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Abracadabra said:
Let's try to stick to religion and not be using the forums as a pulpit to PREACH to people what you think they might personally be in need of! Ok? Good idea. One would think this thread was started by Cowboy to preach the gospel. Here is a reminder of what the O.P. was asking: When do you become master of your own fate? I ask this question because I find it interesting that the meanist life, the poorest existence, is attributed to God's will, but as human beings become more affluent,as their living stadndard and style begain to ascend the material scale, God descends the scale of respondibility at a commensurate speed. The O.P. said they the poorest existence is attributed to "God's will." God's will, to me is simply the working of the law of causality. The law of cause and effect, or Karma. It also has to do with HOW we do indeed create our personal experiences and "reality" and how we are gifted with free will and how our fate is in our own hands. The problem is that no one can see the inner workings of this law, so things seem to look all out of whack and unfair. I have faith in a higher power. I don't know what that higher power is, but I believe that when I call on it and ask for help, I get the help I need. To a certain extent, we, the little self, are the master of our fate. The higher self has the ultimate say, but that self is also who we are. |
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Abracadabra said: Let's try to stick to religion and not be using the forums as a pulpit to PREACH to people what you think they might personally be in need of! Ok? Good idea. One would think this thread was started by Cowboy to preach the gospel. Here is a reminder of what the O.P. was asking: When do you become master of your own fate? I ask this question because I find it interesting that the meanist life, the poorest existence, is attributed to God's will, but as human beings become more affluent,as their living stadndard and style begain to ascend the material scale, God descends the scale of respondibility at a commensurate speed. The O.P. said they the poorest existence is attributed to "God's will." God's will, to me is simply the working of the law of causality. The law of cause and effect, or Karma. It also has to do with HOW we do indeed create our personal experiences and "reality" and how we are gifted with free will and how our fate is in our own hands. The problem is that no one can see the inner workings of this law, so things seem to look all out of whack and unfair. I have faith in a higher power. I don't know what that higher power is, but I believe that when I call on it and ask for help, I get the help I need. To a certain extent, we, the little self, are the master of our fate. The higher self has the ultimate say, but that self is also who we are. I certainly agree with your views here Jeannie. As far as the OP is concerned, I've never blamed the higher power for anything in my life. Other than maybe mosquito bites. I mean what were the creators thinking when they created mosquitoes? Clearly if I wanted to discuss perfectionism I could offer a few suggestions should the creators ever put out a suggestion box.  But I'm not sure if that's the same as complaining. I've always believed in the saying, "Where there's a will, there's a way". I truly believe in that. That's been my favorite saying since early childhood. And it's been tested! I've gone through some tough times when even I would question the validity of this wisdom. My mother set me straight early on. One day I was giving up on something and my mother said, "I thought you believed that where there's a will there's a way?" I replied, "Well there's an exception to every rule I guess". She corrected me and said, "I guess you just don't have enough will then". She's right. If I fail at something it's only because I gave up before I succeeded! My failure can only be because I did not have the will. Like Jeanniebean said, if we call upon the higher power it will indeed respond. Perhaps in its own time, and it its own way, but it will respond. And I agree that the higher power is either our very own self, or an entity that we can trust to care about us just as much as we care about ourselves. |
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Who are you to judge who is an idiot or not? I didn't call anyone an idiot. You're trying to make trouble where there is none. I was merely speaking about being rational. If on a planet of humans every culture has a religious tradition it would not be rational to dismiss all but one culture's religious stories. Especially when all religious stories contain questionable entities like wing-angels, or demonic demons, etc. Speaking of judging, who are YOU to judge the spiritual relationship that other people may or may not have with their creator? You keep speaking to me as though I need to do something to get in good with God. That's the epitome of arrogance on your part. I accept your claim to have a relationship with God. You should return the favor. You mentioned before that you'd like to keep these conversations civil, but you seldom discuss religion. Instead you continually make accusations that I need to do something in order to gain some special powers, such as having the world at my fingertips. Let's try to stick to religion and not be using the forums as a pulpit to PREACH to people what you think they might personally be in need of! Ok? Ok I'm sorry I correct myself. Not idiots, but buffoons. And I quote Why would God chose such buffoons? Who are you to judge who's a buffoon or not? |
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Cowboy states... No carrot, not trying to entice you to believe. I've offered nothing nor have I made any threats. I merely pass a message on from our god. And sure it happens. When you open your mind and eyes you'll find that it truly makes no difference weather you drive a junk car or a brand new hybrid. Objects mean nothing in this world. If you've got what you need to survive, you have everything you'll ever need. No need for big shiny objects. As soon as you see this, you'll see you have the world at the tips of your fingers. Not trying to entice me to believe?  You're truly funny Cowboy. What did you just say in the very quote above? "As soon as you see this, you'll see you have the world at the tips of your fingers." You sound like your preaching the Law of Attraction now.  Or maybe Buddhism. Perhaps you're confused about your religion? Where does Christianity promise people "The world at their fingertips?" Besides, why do you keep judging my relationship with God? That's a quite personal assumption to make about someone you know nothing about. What makes you think I don't already have the world at my fingertips? Especially if you're putting this in a context where it has nothing to do with material wealth. What would make you think that I don't already have the world at my fingertips in a spiritual sense? That's a HUGE assumption for you to make about someone you don't even know. Don't know what you find funny, wasn't joking. I'm not necessarily trying to "entice" anyone. We are here to discuss our different spiritual views, so I express mine just as the forums are for. |
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Who are you to judge who is an idiot or not? I didn't call anyone an idiot. You're trying to make trouble where there is none. I was merely speaking about being rational. If on a planet of humans every culture has a religious tradition it would not be rational to dismiss all but one culture's religious stories. Especially when all religious stories contain questionable entities like wing-angels, or demonic demons, etc. Speaking of judging, who are YOU to judge the spiritual relationship that other people may or may not have with their creator? You keep speaking to me as though I need to do something to get in good with God. That's the epitome of arrogance on your part. I accept your claim to have a relationship with God. You should return the favor. You mentioned before that you'd like to keep these conversations civil, but you seldom discuss religion. Instead you continually make accusations that I need to do something in order to gain some special powers, such as having the world at my fingertips. Let's try to stick to religion and not be using the forums as a pulpit to PREACH to people what you think they might personally be in need of! Ok? Ok I'm sorry I correct myself. Not idiots, but buffoons. And I quote Why would God chose such buffoons? Who are you to judge who's a buffoon or not? Oh, you're talking about the ancient Hebrews. I was going by their own stories. Their own stories depict them as being buffoons. Did you not read the story of Exodus? God sent them Moses to free them from the Egyptians and take them to the "promised land" and what did they do to show their gratitude? They totally ignored their God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig! I would call people who would do such a thing absolute buffoons. You're opinion may vary of course. But yes, from their very own stories of themselves I would have to conclude that the ancient Hebrews were indeed buffoons. Besides, according to their story they were also lost in the desert for 40 YEARS! That would require being a buffoon, IMHO. All they would need to do is use the stars or sun and always walk in the same direction, I'm sure they would have emerged from the desert far sooner than 40 years.  So yes, it's my opinion that the ancient Hebrews were indeed buffoons based on their own confessions in their own stories. They had to be seriously mentally handicapped to have done the things they claim to have done in their stories, IMHO. |
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Cowboy states... No carrot, not trying to entice you to believe. I've offered nothing nor have I made any threats. I merely pass a message on from our god. And sure it happens. When you open your mind and eyes you'll find that it truly makes no difference weather you drive a junk car or a brand new hybrid. Objects mean nothing in this world. If you've got what you need to survive, you have everything you'll ever need. No need for big shiny objects. As soon as you see this, you'll see you have the world at the tips of your fingers. Not trying to entice me to believe? You're truly funny Cowboy. What did you just say in the very quote above? "As soon as you see this, you'll see you have the world at the tips of your fingers." You sound like your preaching the Law of Attraction now. Or maybe Buddhism. Perhaps you're confused about your religion? Where does Christianity promise people "The world at their fingertips?" Besides, why do you keep judging my relationship with God? That's a quite personal assumption to make about someone you know nothing about. What makes you think I don't already have the world at my fingertips? Especially if you're putting this in a context where it has nothing to do with material wealth. What would make you think that I don't already have the world at my fingertips in a spiritual sense? That's a HUGE assumption for you to make about someone you don't even know. Don't know what you find funny, wasn't joking. I'm not necessarily trying to "entice" anyone. We are here to discuss our different spiritual views, so I express mine just as the forums are for. Well, you sure have a strange way of discussing different spiritual views. You said, "Objects mean nothing in this world. If you've got what you need to survive, you have everything you'll ever need. No need for big shiny objects. As soon as you see this, you'll see you have the world at the tips of your fingers." What makes you think that I have a need for big shiny objects?  Where did I ever state that this is my spiritual view? That idea isn't unique to your religion. Buddhism would tell you precisely the same thing. As would many other religions and spiritual philosophies. So why are you suggesting to me that as soon as I see this I'll see that I have the world at the tips of my fingers? From a spiritual point of view I already do. Where did you ever get the idea that I have a need for big shiny objects? |
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Cowboy wrote: When you open your mind and eyes you'll find that it truly makes no difference weather you drive a junk car or a brand new hybrid. I drive a junk car. Always have and probably always will. In fact, I only paid $500 for my current car. Moreover, I'm totally happy with my junk car. What makes you think that I need to "open my mind and eyes" to see this? Or more to the point, what ever made you think that I'm not already happy with what I have? You're jumping to totally irrelevant conclusions that have absolutely nothing at all to do with me or my lifestyle. |
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Cowboy,
I'll tell you what I think. I think you jump to a whole lot of conclusions about other people based on what you imagine they might be like in your own mind. Do you think a person needs to believe in Christianity in order to appreciate a simple lifestyle? If you do, you're sorely mistaken. There are a lot of non-Christians who are totally into a back-to-basics or a simple lifestyle. In fact Wiccans are often the most "Earthy" people you'll find. They thrive on simple things. It's often the Christians who go for the big houses and big cars, etc. |
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Cowboy, I'll tell you what I think. I think you jump to a whole lot of conclusions about other people based on what you imagine they might be like in your own mind. Do you think a person needs to believe in Christianity in order to appreciate a simple lifestyle? If you do, you're sorely mistaken. There are a lot of non-Christians who are totally into a back-to-basics or a simple lifestyle. In fact Wiccans are often the most "Earthy" people you'll find. They thrive on simple things. It's often the Christians who go for the big houses and big cars, etc. I'll tell you what I think. I think you jump to a whole lot of conclusions about what people post. This is a forum for everyone. The posts placed here are for the eyes of everyone. Not particularly directed on a particular person less that person's name is included. |
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Who are you to judge who is an idiot or not? I didn't call anyone an idiot. You're trying to make trouble where there is none. I was merely speaking about being rational. If on a planet of humans every culture has a religious tradition it would not be rational to dismiss all but one culture's religious stories. Especially when all religious stories contain questionable entities like wing-angels, or demonic demons, etc. Speaking of judging, who are YOU to judge the spiritual relationship that other people may or may not have with their creator? You keep speaking to me as though I need to do something to get in good with God. That's the epitome of arrogance on your part. I accept your claim to have a relationship with God. You should return the favor. You mentioned before that you'd like to keep these conversations civil, but you seldom discuss religion. Instead you continually make accusations that I need to do something in order to gain some special powers, such as having the world at my fingertips. Let's try to stick to religion and not be using the forums as a pulpit to PREACH to people what you think they might personally be in need of! Ok? Ok I'm sorry I correct myself. Not idiots, but buffoons. And I quote Why would God chose such buffoons? Who are you to judge who's a buffoon or not? Oh, you're talking about the ancient Hebrews. I was going by their own stories. Their own stories depict them as being buffoons. Did you not read the story of Exodus? God sent them Moses to free them from the Egyptians and take them to the "promised land" and what did they do to show their gratitude? They totally ignored their God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig! I would call people who would do such a thing absolute buffoons. You're opinion may vary of course. But yes, from their very own stories of themselves I would have to conclude that the ancient Hebrews were indeed buffoons. Besides, according to their story they were also lost in the desert for 40 YEARS! That would require being a buffoon, IMHO. All they would need to do is use the stars or sun and always walk in the same direction, I'm sure they would have emerged from the desert far sooner than 40 years. So yes, it's my opinion that the ancient Hebrews were indeed buffoons based on their own confessions in their own stories. They had to be seriously mentally handicapped to have done the things they claim to have done in their stories, IMHO. God sent them Moses to free them from the Egyptians and take them to the "promised land" and what did they do to show their gratitude? They totally ignored their God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig! So you're calling yourself a buffoon? Not saying you worship a golden pig, but similar situation here. |
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Cowboy, I'll tell you what I think. I think you jump to a whole lot of conclusions about other people based on what you imagine they might be like in your own mind. Do you think a person needs to believe in Christianity in order to appreciate a simple lifestyle? If you do, you're sorely mistaken. There are a lot of non-Christians who are totally into a back-to-basics or a simple lifestyle. In fact Wiccans are often the most "Earthy" people you'll find. They thrive on simple things. It's often the Christians who go for the big houses and big cars, etc. I'll tell you what I think. I think you jump to a whole lot of conclusions about what people post. This is a forum for everyone. The posts placed here are for the eyes of everyone. Not particularly directed on a particular person less that person's name is included. So in other words, when you quote my posts and respond to things I've said and use the the word "YOU" you actually mean "a generic person not necessarily meaning me". I see. Ok, well, then I totally agree that if a person is in need of big shiny things in order to be happy they are probably thinking about life all wrong. But like I say, almost every religion and spiritual philosophy would agree with that. So you're not telling me anything I don't already know. Nor would that be specific to the Hebrew stories or to your religion. Precisely who needs to open their eyes and mind is in question then. Since you're now just claiming to be tossing that idea out there generically. And it clearly doesn't even apply specifically to your religious views, it's just common knowledge. |
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So you're calling yourself a buffoon? Not saying you worship a golden pig, but similar situation here. No. Not even close. What asinine conclusions are you jumping to now? And clearly your post here is directed specifically at me and not just a generic comment to the general public. So please explain what conclusions you're jumping to here about me specifically, and I'll show you where you are wrong. There is no "similar situation" here. You are grossly mistaken. |
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So you're calling yourself a buffoon? Not saying you worship a golden pig, but similar situation here. No. Not even close. What asinine conclusions are you jumping to now? And clearly your post here is directed specifically at me and not just a generic comment to the general public. So please explain what conclusions you're jumping to here about me specifically, and I'll show you where you are wrong. There is no "similar situation" here. You are grossly mistaken. God sent them Moses to free them from the Egyptians and take them to the "promised land" and what did they do to show their gratitude? They totally ignored their God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig! If you would have quoted the entire post you would have had your answer right there. They totally ignored God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig. Again not saying you worship a golden pig, but again similar situation. You're totally refusing. |
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Cowboy wrote: If you would have quoted the entire post you would have had your answer right there. They totally ignored God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig. Again not saying you worship a golden pig, but again similar situation. You're totally refusing. This is because you are not thinking clearly. You are working under the assumption that the Hebrew fables are true. I'm working under the conclusion that they are just fables. I have no reason to believe that the these stories are true. As a matter of fact, the very fact that these fables have this culture being lost in a desert for 40 years suggest to me that they are clearly some kind of parable like The Three Little Pigs. I would not expect a story about an entire culture being lost in a desert for almost a half a century to be a true story unless these people truly were buffoons. So I'm looking at the story as a parable not as any sort of factual incident. Moreover, there is far deeper things to consider than you are apparently capable of considering. First off, even if these fables held some truth, the "God" in these fables could very easily have been the "higher self" that Jeanniebean often refers too. Perhaps it was the higher self of Moses himself. After all, what do these stores claim that the higher self told Moses to say when he goes to the pharaoh? The higher self tells Moses to say, "Tell him, I AM hath sent me". Well, duh? That verifies Jeanniebean's vision of God. I AM! Our higher self is God. In fact, Moses also writes in his stories that no graven image shall be made of God, not of anything in heaven or in earth. Well, what does that tell you? It tells you that there is nothing to worship but your own higher self. "Tat t'vam asi". You are it. It's Eastern Mysticism to it's very core. Even Jesus told you, "I and the Father are one". Well, do you consider yourself to be an "I" or not? I AM hath sent me. I and the father are ONE. I honor and revere the same God that Moses honored. You're the one who's trying to get me to ignore God in favor of the idol worship of the King James cannon as the verbatim "Word of God". So no, you're wrong in your conclusions. You're somehow erroneously concluding that just because Moses may have been in touch with his higher self, that implies that the entire King James collection of fables should be worshiped as a golden pig. I totally disagree with your way of thinking. Even your own cannon of fables tells you not to worship idols Cowboy. And that would certainly include any dogmatic religions. Doctrine itself is idol worship. This is what we've been trying to tell you all along. We worship "God", you worship a religion. I AM, is who we worship. The same God that Moses spoke of. The Eastern Mystic God of the higher self. We don't worship the Golden Pig of dogma. That would be idol worship. ~~~~~ Finally there is absolutely nothing in any of the biblical cannon of stories that predicts or even remotely suggests that such a cannon of stories would come to pass, or would be part of God's plan. Even in the New Testament Jesus himself never even remotely hinted that he would later be directing Paul to complete his ministries. When you worship the biblical cannon of fables, you're basically worshiping King James. Not "I AM". If you want to truly worship God you must worship "I AM". "Tat t'vam asi" Eastern Mysticism is where it's at Cowboy. They don't pretend to be God, they just tell you where you can find God, and that is WITHIN YOURSELF. "I and the father are one" "Ye are gods" Sound familiar? If you aren't honoring your higher self, then you are worshiping the Golden Pig. That was the message in that parable Cowboy. And it doesn't even need to have been a true story. I could be a parable just like The Three Little Pigs. It's the message that matters. Quit shoving dogma in everyone face and start uplifting the real God! Your higher self! And everyone else's higher self too! Because as Jesus told us, we are all gods. I'm not interested in appeasing the Golden Pig of dogma. If a person can find spiritual insight in some of the biblical stories that's great. But once they've crossed over the line to where they are just blindly shoving that dogma in the face of others demanding that they worship it instead of God, then they have totally lost sight of what's truly important. It's not about worshiping dogma. It's about honoring your higher self. The creator of all that exists. Learn to co-create with all the gods, and uplift the Holy Spirit which pervades every living being, and every non-living being as well. The true spirit is omnipresent Cowboy, it can't be restricted in a single cannon of fables. Especially a cannon of fables that is often used to belittle people in the name of Jesus. That's the most disgusting thing I can even imagine. I'm sure that Jesus would not be pleased by anyone who uses his name to accuse another person of not being in touch with the Holy Spirit. Yet you do this all the time. You renounce everyone who doesn't worship the Biblical cannon as the "Verbatim Word of God" to be out of touch with God. You're basically demanding that they worship the Golden Pig instead of the living spirit that resides within their very self. So don't be lecturing or preaching to me Cowboy until you find your own higher self. Then come back and we can uplift the Holy Spirit together without any need to worship King James, or the male-chauvinistic Hebrews as "God". I'm not about to worship those people as "God". If you want to, then be my guest, but don't expect me to join you in that kind of idol worship because I want no parts of it. And I refuse to use Jesus as a battering ram to renounce the spirituality of other people.  That's just disgusting. The man was crucified twice already. Once when he was physically nailed to the cross, and then again in the New Testament rumors when he was metaphorically nailed to the Old Testament. Leave the poor man rest in peace and quit using him as a battering ram to beat people over the head with. That's truly a sick. How can you claim to be "Uplifting Jesus" when you're constantly using him as a battering ram to insult the spirituality of other people? |
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If you would have quoted the entire post you would have had your answer right there. They totally ignored God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig. Again not saying you worship a golden pig, but again similar situation. You're totally refusing. Totally refusing what? To worship your choice of verbatim dogma? Right down to your choice of interpretations of that dogma? You're not asking me to worship any God Cowboy. On the contrary you're demanding that I worship you and your choices and interpretations of things in life! I have no say in the matter. I must conform to your spiritual dictatorship or you judge me as having "rejected God". With all due respect Cowboy, there truly isn't any respect due you. Your religious arrogance that is completely out of control. And unfortunately this is precisely the kind of religious arrogance that these Abrahamic religions create. I live in the the real world. I consider all histories and spiritual religions and philosophies throughout the world. The religion of the ancient Hebrews is merely one among many. I do see some spiritual truths mixed in among the Hebrew fables. No doubt about it. But there's no way that I'm going to worship the entire biblical cannon of stories as the "verbatim" word of God. And I don't believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of jealous egotistical male-chauvinistic godhead. The few things that appear to potentially be spiritual "truths" in the biblcal cannon of fables, also match up with the spiritual teachings and philosophy of Eastern Mysticism. So I view God in a far more mystical sense than you do. I'm sorry that this causes you to judge me and my relationship with my creator. It's truly said that your religion causes you to pass such judgments on your brothers. This is why I speak out against that religion as being treated as the one and only "verbatim word of God". When treated as such, it only leads to negative things, and negative things cannot be godly, IMHO. Therefore it appears to me to be an ungodly religion when treated as the "verbatim word" of God. That's just my view and if you are hell-bent on passing judgment on my relationship with God because of your religious beliefs then I guess there's nothing I can do about it by suffer your arrogance. I pass no such judgments on you. But I will say that if you can ever find a way to lift the Holy Spirit without degrading people because of their beliefs then maybe we can lift the Holy Spirit together someday.  |
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CowboyGH
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Cowboy wrote: If you would have quoted the entire post you would have had your answer right there. They totally ignored God and started worshiping an idol image of a golden pig. Again not saying you worship a golden pig, but again similar situation. You're totally refusing. This is because you are not thinking clearly. You are working under the assumption that the Hebrew fables are true. I'm working under the conclusion that they are just fables. I have no reason to believe that the these stories are true. As a matter of fact, the very fact that these fables have this culture being lost in a desert for 40 years suggest to me that they are clearly some kind of parable like The Three Little Pigs. I would not expect a story about an entire culture being lost in a desert for almost a half a century to be a true story unless these people truly were buffoons. So I'm looking at the story as a parable not as any sort of factual incident. Moreover, there is far deeper things to consider than you are apparently capable of considering. First off, even if these fables held some truth, the "God" in these fables could very easily have been the "higher self" that Jeanniebean often refers too. Perhaps it was the higher self of Moses himself. After all, what do these stores claim that the higher self told Moses to say when he goes to the pharaoh? The higher self tells Moses to say, "Tell him, I AM hath sent me". Well, duh? That verifies Jeanniebean's vision of God. I AM! Our higher self is God. In fact, Moses also writes in his stories that no graven image shall be made of God, not of anything in heaven or in earth. Well, what does that tell you? It tells you that there is nothing to worship but your own higher self. "Tat t'vam asi". You are it. It's Eastern Mysticism to it's very core. Even Jesus told you, "I and the Father are one". Well, do you consider yourself to be an "I" or not? I AM hath sent me. I and the father are ONE. I honor and revere the same God that Moses honored. You're the one who's trying to get me to ignore God in favor of the idol worship of the King James cannon as the verbatim "Word of God". So no, you're wrong in your conclusions. You're somehow erroneously concluding that just because Moses may have been in touch with his higher self, that implies that the entire King James collection of fables should be worshiped as a golden pig. I totally disagree with your way of thinking. Even your own cannon of fables tells you not to worship idols Cowboy. And that would certainly include any dogmatic religions. Doctrine itself is idol worship. This is what we've been trying to tell you all along. We worship "God", you worship a religion. I AM, is who we worship. The same God that Moses spoke of. The Eastern Mystic God of the higher self. We don't worship the Golden Pig of dogma. That would be idol worship. ~~~~~ Finally there is absolutely nothing in any of the biblical cannon of stories that predicts or even remotely suggests that such a cannon of stories would come to pass, or would be part of God's plan. Even in the New Testament Jesus himself never even remotely hinted that he would later be directing Paul to complete his ministries. When you worship the biblical cannon of fables, you're basically worshiping King James. Not "I AM". If you want to truly worship God you must worship "I AM". "Tat t'vam asi" Eastern Mysticism is where it's at Cowboy. They don't pretend to be God, they just tell you where you can find God, and that is WITHIN YOURSELF. "I and the father are one" "Ye are gods" Sound familiar? If you aren't honoring your higher self, then you are worshiping the Golden Pig. That was the message in that parable Cowboy. And it doesn't even need to have been a true story. I could be a parable just like The Three Little Pigs. It's the message that matters. Quit shoving dogma in everyone face and start uplifting the real God! Your higher self! And everyone else's higher self too! Because as Jesus told us, we are all gods. I'm not interested in appeasing the Golden Pig of dogma. If a person can find spiritual insight in some of the biblical stories that's great. But once they've crossed over the line to where they are just blindly shoving that dogma in the face of others demanding that they worship it instead of God, then they have totally lost sight of what's truly important. It's not about worshiping dogma. It's about honoring your higher self. The creator of all that exists. Learn to co-create with all the gods, and uplift the Holy Spirit which pervades every living being, and every non-living being as well. The true spirit is omnipresent Cowboy, it can't be restricted in a single cannon of fables. Especially a cannon of fables that is often used to belittle people in the name of Jesus. That's the most disgusting thing I can even imagine. I'm sure that Jesus would not be pleased by anyone who uses his name to accuse another person of not being in touch with the Holy Spirit. Yet you do this all the time. You renounce everyone who doesn't worship the Biblical cannon as the "Verbatim Word of God" to be out of touch with God. You're basically demanding that they worship the Golden Pig instead of the living spirit that resides within their very self. So don't be lecturing or preaching to me Cowboy until you find your own higher self. Then come back and we can uplift the Holy Spirit together without any need to worship King James, or the male-chauvinistic Hebrews as "God". I'm not about to worship those people as "God". If you want to, then be my guest, but don't expect me to join you in that kind of idol worship because I want no parts of it. And I refuse to use Jesus as a battering ram to renounce the spirituality of other people. That's just disgusting. The man was crucified twice already. Once when he was physically nailed to the cross, and then again in the New Testament rumors when he was metaphorically nailed to the Old Testament. Leave the poor man rest in peace and quit using him as a battering ram to beat people over the head with. That's truly a sick. How can you claim to be "Uplifting Jesus" when you're constantly using him as a battering ram to insult the spirituality of other people? I have no reason to believe that the these stories are true. As a matter of fact, the very fact that these fables have this culture being lost in a desert for 40 years suggest to me that they are clearly some kind of parable like The Three Little Pigs. What in the world does being lost in the desert and the three little pigs have anything to do with one another? It's quite possible to have gotten lost in the desert. Even today people get lost in the desert. They are found now a days fairly easily usually because of the technology we have. But in those days, they had not the technology, so they would remain lost. Again, what does that have anything to do with the 3 little pigs? In fact, Moses also writes in his stories that no graven image shall be made of God, not of anything in heaven or in earth. Well, what does that tell you? It tells you that there is nothing to worship but your own higher self. "Tat t'vam asi". You are it. How does that tell you that? All it's saying is to not make statues of our father to worship. Because if we did, we would be worshiping that statue not God. God doesn't want us to bow down to statues, praise statues, worship statues. God wants us to bow to him, praise him in our actions, worship him in our actions. You're the one who's trying to get me to ignore God in favor of the idol worship of the King James cannon as the verbatim "Word of God". I worship no book, no idol, no cannon. I worship God. King James is but one version of many of the same scriptures. It doesn't matter if you use the king james, the standard American, or any other version, they will all have the same information inside of them. And again, it is not worshiping the book people call the bible, the bible is merely knowledge. I did not respond to the rest of your post, because it was purely insulting and downing the Christian faith. So is not worth response. |
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Cowboy wrote: I did not respond to the rest of your post, because I do not wish to discuss or even talk about your fantasies of Eastern Mysticism. Of course you don't. That would interfere with your personal designer evangelism. That's your only goal here evidently. You've made it abundantly clear over the past few months that you flatly refuse to speak on the topic of GENERAL RELIGIONS in this GENERAL RELIGION FORUM and that you're only out to proselytize and evangelize your own personal version and interpretations of Protestant Designer Christianity. You don't even support the tenets of Catholicism, or many other sects of Christian Protestantism. You aren't interested in discussing anything other than your own personal specific version of Christianity. You just want to preach that as the verbatim truth of "God" and everyone else can only accept your views or be judged to be "rejecting God". You condemn the spirituality of everyone who refuses to accept your personal evangelistic campaign. You're a perfect example of how distasteful Christianity can become when it gets in the hands of a Paper Pope. The kind of absolute demands that you preach are precisely the kinds of things that spark Holy Wars. Either we believe as Cowboy, or we are judged to be "rejecting God". Clearly you feel the same way toward the Jews and Muslims as you feel toward the Eastern Mystics. They are totally in disagreement with you too. Although you might feel that you have at least some chance with them since they at least recognize part of the dogma that you have personally authorized and approved as the "Verbatim Word of God". It must feel quite powerful to be in a position to authorize what is and isn't condoned to be the "Verbatim Word of God". You even disagree with the Catholic Popes and override their views! You trump everyone! Wow! A powerful man you must be! It's no wonder that you feel so close to God, you seem to have convinced yourself that only you have the true verbatim words of God correct. Everyone else is either wrong, or rejecting God altogether. That's a horrible personalized version of religion you've created there my friend. What are you supposed to be "uplifting" with a religion like that? Surely not the creator of humanity? It seems to me all you do with your religion is go around judging other people's spirituality. Where is there any good in that? |
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Cowboy wrote: I did not respond to the rest of your post, because I do not wish to discuss or even talk about your fantasies of Eastern Mysticism. Of course you don't. That would interfere with your personal designer evangelism. That's your only goal here evidently. You've made it abundantly clear over the past few months that you flatly refuse to speak on the topic of GENERAL RELIGIONS in this GENERAL RELIGION FORUM and that you're only out to proselytize and evangelize your own personal version and interpretations of Protestant Designer Christianity. You don't even support the tenets of Catholicism, or many other sects of Christian Protestantism. You aren't interested in discussing anything other than your own personal specific version of Christianity. You just want to preach that as the verbatim truth of "God" and everyone else can only accept your views or be judged to be "rejecting God". You condemn the spirituality of everyone who refuses to accept your personal evangelistic campaign. You're a perfect example of how distasteful Christianity can become when it gets in the hands of a Paper Pope. The kind of absolute demands that you preach are precisely the kinds of things that spark Holy Wars. Either we believe as Cowboy, or we are judged to be "rejecting God". Clearly you feel the same way toward the Jews and Muslims as you feel toward the Eastern Mystics. They are totally in disagreement with you too. Although you might feel that you have at least some chance with them since they at least recognize part of the dogma that you have personally authorized and approved as the "Verbatim Word of God". It must feel quite powerful to be in a position to authorize what is and isn't condoned to be the "Verbatim Word of God". You even disagree with the Catholic Popes and override their views! You trump everyone! Wow! A powerful man you must be! It's no wonder that you feel so close to God, you seem to have convinced yourself that only you have the true verbatim words of God correct. Everyone else is either wrong, or rejecting God altogether. That's a horrible religion you've created there my friend. What are you supposed to be "uplifting" with a religion like that? Surely not the creator of humanity? You aren't interested in discussing anything other than your own personal specific version of Christianity. You just want to preach that as the verbatim truth of "God" and everyone else can only accept your views or be judged to be "rejecting God". You condemn the spirituality of everyone who refuses to accept your personal evangelistic campaign. You're a perfect example of how distasteful Christianity can become when it gets in the hands of a Paper Pope. Same as yourself. And no you are absolutely wrong. I'm here to discuss and learn about the Lord and brief up on other beliefs. I condemn no one. And nothing hateful about it. If I hated you, would I show the compassion of trying to show you what I see is the truth? I can't save you myself, but I could possibly show you or someone else the true path to God. You just want to preach that as the verbatim truth of "God" and everyone else can only accept your views or be judged to be "rejecting God". And again no. I have said many many many of times that if someone else has a different interpretation of scriptures to confront me. Very few have. And if they did, we discussed. |
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Cowboy wrote: Same as yourself. And no you are absolutely wrong. I'm here to discuss and learn about the Lord and brief up on other beliefs. I condemn no one. And nothing hateful about it. If I hated you, would I show the compassion of trying to show you what I see is the truth? I can't save you myself, but I could possibly show you or someone else the true path to God. Well how can you say that you are here to "breif up on the others beliefs" when you've already stated that you aren't interested in hearing people's "fantasies" of Eastern Mysticism. That doesn't sound to me like you're very interested in the beliefs of others. And again no. I have said many many many of times that if someone else has a different interpretation of scriptures to confront me. Very few have. And if they did, we discussed. "Confront you"? You and I disagree on many interpretations of scriptures. We have indeed discussed them, and all we can ever do is agree to disagree. However, I will give you the following grace: You said: I can't save you myself, but I could possibly show you or someone else the true path to God. Apparently that's the bottom line for you. You're convinced that people need to be "saved" from something so for you it's a matter of desperation. And apparently you don't trust your God to save worthy souls without your help. I never could understand that mentality to be perfectly honest about it. My stance is quite simple. If you're a decent person you have nothing to fear, because God is not a big bad bully who would condemn decent people for no good reason. I have even faith and trust in God to do the right thing. I'm truly sorry that you fear God will not do the right thing and has left you in a position to try to save people who would otherwise be condemned by God. I guess that's the bottom line. You're trying to save people from the wrath of a God who cannot be trusted to save decent people on his own. I'm truly glad that I do not view the creator with such distrust. If I thought God was that bad, I'd be looking at atheism as being a far more reasonable picture of reality. Seriously. A totally haphazard accidental universe would be better than a universe that had been created by an untrustworthy God. So in short, you don't trust God to "save" me from some horrible fate. Well, I can appreciate your concern my friend, but I assure you that your fears are totally unwarranted. You can relax and trust that God will do the right thing. But I do thank you for explaining your fears. That explains everything.
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