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boredinaz06's photo
Wed 01/26/11 11:45 AM
An Arizona lawmaker has reintroduced a proposal that would require presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates in order to remain on the ballot in the state.

The "birther bill," which state Rep. Judy Burges failed to get through the Arizona legislature last year, has already attracted more than 30 co-sponsors in both chambers. The proposal comes out of a fringe movement that believes President Obama, whose father was from Kenya, did not meet the citizenship requirements to run in 2008.

Though his campaign provided a Certification of Live Birth showing he was born in Hawaii, skeptics have called for the president to release the long-form birth certificate -- one of several documents required under the Arizona proposal.

Under Burges' bill, presidential campaign committees would have to provide an affidavit stating a candidate's citizenship and age. The bill would require along with that "an original long-form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

It would also require a "sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America." Finally, it would require another sworn statement detailing the candidate's "places of residence" in the United States 14 years prior to filing.


The bill would prohibit Arizona's secretary of state from listing on the ballot any candidate who does not meet those requirements.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/arizona-lawmaker-revives-requiring-presidential-candidates-birth-certificate/#ixzz1CAkJD9Dg

willing2's photo
Wed 01/26/11 11:47 AM

An Arizona lawmaker has reintroduced a proposal that would require presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates in order to remain on the ballot in the state.

The "birther bill," which state Rep. Judy Burges failed to get through the Arizona legislature last year, has already attracted more than 30 co-sponsors in both chambers. The proposal comes out of a fringe movement that believes President Obama, whose father was from Kenya, did not meet the citizenship requirements to run in 2008.

Though his campaign provided a Certification of Live Birth showing he was born in Hawaii, skeptics have called for the president to release the long-form birth certificate -- one of several documents required under the Arizona proposal.

Under Burges' bill, presidential campaign committees would have to provide an affidavit stating a candidate's citizenship and age. The bill would require along with that "an original long-form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

It would also require a "sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America." Finally, it would require another sworn statement detailing the candidate's "places of residence" in the United States 14 years prior to filing.


The bill would prohibit Arizona's secretary of state from listing on the ballot any candidate who does not meet those requirements.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/arizona-lawmaker-revives-requiring-presidential-candidates-birth-certificate/#ixzz1CAkJD9Dg


Like H did.
A good fake costs a bit but, well worth it.:wink:

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/26/11 12:00 PM

An Arizona lawmaker has reintroduced a proposal that would require presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates in order to remain on the ballot in the state.

The "birther bill," which state Rep. Judy Burges failed to get through the Arizona legislature last year, has already attracted more than 30 co-sponsors in both chambers. The proposal comes out of a fringe movement that believes President Obama, whose father was from Kenya, did not meet the citizenship requirements to run in 2008.

Though his campaign provided a Certification of Live Birth showing he was born in Hawaii, skeptics have called for the president to release the long-form birth certificate -- one of several documents required under the Arizona proposal.

Under Burges' bill, presidential campaign committees would have to provide an affidavit stating a candidate's citizenship and age. The bill would require along with that "an original long-form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

It would also require a "sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America." Finally, it would require another sworn statement detailing the candidate's "places of residence" in the United States 14 years prior to filing.


The bill would prohibit Arizona's secretary of state from listing on the ballot any candidate who does not meet those requirements.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/arizona-lawmaker-revives-requiring-presidential-candidates-birth-certificate/#ixzz1CAkJD9Dg




lol, whatever floats their boat,,,

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Wed 01/26/11 01:57 PM


Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.

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Wed 01/26/11 02:19 PM



Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.


Eric Cantor doesn't think so. Nor do a lot of other high profile conservatives.

Maybe it's a case of his knowing that if extremists insist on making ***** of themselves, the smart money ALWAYS stays out of their way and lets them. It costs him nothing to NOT cave to their demands, which everyone knows would do no good anyway-- they'd just dream up more BS they can't prove. He has everything to gain my just doing what he's doing.

-Kerry O.

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Wed 01/26/11 02:22 PM




Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.


Eric Cantor doesn't think so. Nor do a lot of other high profile conservatives.

Maybe it's a case of his knowing that if extremists insist on making ***** of themselves, the smart money ALWAYS stays out of their way and lets them. It costs him nothing to NOT cave to their demands, which everyone knows would do no good anyway-- they'd just dream up more BS they can't prove. He has everything to gain my just doing what he's doing.

-Kerry O.


No he looks like flake who is hiding something, show it to prove to everybody he is legal to hold the office and people will shut up about it. This will be huge come election time.

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Wed 01/26/11 02:34 PM





Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.


Eric Cantor doesn't think so. Nor do a lot of other high profile conservatives.

Maybe it's a case of his knowing that if extremists insist on making ***** of themselves, the smart money ALWAYS stays out of their way and lets them. It costs him nothing to NOT cave to their demands, which everyone knows would do no good anyway-- they'd just dream up more BS they can't prove. He has everything to gain my just doing what he's doing.

-Kerry O.


No he looks like flake who is hiding something, show it to prove to everybody he is legal to hold the office and people will shut up about it. This will be huge come election time.


It wasn't last time. And the Birther movement has amply demonstrated that they are NOT reasonable people who will give up when proven wrong.

Don Quixote never gave up tilting at windmills, either.


-Kerry O.

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Wed 01/26/11 02:40 PM



Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.



is it not policy that we dont negotiate with terrorists, why would he start down that road and give the impression that he can be bullied into going above and beyond what is asked of anyone else? and who truly believes that ANYTHING he produces wont be questioned as illegitimate or a farce by those who are this obsessed over it,,,?


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Wed 01/26/11 02:42 PM




Obamas birth is a big deal to so many people so if in fact he actually was born in HI then I don't see why he doesn't release the birth certificate to shut everybody up. The way he is handling it makes him look like he is hiding something.



is it not policy that we dont negotiate with terrorists, why would he start down that road and give the impression that he can be bullied into going above and beyond what is asked of anyone else? and who truly believes that ANYTHING he produces wont be questioned as illegitimate or a farce by those who are this obsessed over it,,,?




show a precedent where others were asked for a secondary verification of their citizenship , let alone mandated, and the birthers may have a leg to stand on

as it stands, what he has shown is considered sufficient evidence of citizenship for the rest of us(its what I showed to get my passport and I can even forego showing SOCIAL SCURITY card AND PICTURE ID when I use a passport for any government purposes,,),

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Wed 01/26/11 06:45 PM



I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.

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Wed 01/26/11 07:55 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 01/26/11 07:57 PM




I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.


Im saying , he has fulfilled the request to show citizenship as required by the US GOVERNMENT(as in, the document provided serves as proof of citizenship for Government ID purposes). Any further requests are bullying that he is absolutely correct not to give in to. He has bigger issues to deal with.

Those who refuse to believe him OR the state officials over the department of health in Hawaii, OR the republicans who have reviewed the documents themself,, will continue to refuse to believe and will next be asking that he point them to the doctor who delivered him and provide his address. They are lunatics, he is president. They should deal with it,, change the law moving forward so that it applies to EVERY candidate and not just him and all is well.

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Fri 01/28/11 09:20 AM





I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.


Im saying , he has fulfilled the request to show citizenship as required by the US GOVERNMENT(as in, the document provided serves as proof of citizenship for Government ID purposes). Any further requests are bullying that he is absolutely correct not to give in to. He has bigger issues to deal with.

Those who refuse to believe him OR the state officials over the department of health in Hawaii, OR the republicans who have reviewed the documents themself,, will continue to refuse to believe and will next be asking that he point them to the doctor who delivered him and provide his address. They are lunatics, he is president. They should deal with it,, change the law moving forward so that it applies to EVERY candidate and not just him and all is well.


There are those who don't like him because he is a democrat and will not be happy but there has been so much hullabaloo over this I would like to see it for myself. Just because republicans say its so doesn't mean anything to me, they probably wanted democrats to side with them on an issue so they claim to have seen it or whatever. Up till now there really hasn't been a problem with people illegally holding the office but who is to say that may not happen? I thinks its a good idea to require birth records for this position.

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Fri 01/28/11 11:17 AM






I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.


Im saying , he has fulfilled the request to show citizenship as required by the US GOVERNMENT(as in, the document provided serves as proof of citizenship for Government ID purposes). Any further requests are bullying that he is absolutely correct not to give in to. He has bigger issues to deal with.

Those who refuse to believe him OR the state officials over the department of health in Hawaii, OR the republicans who have reviewed the documents themself,, will continue to refuse to believe and will next be asking that he point them to the doctor who delivered him and provide his address. They are lunatics, he is president. They should deal with it,, change the law moving forward so that it applies to EVERY candidate and not just him and all is well.


There are those who don't like him because he is a democrat and will not be happy but there has been so much hullabaloo over this I would like to see it for myself. Just because republicans say its so doesn't mean anything to me, they probably wanted democrats to side with them on an issue so they claim to have seen it or whatever. Up till now there really hasn't been a problem with people illegally holding the office but who is to say that may not happen? I thinks its a good idea to require birth records for this position.


he showed a birth record though, the issue is it wasnt the one SOME are willing to accept as proof

so, moving forward, if they insist on the long form which gives the Name of doctor(and may breach upon the doctors privacy), they should go through legal channels to make that the procedure,,,

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Fri 01/28/11 11:32 AM







I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.


Im saying , he has fulfilled the request to show citizenship as required by the US GOVERNMENT(as in, the document provided serves as proof of citizenship for Government ID purposes). Any further requests are bullying that he is absolutely correct not to give in to. He has bigger issues to deal with.

Those who refuse to believe him OR the state officials over the department of health in Hawaii, OR the republicans who have reviewed the documents themself,, will continue to refuse to believe and will next be asking that he point them to the doctor who delivered him and provide his address. They are lunatics, he is president. They should deal with it,, change the law moving forward so that it applies to EVERY candidate and not just him and all is well.


There are those who don't like him because he is a democrat and will not be happy but there has been so much hullabaloo over this I would like to see it for myself. Just because republicans say its so doesn't mean anything to me, they probably wanted democrats to side with them on an issue so they claim to have seen it or whatever. Up till now there really hasn't been a problem with people illegally holding the office but who is to say that may not happen? I thinks its a good idea to require birth records for this position.


he showed a birth record though, the issue is it wasnt the one SOME are willing to accept as proof

so, moving forward, if they insist on the long form which gives the Name of doctor(and may breach upon the doctors privacy), they should go through legal channels to make that the procedure,,,


That is what Arizona is doing by making this a state law.

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Fri 01/28/11 11:35 AM








I'm not saying he is or he isn't because truthfully I don't know the answer any better than anyone on this site, but what I am saying is that he could shut people up about it and make himself look a little better to the general public (as opposed to his faithful followers who believe everything he says) because it still appears that he is hiding something.


Im saying , he has fulfilled the request to show citizenship as required by the US GOVERNMENT(as in, the document provided serves as proof of citizenship for Government ID purposes). Any further requests are bullying that he is absolutely correct not to give in to. He has bigger issues to deal with.

Those who refuse to believe him OR the state officials over the department of health in Hawaii, OR the republicans who have reviewed the documents themself,, will continue to refuse to believe and will next be asking that he point them to the doctor who delivered him and provide his address. They are lunatics, he is president. They should deal with it,, change the law moving forward so that it applies to EVERY candidate and not just him and all is well.


There are those who don't like him because he is a democrat and will not be happy but there has been so much hullabaloo over this I would like to see it for myself. Just because republicans say its so doesn't mean anything to me, they probably wanted democrats to side with them on an issue so they claim to have seen it or whatever. Up till now there really hasn't been a problem with people illegally holding the office but who is to say that may not happen? I thinks its a good idea to require birth records for this position.


he showed a birth record though, the issue is it wasnt the one SOME are willing to accept as proof

so, moving forward, if they insist on the long form which gives the Name of doctor(and may breach upon the doctors privacy), they should go through legal channels to make that the procedure,,,


That is what Arizona is doing by making this a state law.



so will it be only applicable in the case of Arizona residents and officials?,,,

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Fri 01/28/11 11:53 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/28/11 11:56 AM
for those arguing he could have been born at a non hawaiian hospital,,, just some food for thought(basically would still make no difference)


Is a child born outside the US to American parents legally eligible to become President?
Most likely yes.

The US Constitution (Article II, Section 1, Subsection 4) says: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

The term "natural born citizen" is not used anywhere else in the Constitution, and it has never been the subject of any federal court ruling. Hence, its exact meaning could be subject to controversy.

While some have suggested that perhaps a "natural born citizen" must have been born on US territory (i.e., in keeping with the definition of a citizen given in the 14th Amendment) -- and news reports dealing with presidential eligibility almost invariably misstate the rule in this manner -- the majority opinion of legal experts seems to be that the term refers to anyone who has US citizenship from the moment of his or her birth -- i.e., someone who did not have to be "naturalized" because he/she was born "natural" (i.e., born a citizen).

The first Congress enacted a citizenship law which stated that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens". [Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.] This strongly suggests that the phrase was understood by the framers of the Constitution to refer to citizenship by birth.
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#borndual

Im doubting that the courts will uphold a change or directive that basically says that any american who happens to be visiting in another country when they give birth will cause their child to lose citizenship status or the opportunity for office

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Fri 01/28/11 12:25 PM
Obama was born here! I don't think there is any credible source saying otherwise! Why he ignores the request i think is becuase as a president you ignore ingnorance! The same reason Bush never aknowledged the conspiracy therioes on 9/11.

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Fri 01/28/11 01:57 PM
Maybe Obama will go for this idea...he should obtain his long form birth certificate ( :smile: ) and auction it off to the highest bidder on ebay...

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Fri 01/28/11 01:59 PM

Maybe Obama will go for this idea...he should obtain his long form birth certificate ( :smile: ) and auction it off to the highest bidder on ebay...



lol, brilliant,, I kind of think a capitalist profit based motive would be seen as favorable over just giving into bullies


imagine the hypocrisy of a president who would give into bullying over his citizenship but then turn around and have to tell terrorists he wont give into them over the life of an american,,,,,sigh

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Fri 01/28/11 02:05 PM

Obama was born here! I don't think there is any credible source saying otherwise! Why he ignores the request i think is becuase as a president you ignore ingnorance! The same reason Bush never aknowledged the conspiracy therioes on 9/11.


you know where obama was born? Why did he change his name and go to a muslim school in Indonesia? why doesn't he just show the birth certificate and be done with it, like all the other presidents before him? Squash it once and for all, that way it would shut people up...

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