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Topic: Does God even care?
davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 01:11 PM



Cowboy wrote:

I'm not in it for me. The hours and hours I spend in these forums aren't for me. I don't gain "browny" points for discussing in these forums. I discuss in these forums for YOU. I want EVERYONE to enjoy in the glory of heaven. Again it's not any selfish manner or bettering of oneself. I'm gonna spend my last breath trying to show people the way to our father.


The hours you spend on these forums is in vain if you think you are making God appear attractive to anyone. whoa



Not trying to make god look "attractive, shiny, or anything of such". Merely telling people of the truth. I can't help it if one is to blind to see the truth.


I'm merely a messenger informing people of the way to eternal life through the grace of our father. If you wish to call that shiny, so be it. If you wish to call that attractive, so be it. But nevertheless it is the truth. Jesus is the only way to our father, and the father has always been. He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.


HW DO YOU INFORM SOMEONE OF THE 'WAY' TO ETERNAL LIFE, when all are already eternal, but living as uneternal for a short time.

the very notion if the lie of the beast.

the GREAT ANTICHRIST RHETORIC.

LOL...

a messenger pointing the way to more hell being created on earth.

some messenger of 'good news'...

why the very essence of what it was called "good news", was the understanding of HOW ALL ARE ETERNAL.

what a bunch of idiocy these crazy delusions of self importance as self messengers of god can create in the brain.

total brain washing of lies, lol...

piles and piles of idiocy unto the heavens, creating babbling idiots creating the towers of babble, that topple the furthest to the ground, lol...






davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 01:24 PM



No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 03:08 PM




No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 03:21 PM





No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.




CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 03:51 PM






No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.






It's not about causing success for oneself or anything of such. Again obeying the laws in the book are for BEING OBEDIENT TO OUR FATHER. DOING AS HE HAS INSTRUCTED. It's not for the reward, it's out of love and showing our love to our father. What will come of it will come of it, that's not the reason for doing as such. We obey OUT OF LOVE for our father.

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:07 PM








mirriam websters two cents

Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)



kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,,


No, actually it's more about accepting that there are some things science and those who practice science do not attempt to know or to prove.

Science and those who practice it, understand the limitations of that field of knowledge.

It would be more logical to say that the souces of knowledge are based on subjective interpretation.

Of course being logical is more difficult when a person's religious doctrine contains elements of exclusivity pertaining to the one and ony true source of knowledge.

Kinda puts the damper on recognizing any other source for the attainment of knowledge, doesn't it?







I guess that depends upon interpretation and context,,,imagine, 2000 years from now what will be said about our civilization and how all that CURRENTLY is happening will be condensed into several books all originating with the FIRST of its kind,,,,


I see the bible as a condensed history from several sources, instead of just one source,,,, much like the United Kingdom is actually several countries which were united into one

which leaves the information, like the country, formally one source, but in actuality a collection of sources


And what conclusions have you drawn when attempting to compare the sources of scientific knowledge to the source of your religious knowledge?




that science and 'knowledge' continue to grow and that many things SCIENCE has proven was already included in one source of my religious knowledge, namely the Bible

I come to the conclusion that science is completely correct and disproves biblical knowledge, OR that biblical knowledge is COMPLETELY correct and coincides with scientific knowledge OR that each continue to compliment each other

I take it as a sign that biblical knowledge superceded that of modern scientific knowledge in many (and possibly ALL) things, so that I believe science has yet to catch up with the knowledge contained in the Biblical books, because it attempts to please the five mortal senses in proving or disproving the realities of life thousands of years ago

The bible could be wrong, just as my father might not have been my father,, I was not there when the bible was written nor was I conscious enough to record memory of what happened when I was conceived,, but my FAITH tells me that I can trust what is written and what my parents told me, and even though noone ever PROVED it to me, I have complete faith, that it was entirely probable that they would have been able to prove my dad was my dad, and I expect, when and if our minds and spirits have evolved enough, we will have the proof of what the Bible speaks as well





Nicely put, and for the most part we agree but for one thing, the following quote:

kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,,


The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge.

That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts.

The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing.

Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions.






The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge.

That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts.

The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing.

Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions.


Science is nothing but accepted theories and or accepted knowledge. Just because some people do not accept Jesus as lord and saviour doesn't make it any less of a fact. It's only not a scientific fact for the simple fact Scientists don't accept it as such. But do scientists know everything? Of course not, that is why new discoveries are found here and there and old theories are found not to be true. Science is ever changing. God has always been the same and always will be.

Balderdash...

Galilieo Galiea was a scientist... Those that opposed him did so in the name of god...

Which one was right.


Copernicus also - did not want his work published while he lived, because he feared the religious retribution he would face.



davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:13 PM







No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.






It's not about causing success for oneself or anything of such. Again obeying the laws in the book are for BEING OBEDIENT TO OUR FATHER. DOING AS HE HAS INSTRUCTED. It's not for the reward, it's out of love and showing our love to our father. What will come of it will come of it, that's not the reason for doing as such. We obey OUT OF LOVE for our father.


dear lost soul.

if one loved the father as god the creator of all life, than it would love what god created, humans, and not god the father, and i dare say wretched lost son, enough to deem all others as equal childs of god, therefore all others as having equal enlightenment as onself.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:23 PM








No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.






It's not about causing success for oneself or anything of such. Again obeying the laws in the book are for BEING OBEDIENT TO OUR FATHER. DOING AS HE HAS INSTRUCTED. It's not for the reward, it's out of love and showing our love to our father. What will come of it will come of it, that's not the reason for doing as such. We obey OUT OF LOVE for our father.


dear lost soul.

if one loved the father as god the creator of all life, than it would love what god created, humans, and not god the father, and i dare say wretched lost son, enough to deem all others as equal childs of god, therefore all others as having equal enlightenment as onself.




Yes very true. And that is why we are to love our neighbours as ourself. We are not to think of ourselves as greater, more important, or anything of such. We are not to be greedy, but to help those in need for we would do it for ourselves if that was us.

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:29 PM









No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.






It's not about causing success for oneself or anything of such. Again obeying the laws in the book are for BEING OBEDIENT TO OUR FATHER. DOING AS HE HAS INSTRUCTED. It's not for the reward, it's out of love and showing our love to our father. What will come of it will come of it, that's not the reason for doing as such. We obey OUT OF LOVE for our father.


dear lost soul.

if one loved the father as god the creator of all life, than it would love what god created, humans, and not god the father, and i dare say wretched lost son, enough to deem all others as equal childs of god, therefore all others as having equal enlightenment as onself.




Yes very true. And that is why we are to love our neighbours as ourself. We are not to think of ourselves as greater, more important, or anything of such. We are not to be greedy, but to help those in need for we would do it for ourselves if that was us.


funny how you left out the part of supposed to see all other as children of god as equal so than AS EQUAL IN KNOWING.

lol...

of course, the demons from hell can't stand to even contemplate such things as real.

damn, just can bring yourself to admit your a devil declaring itself as god, so need to be washed in the blood of jesus.

damn, that blood **** can sure be nasty.

i wonder what kinda mentally ill people really want to be washed in blood.

sick sick sick.

poor wretched creeatures.

making themself as equal to god, by saying you know what GOD MEANS, sure creates some nasty self delusions.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:36 PM










No "Christian" is a title YOU give us. We don't take that title in that exact sense. We are followers of Christ PERIOD. If you wish to call that a Christian be my guest.


I've met very few "Christians" who actually follow the teachings of Jesus.

Far too many of them just use Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred toward anyone who doesn't believe in the biblical picture of God.

They use Jesus as an excuse to hate.

Nothing more.


THERE IS NO HATRED. I'M NO BETTER THEN YOU, YOU'RE NOT BETTER THEN ME. I LOVE YOU JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. I WOULD HELP YOU JUST AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HATRED.


if one deems itself NOT BETTER, than it CANNOT DECLARE IT'S BELIEF "BETTER", WHICH IS KEPT AND TUCKED AWAY IN IT'S BRAIN, AS PART OF ITSELF, OR DEEM IT'S "OWN WAY" THE "TRUE WAY" OF GOD...

lol...

no one can tell another how to ride a bike, UNTIL ITSELF FIRST ASSUMES ITSELF KNOWS "BETTER".



lol....


Then that is applies to you as well. You laugh at my beliefs and tell me yours, so in the same essence why do you spread such hatred? Why do you come here to cause such havoc on one?

Regardless of all that, still no hatred. If there was hatred we would converse like you do, we were belittle your beliefs, we would insult you mocking your beliefs. Or we were just stay away from you. That would be hatred right there, keeping the gift of heaven tucked under our jackets and running away with it not to share with you. No my friend, we spread love. Love thy neighbour as thyself. We spread joy and love my friend. It is you that tries to twist it into some strange delusional hatred. So again, no Christianity spreads love. I hope you have a great night friend :).


does laughing mean no love?

not to unconditional love, which you have declared you spread unto all.

and have for all.

so of course there would be no hatred, lol....

and none here either, EXCEPT I DO NOT CLAIM TO HAVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...

I DO NOT CLAIM MY ALL THAT DO NOT BELIEVE "MY WORDS", SHALL EXIST NO MORE AFTER DEATH.

since such is impossible.

and i did not know we were speaking here of PERSONAL THINGS, but rather discussing BELIEFS...

AND IF THESE BELIEFS ARE OF "GOD"...

such has nothing to do with our personal feelings dear one.

why those do not even exist over such matters...

for when discussing beliefs, it be no different than discussing politics, or car's, concerning what is SAFE, OR MOST GOOD, OR MOST OF GOD...

for we are not discussing which car YOU LIKE, OR I LIKE, but beliefs, religions of the world, and how and if these CREATE GRAND GOOD FOR HUMANS.

AND IF THESE CREATE HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS FOR HUMANS, for remember dear boy, HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT KILL, NOR RAPE, NOR STEAL, NOR PLUNDER, NOR WAR...

so, things IN BELIEFS, THAT CREATE SUCH THINGS IN HUMANS, I HATE.

and loath.

and detest.

not you dear one.

and if you think so, than perhaps a checking into that "unconditional love" claimed to exist, and espoused unto all, twould be in order, and NOTE THIS...

I ONLY SAY SO BEING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO.

for you asked me to tell you faults of yourself...

this i did not find benefical, so declined.

for i find none.

only inconsistencies in words spoken as belief as to what the good ole book says.

one should not debate the book, lest it has unconditional love, for indeed, and considers what or how any other speaks to itself as with no offense, which of course is what having unconditional love for another twould be...

you can speak to me anyway you like, and i can speak to you anyway i like...

equal.

no conditoins.

of course, such twould only apply to those that follow the book, and wish to live out the no condition love for all others, as your fine self has committted itself to.

grand wishes unto you as well.






It's not about causing success for oneself or anything of such. Again obeying the laws in the book are for BEING OBEDIENT TO OUR FATHER. DOING AS HE HAS INSTRUCTED. It's not for the reward, it's out of love and showing our love to our father. What will come of it will come of it, that's not the reason for doing as such. We obey OUT OF LOVE for our father.


dear lost soul.

if one loved the father as god the creator of all life, than it would love what god created, humans, and not god the father, and i dare say wretched lost son, enough to deem all others as equal childs of god, therefore all others as having equal enlightenment as onself.




Yes very true. And that is why we are to love our neighbours as ourself. We are not to think of ourselves as greater, more important, or anything of such. We are not to be greedy, but to help those in need for we would do it for ourselves if that was us.


funny how you left out the part of supposed to see all other as children of god as equal so than AS EQUAL IN KNOWING.

lol...

of course, the demons from hell can't stand to even contemplate such things as real.

damn, just can bring yourself to admit your a devil declaring itself as god, so need to be washed in the blood of jesus.

damn, that blood **** can sure be nasty.

i wonder what kinda mentally ill people really want to be washed in blood.

sick sick sick.

poor wretched creeatures.

making themself as equal to god, by saying you know what GOD MEANS, sure creates some nasty self delusions.





AS EQUAL IN KNOWING


Of course we are equal in knowing. I know things you do not know, you know things I do not know. That does not make anyone of us greater, or lesser then the other.


making themself as equal to god, by saying you know what GOD MEANS, sure creates some nasty self delusions


Absolutely no one is equal to God. And we haven't discussed what "god means". We have not discussed what scriptures say or mean. All we've discussed is the existence of our father or not.

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Tue 12/21/10 08:41 PM
if one uses it's two eyes to deem who is born again, and who is not, than there is no equal.

for born again, MAKES ONE MORE CORRECT.

SERVING THE FATHER GOD.

and all others as not.

again, still self as god, the DETECTOR OF RIGHTEOUNESS.

THE DETECTOR OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF ALL GOOD.

THE DEFINER OF ALL VALUE.

THE DEFINER OF ALL WORHTY OF HEAVEN.

as the one that doses out the requirments of heaven, makes itself the gatekeeper to heaven.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:43 PM

if one uses it's two eyes to deem who is born again, and who is not, than there is no equal.

for born again, MAKES ONE MORE CORRECT.

SERVING THE FATHER GOD.

and all others as not.

again, still self as god, the DETECTOR OF RIGHTEOUNESS.

THE DETECTOR OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF ALL GOOD.

THE DEFINER OF ALL VALUE.

THE DEFINER OF ALL WORHTY OF HEAVEN.

as the one that doses out the requirments of heaven, makes itself the gatekeeper to heaven.




I know not who is born again. That is not my judgement to make, i'm no greater then you nor you me.

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:48 PM


if one uses it's two eyes to deem who is born again, and who is not, than there is no equal.

for born again, MAKES ONE MORE CORRECT.

SERVING THE FATHER GOD.

and all others as not.

again, still self as god, the DETECTOR OF RIGHTEOUNESS.

THE DETECTOR OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF ALL GOOD.

THE DEFINER OF ALL VALUE.

THE DEFINER OF ALL WORHTY OF HEAVEN.

as the one that doses out the requirments of heaven, makes itself the gatekeeper to heaven.




I know not who is born again. That is not my judgement to make, i'm no greater then you nor you me.



ah, but my truth is far greater than yours my boy, for mine is heaven and hell rolled into a magic carpet ride of the gods of heaven and hell.

since ye speak not one lick of truth of any god but satan himself, sorry, ye lose on this one.

i am far greater.

take that ye god.

why i am so great, i shall have to make you bow to me.

sorry.

don't want to.

but god told me to.

damn.

what a shame.

hate to make another bow.

ah, but it is for the saving of their poor wretched soul.

that thinks and fancies itself as the gatekeeper to heavens doors.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:51 PM



if one uses it's two eyes to deem who is born again, and who is not, than there is no equal.

for born again, MAKES ONE MORE CORRECT.

SERVING THE FATHER GOD.

and all others as not.

again, still self as god, the DETECTOR OF RIGHTEOUNESS.

THE DETECTOR OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF SIN.

THE DEFINER OF ALL GOOD.

THE DEFINER OF ALL VALUE.

THE DEFINER OF ALL WORHTY OF HEAVEN.

as the one that doses out the requirments of heaven, makes itself the gatekeeper to heaven.




I know not who is born again. That is not my judgement to make, i'm no greater then you nor you me.



ah, but my truth is far greater than yours my boy, for mine is heaven and hell rolled into a magic carpet ride of the gods of heaven and hell.

since ye speak not one lick of truth of any god but satan himself, sorry, ye lose on this one.

i am far greater.

take that ye god.

why i am so great, i shall have to make you bow to me.

sorry.

don't want to.

but god told me to.

damn.

what a shame.

hate to make another bow.

ah, but it is for the saving of their poor wretched soul.

that thinks and fancies itself as the gatekeeper to heavens doors.




All praise to the great and holy David.

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:55 PM
why thank you.

but i would rather you go and say that to all others, whom you have deemd not holy and not worhty of praise.

so you can redeem yourself, and be freed from the chains of hell, and enter into the courts and hallways and many rooms of heaven.

hurry my boy, heaven awaits thee.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 08:56 PM

why thank you.

but i would rather you go and say that to all others, whom you have deemd not holy and not worhty of praise.

so you can redeem yourself, and be freed from the chains of hell, and enter into the courts and hallways and many rooms of heaven.

hurry my boy, heaven awaits thee.




You don't take sarcasm well I see.

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 09:09 PM


why thank you.

but i would rather you go and say that to all others, whom you have deemd not holy and not worhty of praise.

so you can redeem yourself, and be freed from the chains of hell, and enter into the courts and hallways and many rooms of heaven.

hurry my boy, heaven awaits thee.




You don't take sarcasm well I see.


perhaps you mean i accept not praise very well.

since i asked you to pass the poison cup of self praise to another whom you have deemed not worthy, and not holy.

indeed, for pass it along to the many other's you have deemed as UNHOLY.

and likewise, made oneself as god.

so you were not really praising me?

so ye wrote such in false pretense.

that twould be a lie.

lies come from the father of all lies i heard from your source.

oh wait.

ye are my god.

praise the truth of cowboy.

no matter if it contains false pretense which be lies.

well, a god can say and do whatever it wishes i suppose.

i hail cowboy as my god, false pretense or not.

since has decided to be the gatekeeper of heaven.

and the special forces op detector of holy and not holy.

hail the holy detector.

long live the king of who be holy!






CowboyGH's photo
Tue 12/21/10 09:16 PM



why thank you.

but i would rather you go and say that to all others, whom you have deemd not holy and not worhty of praise.

so you can redeem yourself, and be freed from the chains of hell, and enter into the courts and hallways and many rooms of heaven.

hurry my boy, heaven awaits thee.




You don't take sarcasm well I see.


perhaps you mean i accept not praise very well.

since i asked you to pass the poison cup of self praise to another whom you have deemed not worthy, and not holy.

indeed, for pass it along to the many other's you have deemed as UNHOLY.

and likewise, made oneself as god.

so you were not really praising me?

so ye wrote such in false pretense.

that twould be a lie.

lies come from the father of all lies i heard from your source.

oh wait.

ye are my god.

praise the truth of cowboy.

no matter if it contains false pretense which be lies.

well, a god can say and do whatever it wishes i suppose.

i hail cowboy as my god, false pretense or not.

since has decided to be the gatekeeper of heaven.

and the special forces op detector of holy and not holy.

hail the holy detector.

long live the king of who be holy!








I deem not one person unholy. I make no judgement.

davidben1's photo
Tue 12/21/10 09:22 PM
ah, ye deem many not saved, OR ONESELF WOULD NOT NEED TO TELL ANY HOW TO BE SAVED.

lol...

lies lies lies...


msharmony's photo
Tue 12/21/10 10:14 PM
God cares, like a parent for their child


but he stands back to let us make our own choices, like a parent whose child is growing into their own life...

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