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Topic: Do you think HC should be repealed?
AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 01/16/11 08:43 PM
Ok...

I would hope that some news story or pundits musings will not be used to justify...

Simple opinions please.

IF you think it should be repealed state your reason.

If you think it should be changed state what parts.

If you think it sould stay as it is state your reason.

I think it should be repealed.

Why? Because the problems it addresses within it expensive structure can be addressed and dealt with in a measured and far less expensive way. Provided our politicians are civil and have our best interest at heart. (if they are not I am perfectly willing to get rid of them each and every time they apply for the job).


Dragoness's photo
Sun 01/16/11 08:45 PM
It should stay and be expanded on.

Because Americans shouldn't go without healthcare.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 01/16/11 08:49 PM

It should stay and be expanded on.

Because Americans shouldn't go without healthcare.

I agree that Americans should not go without health care. However was it necessary to change the entire health care system to make this a reality?

no photo
Sun 01/16/11 08:54 PM

nope, just repealed w/all it's bribes, I mean earmarks

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 01/16/11 08:59 PM


nope, just repealed w/all it's bribes, I mean earmarks

Am I to assume then that your 'nope' is because of its provisions for special interest enrichment?

Lpdon's photo
Sun 01/16/11 09:16 PM
Hell yes it should be. We should NEVER be required to buy something if we dont want it.

It will be repealed some day, if not this term then in 2012 when we regain control of the Senate and hold the house.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 01/16/11 10:00 PM
untill they fix the pricing that all healthcare uses, it should be repealed
it will never work with the current pricing structure

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 01/16/11 10:11 PM
First and foremost HC as we know it now and will see it coming should be tossed out for a system similar to Germany.

That predisposes no illegal immigrants taking advantage of a system they don't pay into.

We don't need socialized medicine. We need clarity and transparency of billing. We also need to strip away the "For profit" from medicine. Pharmaceutical companies need stricter regulation as well.

Obama Care is a failure waiting to happen.

Chazster's photo
Sun 01/16/11 11:02 PM
Yes I think it should be repealed. For one I don't think it is the governments responsibility to supply healthcare. I think there are better ways around it if you want people to get HC.

For example why not make companies provide HC? Many already do anyway. Allow tax credits to be given to the money they spend on HC for their employees. Basically this would cover just about everything but small businesses. Hey its a start right? No cost to people and not much cost to companies since the government could take that money off of taxable income.

Now if they want to pass laws limiting the amount of profits medical companies and insurance can collect then that would also drive costs down.

damnitscloudy's photo
Sun 01/16/11 11:33 PM
I didn't hear much about it's impact on Mental Health services (something I use regularly for depression issues.) If it brings the price down for visits ($50 per visit plus medications!) than I'm all for it, but still not sure how it will impact my life personally.

Chazster's photo
Sun 01/16/11 11:49 PM

I didn't hear much about it's impact on Mental Health services (something I use regularly for depression issues.) If it brings the price down for visits ($50 per visit plus medications!) than I'm all for it, but still not sure how it will impact my life personally.


Does that mean if you recovered from depression to the point where you no longer needed to go to a doctor or recieve medication that you would change your political opinion? If that is the case its not really a good way to base an opinion. Your opinion should be the same even if your personal life changes.

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/17/11 12:25 AM
I dont think it should be repealed. I think medicare works better than the alternative and I think this will too. Insurance and healthcare need to be more affordable, the more people are INVESTING in it, the less excuse the providers have for the ridiculous prices and the bill also includes EDUCATIONAL incentives and assistance which I think will aid our children to be more compeititive.

damnitscloudy's photo
Mon 01/17/11 01:14 AM


I didn't hear much about it's impact on Mental Health services (something I use regularly for depression issues.) If it brings the price down for visits ($50 per visit plus medications!) than I'm all for it, but still not sure how it will impact my life personally.


Does that mean if you recovered from depression to the point where you no longer needed to go to a doctor or recieve medication that you would change your political opinion? If that is the case its not really a good way to base an opinion. Your opinion should be the same even if your personal life changes.


I consider it a life long battle. It runs in my family as well as environmental issues as a kid.

Chazster's photo
Mon 01/17/11 01:37 AM



I didn't hear much about it's impact on Mental Health services (something I use regularly for depression issues.) If it brings the price down for visits ($50 per visit plus medications!) than I'm all for it, but still not sure how it will impact my life personally.


Does that mean if you recovered from depression to the point where you no longer needed to go to a doctor or recieve medication that you would change your political opinion? If that is the case its not really a good way to base an opinion. Your opinion should be the same even if your personal life changes.


I consider it a life long battle. It runs in my family as well as environmental issues as a kid.


You are deflecting the question. I said if.

Kleisto's photo
Mon 01/17/11 02:24 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 01/17/11 02:27 AM

It should stay and be expanded on.

Because Americans shouldn't go without healthcare.


Here's the thing with this, and I say this with all due respect. You are assuming that this government actually gives a care about our health, when really they don't. If they really truly did, all the crap allowed into the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the food that we eat would never have been allowed to be there. These are the things that are causing a lot of the health problems we now have. Take those things away and suddenly the body can become much healthier in a more natural state, but they don't wish this.

That leads me into my second point with regards to this healthcare bill. It is not about health at all, but rather more control over it and how we are to take care of ourselves. It is a power grab more than anything else and will remove even more rights from us to be able to treat our problems as we choose to.

Why should people be forced to buy healthcare that they may not want, need or in some cases even afford? Is that freedom when you have no choice? Furthermore, if the government is deciding what kind of care you get and how much, you are effectively putting your life into their hands. In doing so, you give away your own right to take care of yourself how you want to.

This is the entire goal of the healthcare bill. It might seem good on the surface, but if you go deeper into it you will find that much like everything else in government, it isn't what it appears to be.

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/17/11 02:27 AM
can you point out which parts of the bill support this conclusion...

'what kind of care you get and how much, you are effectively putting your life into their hands, and giving away your own right to take care of yourself how you want to. '


I truly only saw regulations on health INSURANCE and assistance for educational goals

Seakolony's photo
Mon 01/17/11 04:36 AM
I think it should be changed instituting copays on an income based system to address the expense as insurance companies do now......and that it should not be required to have for an american if they so choose.......basically the healthy adult program should be instituted with and income based tier groups and healthy childrens expadned upon into higher tiered income levels to provide health insurance......I also don't believe that private insurance should be considered a luxury and taxed......I do not see health insurance as a luxury of any kind period......

Say a person has health insurance privately and spends 621.00 a month for the insurance......if they a spending a co-pay of 310.00 for the government healthcare didn't that just save them 311.00 a month times 12? Which comes to 3732.00 a year in healthcare costs......and still have to pay 30.00 a prescription for costs.....just think about how much that would save on the healthcare plan if copays were instituted.....and that 3732.00 could be placed in savings for college funds etc. Or pumped into the economy for good and services....or even saved towards retirments

Chazster's photo
Mon 01/17/11 05:18 AM
I say having anyone pay more for the same service just because they earn more is ridiculous. I am sorry sir but you make twice as much as this person so you must pay double for your house and food as well.

Like I said make the companies provide insurance like is already done. The employee pays a smaller amount and the government allows the company declare tax credits on the income they spend to pay for employee HC. This way the US citizens are not paying extra for it.

Seakolony's photo
Mon 01/17/11 05:48 AM

I say having anyone pay more for the same service just because they earn more is ridiculous. I am sorry sir but you make twice as much as this person so you must pay double for your house and food as well.

Like I said make the companies provide insurance like is already done. The employee pays a smaller amount and the government allows the company declare tax credits on the income they spend to pay for employee HC. This way the US citizens are not paying extra for it.

Healthy children is already done this way......I was just saying expanding upon what already is

Fanta46's photo
Mon 01/17/11 09:11 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 01/17/11 09:13 AM
NO!

It should be expanded on. It fell way short of doing all it could/should have. It should have included a Public Option and many of the new rules should have went into effect immediately. This would have taken away many of the increases the HC Insurance Industry slaps on those of us who do have Insurance and the HC Industry passes on to the tax-payer.

Thanks to the Party of No and their misinformation campaign on behalf of insurance lobbyist this plan was abbreviated and cut down to a minimum of what the country needed and Obama wanted.

However it is a good base to build on. It is not, and never was meant to be free, but if I have to pay, which I do anyway, why not provide HC to everyone. We end up paying for it anyway, it would be cheaper to pay for preventative care than the more expensive curative care we pay for now.

People in this country without insurance wait until the last minute to seek medical care. They can't afford to go for every ache they have. Some of which are the symptoms of a much worse disease.

Instead they put it off until they can't put it off any longer and then go to the only place they can, the ER.

ER visits are expensive and because they wait so long the illness has progressed beyond normal preventative treatment to curative. The most expensive care possible. I think 90% of the medical costs in this country are for curative medicine. Many are caught to late to cure and the tax-payers end up picking the tab.

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