my life.



Ok that's fine, if it works for you then great. Here is the thing, whether you realize it or not, whether you even agree with it or not, by allowing a book that claims to be God's word though written by men, to dictate how you live your life, you are STILL using a religion. Because you're letting what other men have written to control your life instead of simply living it and being free.

I know you're not gonna believe this, but that is the truth.


Of course there are the conversations with God and the things he tells me and the healing he has done twice on me.


Not to mention, he healed me from smoking & drug taking one weekend, depression another day, my damaged vertebra last week, I hope you get to experience his love one day :smile:


Just curious about how you feel about your "chosen" status. Do you think you are in someway more special or more deserving than other people?

What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

Do you think you have nothing to do with the transformations in you life? What role do you think you have played, if any, in all your healing processes?

Was that role due to inner strength forces or strictly from forces outside yourself?

Do you ever look around and wonder why you are so blessed when others are not? Do you ever fear a day when you wake up and your blessings have been denied for apparently no reason at all?


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Fri 04/15/11 08:01 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 04/15/11 08:02 AM








Why do some people need religion?

Why do people search for truth?




Because we are created by God it is in our DNA/Genetic make up to search for the truth.

Personally I dont need religion, as to me religion is mans made up truth and consists of rules and regulations. I am a child of God and I belong to him and follow his word from the Bible on how to live my life.



Ok that's fine, if it works for you then great. Here is the thing, whether you realize it or not, whether you even agree with it or not, by allowing a book that claims to be God's word though written by men, to dictate how you live your life, you are STILL using a religion. Because you're letting what other men have written to control your life instead of simply living it and being free.

I know you're not gonna believe this, but that is the truth.


Of course there are the conversations with God and the things he tells me and the healing he has done twice on me.


Not to mention, he healed me from smoking & drug taking one weekend, depression another day, my damaged vertebra last week, I hope you get to experience his love one day :smile:


Just curious about how you feel about your "chosen" status. Do you think you are in someway more special or more deserving than other people?

What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

Do you think you have nothing to do with the transformations in you life? What role do you think you have played, if any, in all your healing processes?

Was that role due to inner strength forces or strictly from forces outside yourself?

Do you ever look around and wonder why you are so blessed when others are not? Do you ever fear a day when you wake up and your blessings have been denied for apparently no reason at all?





Do you ever look around and wonder why you are so blessed when others are not? Do you ever fear a day when you wake up and your blessings have been denied for apparently no reason at all?


No one is ever denied when it comes to things as such. Yes people are denied certain things, for their requests are generally in vein. God offers healing of any sorts if one asks for it. God would never deny someone from being healed. Ask and ye shall receive.


What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?


Again this is nothing special in that exact tense. EVERYONE has this privilege. The lord offers to bare your cross(es) for you. God doesn't just do this for this person or that person, God offers this for all if they wish to accept it.

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Fri 04/15/11 09:41 AM


Just curious about how you feel about your "chosen" status. Do you think you are in someway more special or more deserving than other people?

No, we are all equal in Gods eyes

What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

No-one is denied the love of God, he gave us free will to make the choose whether to believe or not.

Do you think you have nothing to do with the transformations in you life? What role do you think you have played, if any, in all your healing processes?

I believed and trusted him

Was that role due to inner strength forces or strictly from forces outside yourself?

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Do you ever look around and wonder why you are so blessed when others are not?

I know why I am so blessed, anyone who opens their heart to Jesus and lets him in will be blessed the same way too.

Do you ever fear a day when you wake up and your blessings have been denied for apparently no reason at all?

I never fear that happening.


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Fri 04/15/11 09:51 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 04/15/11 09:52 AM
I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,

Catmandoo_1's photo
Fri 04/15/11 09:59 AM

I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 10:11 AM


I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 10:14 AM

What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

No-one is denied the love of God, he gave us free will to make the choose whether to believe or not.


Do you equate a lack of belief in the Bible as choosing not to believe? If so, why?

Catmandoo_1's photo
Fri 04/15/11 10:17 AM


What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

No-one is denied the love of God, he gave us free will to make the choose whether to believe or not.


Do you equate a lack of belief in the Bible as choosing not to believe? If so, why?


No I dont

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 04/15/11 10:48 AM
Edited by Abracadabra on Fri 04/15/11 10:49 AM



What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

No-one is denied the love of God, he gave us free will to make the choose whether to believe or not.


Do you equate a lack of belief in the Bible as choosing not to believe? If so, why?


No I dont


To Catmandoo_1,

Ok, can I ask you a further question in this regard.

Do you believe that if a person asks God to come into their lives God will indeed come into their life?

The reason I ask is because previously you has stated:


I know why I am so blessed, anyone who opens their heart to Jesus and lets him in will be blessed the same way too.


Here you were speaking in terms of Jesus. But that implies a belief in the biblical writings because that's the only place that Jesus is spoken of as having any relationship with God.

So as I asked above:

Do you believe that if a person asks God to come into their lives God will indeed come into their life?

Suppose they do not ask in the name of Jesus because they don't believe in the Bible?

This is where a truly fine line comes into play. flowerforyou

It's basically nonsensical to claim that a belief in the Bible is unimportant whilst simultaneously claiming that a belief in "Jesus" is important. They pretty much go hand-in-hand because Jesus is basically meaningless outside of the Biblical stories and claims made about him.

But if you're actually saying more abstractly that anyone who asks God to come into their life then God will do so, then you've opened God up to more than just people who believe in the Bible.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Because some people have no problem with God at all. But they have tons of problems with the Bible. bigsmile

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/15/11 10:58 AM



I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.




that is in line with what I am saying,, one also does not need sex to be physically satisfied/fulfilled, choosing celibacy is not rejecting intimacy

yet , the common philosophy of our modern times is that sex is a NECESSARY part of an adult relationship,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 11:27 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 04/15/11 11:28 AM




I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.




that is in line with what I am saying,, one also does not need sex to be physically satisfied/fulfilled, choosing celibacy is not rejecting intimacy

yet , the common philosophy of our modern times is that sex is a NECESSARY part of an adult relationship,,


Perhaps, but I would contend, there is more of a need for spirituality than religion. To be in tune with the forces of nature and in that way, the creator itself by extension. That in itself can help us a great deal in changing the world just by allowing ourselves to feel and experience that at a grassroots level.

We need that more than we need religion, but we feel we need religion because....for so long we have been raised with the idea that it is the only way to God. We cannot really fathom or understand a God that is outside of that paradigm, because of how intertwined religion and God has become. It's all we know anymore, and we tend to wanna cling to that. There's a comfort there, and to break out of that comfort zone is not an easy thing.


msharmony's photo
Fri 04/15/11 11:59 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 04/15/11 12:01 PM





I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.




that is in line with what I am saying,, one also does not need sex to be physically satisfied/fulfilled, choosing celibacy is not rejecting intimacy

yet , the common philosophy of our modern times is that sex is a NECESSARY part of an adult relationship,,


Perhaps, but I would contend, there is more of a need for spirituality than religion. To be in tune with the forces of nature and in that way, the creator itself by extension. That in itself can help us a great deal in changing the world just by allowing ourselves to feel and experience that at a grassroots level.

We need that more than we need religion, but we feel we need religion because....for so long we have been raised with the idea that it is the only way to God. We cannot really fathom or understand a God that is outside of that paradigm, because of how intertwined religion and God has become. It's all we know anymore, and we tend to wanna cling to that. There's a comfort there, and to break out of that comfort zone is not an easy thing.





it could also be said that we need our own inner joy and fulfillment without a need for communities or families,,,,

I agree, but the sheer number of people on the earth makes it inevitable for people to unite on common grounds and interests, whether they be spiritual or political or physical,,,

which gives us religion, political 'parties', and sexual 'preferences'


while I agree it is healthiest to start with ourself, I dont necessarily agree it is the healthiest thing to end there as well,,,

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Fri 04/15/11 12:19 PM
it could also be said that we need our own inner joy and fulfillment without a need for communities or families,,,,

I agree, but the sheer number of people on the earth makes it inevitable for people to unite on common grounds and interests, whether they be spiritual or political or physical,,,

which gives us religion, political 'parties', and sexual 'preferences'


while I agree it is healthiest to start with ourself, I dont necessarily agree it is the healthiest thing to end there as well,,,
Edited by msharmony on Fri 04/15/11 12:01 PM



The inner self is naturally joyful. I think what people seek is to be in harmony with the joyful inner self. That inner self is your connection to 'all that is' (God) and that is a joyful thing.

If you are joyful, you will attract into your experience the things that you desire. This is how the universal law of attraction works.








Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/15/11 12:24 PM






I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.




that is in line with what I am saying,, one also does not need sex to be physically satisfied/fulfilled, choosing celibacy is not rejecting intimacy

yet , the common philosophy of our modern times is that sex is a NECESSARY part of an adult relationship,,


Perhaps, but I would contend, there is more of a need for spirituality than religion. To be in tune with the forces of nature and in that way, the creator itself by extension. That in itself can help us a great deal in changing the world just by allowing ourselves to feel and experience that at a grassroots level.

We need that more than we need religion, but we feel we need religion because....for so long we have been raised with the idea that it is the only way to God. We cannot really fathom or understand a God that is outside of that paradigm, because of how intertwined religion and God has become. It's all we know anymore, and we tend to wanna cling to that. There's a comfort there, and to break out of that comfort zone is not an easy thing.





it could also be said that we need our own inner joy and fulfillment without a need for communities or families,,,,

I agree, but the sheer number of people on the earth makes it inevitable for people to unite on common grounds and interests, whether they be spiritual or political or physical,,,

which gives us religion, political 'parties', and sexual 'preferences'


while I agree it is healthiest to start with ourself, I dont necessarily agree it is the healthiest thing to end there as well,,,


Who says you can't have communities that are together and yet diverse? Just cause you believe some different things doesn't mean you have to be alone for it.

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/15/11 01:04 PM







I thought of another answer to the question: why do some people need religion?

first, I have to qualify my understanding of NEED to be either something that is necessary to achieve a specific goal or something necessary to continue living


My needs, of the latter type, are merely food, water, oxygen and rest


my needs, of the former type, are many , things like a regular income, a higher education, a vacation,,lol

these things are resources which are necessary to the extent of achieving the goal of better self sufficiency, better opportunities, and more peace of mind


similarly , religion is a resource which is available to achieve a goal of some sort, possibly satisfaction or community or fulfillment or sense of purpose, or sense of hope,, or any number of things


not to be taken blasphemously, but people NEED religion much like they NEED sex ,,,,they dont on any physically mandatory level, but it is still a vital part of what makes life or relationships fulfilling for some people,,,,,


Not to mention Id rather believe there is a reason to my existance and that when I die its only my body that dies and not my soul which will in fact live for eternity, rather than believe I am here by just a random event caused by 2 atoms knocking together and that existance that will only last for 80 odd years (if I am lucky.


I get that, but one does not need religion to be able to believe in God or something higher than them. Like me, I fully believe in God, but I don't go to church anymore, nor do I believe any one book or belief system has the entire truth. I believe God is totally separate from religion and does not need it to exist.

So just because one rejects religion, it does not mean one is rejecting God as some like to claim.




that is in line with what I am saying,, one also does not need sex to be physically satisfied/fulfilled, choosing celibacy is not rejecting intimacy

yet , the common philosophy of our modern times is that sex is a NECESSARY part of an adult relationship,,


Perhaps, but I would contend, there is more of a need for spirituality than religion. To be in tune with the forces of nature and in that way, the creator itself by extension. That in itself can help us a great deal in changing the world just by allowing ourselves to feel and experience that at a grassroots level.

We need that more than we need religion, but we feel we need religion because....for so long we have been raised with the idea that it is the only way to God. We cannot really fathom or understand a God that is outside of that paradigm, because of how intertwined religion and God has become. It's all we know anymore, and we tend to wanna cling to that. There's a comfort there, and to break out of that comfort zone is not an easy thing.





it could also be said that we need our own inner joy and fulfillment without a need for communities or families,,,,

I agree, but the sheer number of people on the earth makes it inevitable for people to unite on common grounds and interests, whether they be spiritual or political or physical,,,

which gives us religion, political 'parties', and sexual 'preferences'


while I agree it is healthiest to start with ourself, I dont necessarily agree it is the healthiest thing to end there as well,,,


Who says you can't have communities that are together and yet diverse? Just cause you believe some different things doesn't mean you have to be alone for it.



of course not, but it does mean that there will be others who believe as you do which will , in essence, form a community of 'believers',,,ie,,,religion

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Sun 04/17/11 12:26 AM




What do you think makes you the honored recipient of so many privileges that others are denied?

No-one is denied the love of God, he gave us free will to make the choose whether to believe or not.


Do you equate a lack of belief in the Bible as choosing not to believe? If so, why?


No I dont


To Catmandoo_1,

Ok, can I ask you a further question in this regard.

Do you believe that if a person asks God to come into their lives God will indeed come into their life?

The reason I ask is because previously you has stated:


I know why I am so blessed, anyone who opens their heart to Jesus and lets him in will be blessed the same way too.


Here you were speaking in terms of Jesus. But that implies a belief in the biblical writings because that's the only place that Jesus is spoken of as having any relationship with God.

So as I asked above:

Do you believe that if a person asks God to come into their lives God will indeed come into their life?

Suppose they do not ask in the name of Jesus because they don't believe in the Bible?

This is where a truly fine line comes into play. flowerforyou

It's basically nonsensical to claim that a belief in the Bible is unimportant whilst simultaneously claiming that a belief in "Jesus" is important. They pretty much go hand-in-hand because Jesus is basically meaningless outside of the Biblical stories and claims made about him.

But if you're actually saying more abstractly that anyone who asks God to come into their life then God will do so, then you've opened God up to more than just people who believe in the Bible.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Because some people have no problem with God at all. But they have tons of problems with the Bible. bigsmile



Bit confused by your question, but yes the simple answer is yes, anyone who seeks and asks for God to come into their life God ill come in. Its as simple as that, I know someone who I beleive never picks up a bible and has an amazing relationship with God.