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what does it matter if another human goes to heaven? what does it matter if another human goes to hell? if it matters so much, then those with unconditional love, the christains can go to hell in my place, since they claim unconditional love, which is willing to take the pain for another, and i shall work on creating heaven here on earth, which is but a caring place where all are treated as equal... but didn't it say heaven would be created on EARTH? hum... i smell a rat, a shrew, a deceit, propoagted by mortal tongues, hewn forth from self serving wants to get to heaven again! damn cowboy, in the other thread, you said you were against living for a reward for self! and now your over here tryin to get other people to live for a self reward of heaven for themself? damn... thats a total opposite. if self says living for no reward for self, is the good way of god, than how can it tell other's to hope to get there, or want a reward for themself, and now pose such as good motive or belief? hum... what does it matter if another human goes to heaven? what does it matter if another human goes to hell? It matters to me if one goes to heaven. Heaven is a glorious place. Full of love. Nothing bad, no disease, no sickness, no death. Just life and love. It matters to me if one doesn't make it to heaven for what they have missed out on. I do not wish for one person to miss out on such an opurtunity. and now your over here tryin to get other people to live for a self reward of heaven for themself? No, again you're stuck on reward for oneself. AGAIN, doing something that appears to be loving in hopes of some form of prize is in vein, is pointless. So no, not trying to get people to be obedient for oneself. Trying to open people's eyes so that they would be obedient out of love and honour of our heavenly father. WHY ARE YOU STUCK ON REWARD FOR ONESELF? I wish EVERYONE to be in heaven with our heavenly father. Doing things to achieve this isn't in hopes of bettering oneself. It is to get the opportunity to see our father and love and worship him for eternity. Right next to our loved ones, spending more loving times making more memories with the ones we hold dearest to ourselves. I can't help it you're stuck on bettering oneself. So then 'to serve God' must mean to save other people from the dangers of the free-will that God not only gave them but for which he became flesh and died to protect. So aside from a waisted life, what happens to the 'servent' if the service they provide is unproductive? |
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mirriam websters two cents Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final) kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, No, actually it's more about accepting that there are some things science and those who practice science do not attempt to know or to prove. Science and those who practice it, understand the limitations of that field of knowledge. It would be more logical to say that the souces of knowledge are based on subjective interpretation. Of course being logical is more difficult when a person's religious doctrine contains elements of exclusivity pertaining to the one and ony true source of knowledge. Kinda puts the damper on recognizing any other source for the attainment of knowledge, doesn't it? I guess that depends upon interpretation and context,,,imagine, 2000 years from now what will be said about our civilization and how all that CURRENTLY is happening will be condensed into several books all originating with the FIRST of its kind,,,, I see the bible as a condensed history from several sources, instead of just one source,,,, much like the United Kingdom is actually several countries which were united into one which leaves the information, like the country, formally one source, but in actuality a collection of sources And what conclusions have you drawn when attempting to compare the sources of scientific knowledge to the source of your religious knowledge? that science and 'knowledge' continue to grow and that many things SCIENCE has proven was already included in one source of my religious knowledge, namely the Bible I come to the conclusion that science is completely correct and disproves biblical knowledge, OR that biblical knowledge is COMPLETELY correct and coincides with scientific knowledge OR that each continue to compliment each other I take it as a sign that biblical knowledge superceded that of modern scientific knowledge in many (and possibly ALL) things, so that I believe science has yet to catch up with the knowledge contained in the Biblical books, because it attempts to please the five mortal senses in proving or disproving the realities of life thousands of years ago The bible could be wrong, just as my father might not have been my father,, I was not there when the bible was written nor was I conscious enough to record memory of what happened when I was conceived,, but my FAITH tells me that I can trust what is written and what my parents told me, and even though noone ever PROVED it to me, I have complete faith, that it was entirely probable that they would have been able to prove my dad was my dad, and I expect, when and if our minds and spirits have evolved enough, we will have the proof of what the Bible speaks as well |
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Nevermind, I figured this question would ultimately go nowhere, and it pretty much has. Sorry, but if I go around preaching about a tooth fairy and say "I have felt the tooth fairy" that hardly qualifies as proof that the tooth fairy exists. Continue doing whatever the hell it was that you were doing in this thread.  No probs...and thanks... there still is no f*cking god...  Well then how do think all those human infestations called spirits are being made? Hmmmm...which human infestations?...and what made?...can they not have always been here?...fragments of the same consciousness?...and no not a godhead like consciousness...perhaps nothing more than a vibrationary energy synchronised with the common vibration called human? OH - well of course. It's always good to see diversity bring new perspective. It helps us to avoid falling into that trap of groupthink or worse nothink... 
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Redykeulous
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mirriam websters two cents Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final) kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, No, actually it's more about accepting that there are some things science and those who practice science do not attempt to know or to prove. Science and those who practice it, understand the limitations of that field of knowledge. It would be more logical to say that the souces of knowledge are based on subjective interpretation. Of course being logical is more difficult when a person's religious doctrine contains elements of exclusivity pertaining to the one and ony true source of knowledge. Kinda puts the damper on recognizing any other source for the attainment of knowledge, doesn't it? I guess that depends upon interpretation and context,,,imagine, 2000 years from now what will be said about our civilization and how all that CURRENTLY is happening will be condensed into several books all originating with the FIRST of its kind,,,, I see the bible as a condensed history from several sources, instead of just one source,,,, much like the United Kingdom is actually several countries which were united into one which leaves the information, like the country, formally one source, but in actuality a collection of sources And what conclusions have you drawn when attempting to compare the sources of scientific knowledge to the source of your religious knowledge? that science and 'knowledge' continue to grow and that many things SCIENCE has proven was already included in one source of my religious knowledge, namely the Bible I come to the conclusion that science is completely correct and disproves biblical knowledge, OR that biblical knowledge is COMPLETELY correct and coincides with scientific knowledge OR that each continue to compliment each other I take it as a sign that biblical knowledge superceded that of modern scientific knowledge in many (and possibly ALL) things, so that I believe science has yet to catch up with the knowledge contained in the Biblical books, because it attempts to please the five mortal senses in proving or disproving the realities of life thousands of years ago The bible could be wrong, just as my father might not have been my father,, I was not there when the bible was written nor was I conscious enough to record memory of what happened when I was conceived,, but my FAITH tells me that I can trust what is written and what my parents told me, and even though noone ever PROVED it to me, I have complete faith, that it was entirely probable that they would have been able to prove my dad was my dad, and I expect, when and if our minds and spirits have evolved enough, we will have the proof of what the Bible speaks as well Nicely put, and for the most part we agree but for one thing, the following quote: kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge. That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts. The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing. Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions. |
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what does it matter if another human goes to heaven? what does it matter if another human goes to hell? if it matters so much, then those with unconditional love, the christains can go to hell in my place, since they claim unconditional love, which is willing to take the pain for another, and i shall work on creating heaven here on earth, which is but a caring place where all are treated as equal... but didn't it say heaven would be created on EARTH? hum... i smell a rat, a shrew, a deceit, propoagted by mortal tongues, hewn forth from self serving wants to get to heaven again! damn cowboy, in the other thread, you said you were against living for a reward for self! and now your over here tryin to get other people to live for a self reward of heaven for themself? damn... thats a total opposite. if self says living for no reward for self, is the good way of god, than how can it tell other's to hope to get there, or want a reward for themself, and now pose such as good motive or belief? hum... what does it matter if another human goes to heaven? what does it matter if another human goes to hell? It matters to me if one goes to heaven. Heaven is a glorious place. Full of love. Nothing bad, no disease, no sickness, no death. Just life and love. It matters to me if one doesn't make it to heaven for what they have missed out on. I do not wish for one person to miss out on such an opurtunity. and now your over here tryin to get other people to live for a self reward of heaven for themself? No, again you're stuck on reward for oneself. AGAIN, doing something that appears to be loving in hopes of some form of prize is in vein, is pointless. So no, not trying to get people to be obedient for oneself. Trying to open people's eyes so that they would be obedient out of love and honour of our heavenly father. WHY ARE YOU STUCK ON REWARD FOR ONESELF? I wish EVERYONE to be in heaven with our heavenly father. Doing things to achieve this isn't in hopes of bettering oneself. It is to get the opportunity to see our father and love and worship him for eternity. Right next to our loved ones, spending more loving times making more memories with the ones we hold dearest to ourselves. I can't help it you're stuck on bettering oneself. So then 'to serve God' must mean to save other people from the dangers of the free-will that God not only gave them but for which he became flesh and died to protect. So aside from a waisted life, what happens to the 'servent' if the service they provide is unproductive? A person can not save anyone from anyone or anything. Only Jesus saves anyone. And no it has nothing to do with saving anyone from the dangers of free will. Would you rather have had no free will? Would you rather have been a robot and or a puppet? Free will is only dangerous if you wish to use your free will to disobey our father. Free will itself isn't dangerous. It is what you choose to do with that free that can be dangerous, choose wisely. |
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mirriam websters two cents Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final) kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, No, actually it's more about accepting that there are some things science and those who practice science do not attempt to know or to prove. Science and those who practice it, understand the limitations of that field of knowledge. It would be more logical to say that the souces of knowledge are based on subjective interpretation. Of course being logical is more difficult when a person's religious doctrine contains elements of exclusivity pertaining to the one and ony true source of knowledge. Kinda puts the damper on recognizing any other source for the attainment of knowledge, doesn't it? I guess that depends upon interpretation and context,,,imagine, 2000 years from now what will be said about our civilization and how all that CURRENTLY is happening will be condensed into several books all originating with the FIRST of its kind,,,, I see the bible as a condensed history from several sources, instead of just one source,,,, much like the United Kingdom is actually several countries which were united into one which leaves the information, like the country, formally one source, but in actuality a collection of sources And what conclusions have you drawn when attempting to compare the sources of scientific knowledge to the source of your religious knowledge? that science and 'knowledge' continue to grow and that many things SCIENCE has proven was already included in one source of my religious knowledge, namely the Bible I come to the conclusion that science is completely correct and disproves biblical knowledge, OR that biblical knowledge is COMPLETELY correct and coincides with scientific knowledge OR that each continue to compliment each other I take it as a sign that biblical knowledge superceded that of modern scientific knowledge in many (and possibly ALL) things, so that I believe science has yet to catch up with the knowledge contained in the Biblical books, because it attempts to please the five mortal senses in proving or disproving the realities of life thousands of years ago The bible could be wrong, just as my father might not have been my father,, I was not there when the bible was written nor was I conscious enough to record memory of what happened when I was conceived,, but my FAITH tells me that I can trust what is written and what my parents told me, and even though noone ever PROVED it to me, I have complete faith, that it was entirely probable that they would have been able to prove my dad was my dad, and I expect, when and if our minds and spirits have evolved enough, we will have the proof of what the Bible speaks as well Nicely put, and for the most part we agree but for one thing, the following quote: kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge. That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts. The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing. Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions. The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge. That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts. The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing. Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions. Science is nothing but accepted theories and or accepted knowledge. Just because some people do not accept Jesus as lord and saviour doesn't make it any less of a fact. It's only not a scientific fact for the simple fact Scientists don't accept it as such. But do scientists know everything? Of course not, that is why new discoveries are found here and there and old theories are found not to be true. Science is ever changing. God has always been the same and always will be. |
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mirriam websters two cents Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final) kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, No, actually it's more about accepting that there are some things science and those who practice science do not attempt to know or to prove. Science and those who practice it, understand the limitations of that field of knowledge. It would be more logical to say that the souces of knowledge are based on subjective interpretation. Of course being logical is more difficult when a person's religious doctrine contains elements of exclusivity pertaining to the one and ony true source of knowledge. Kinda puts the damper on recognizing any other source for the attainment of knowledge, doesn't it? I guess that depends upon interpretation and context,,,imagine, 2000 years from now what will be said about our civilization and how all that CURRENTLY is happening will be condensed into several books all originating with the FIRST of its kind,,,, I see the bible as a condensed history from several sources, instead of just one source,,,, much like the United Kingdom is actually several countries which were united into one which leaves the information, like the country, formally one source, but in actuality a collection of sources And what conclusions have you drawn when attempting to compare the sources of scientific knowledge to the source of your religious knowledge? that science and 'knowledge' continue to grow and that many things SCIENCE has proven was already included in one source of my religious knowledge, namely the Bible I come to the conclusion that science is completely correct and disproves biblical knowledge, OR that biblical knowledge is COMPLETELY correct and coincides with scientific knowledge OR that each continue to compliment each other I take it as a sign that biblical knowledge superceded that of modern scientific knowledge in many (and possibly ALL) things, so that I believe science has yet to catch up with the knowledge contained in the Biblical books, because it attempts to please the five mortal senses in proving or disproving the realities of life thousands of years ago The bible could be wrong, just as my father might not have been my father,, I was not there when the bible was written nor was I conscious enough to record memory of what happened when I was conceived,, but my FAITH tells me that I can trust what is written and what my parents told me, and even though noone ever PROVED it to me, I have complete faith, that it was entirely probable that they would have been able to prove my dad was my dad, and I expect, when and if our minds and spirits have evolved enough, we will have the proof of what the Bible speaks as well Nicely put, and for the most part we agree but for one thing, the following quote: kind of makes religions scientific facts too,,,,but its all subjective I suppose,,, The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge. That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts. The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing. Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions. The SOURCE of scientific knowledge includes tools and methods that cannot be adequately applied to the SOURCE of religious knowledge. That's what makes them different and while, as you indicated, the knowledge itself may not be incompatible to each other it would not be appropriate to suggest that religios beliefs beliefs are scientific facts. The only reason compatibility between the two sources of knowledge even exists is incidental - meaning that one does not support the other but are merely similar conclusions of two different sources of knowing. Not so much subjective as it is a matter of verbal symantics - otherwise, I agree with your conclusions. Science is nothing but accepted theories and or accepted knowledge. Just because some people do not accept Jesus as lord and saviour doesn't make it any less of a fact. It's only not a scientific fact for the simple fact Scientists don't accept it as such. But do scientists know everything? Of course not, that is why new discoveries are found here and there and old theories are found not to be true. Science is ever changing. God has always been the same and always will be. Balderdash... Galilieo Galiea was a scientist... Those that opposed him did so in the name of god... Which one was right. |
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COWBOY!
your entire premise OF BELIEVING IN HEAVEN AND HELL IS "DOING IT FOR A REWARD"... if one DOES NOT DO IT, IT GOES TO HELL. as you said, "no lying, no stealing, no sleeping with your neighbors wife, so on so on".... AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BELIEF IN HEAVEN OR HELL? BAD IF DON'T, SO NO GOOD FOR SELF, NO REWARD. SATAN CLAUSE. i mean santa clause. IF YOU BEEN NAUGHTY, YOU GET NO PRESENTS. SO, FOR REWARD. we are talking about the PREMISE OR ESSENCE OF THE BELIEF ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T GO TO "HEAVEN", THEN YOU GO TO HELL... so thats a NO CHOICE. BETTER DO IT, OR GET BAD. THAT IS FOR REWARD. AND THAT IS WHAT IN ITSELF KEEPS PEOPLE FROM DOING ALL THOSE THINGS CAUSE THEY WANT TO, WITH TRUE LOVE! make no mistake, the consistency of premise of your words shift with the winds, of what another says to you. your simply using a total rebuttal logic. in other words, totally trying to disprove all you hear, and detect if what you hear does NOT AGREE WITH YOU... at this point in time, you can't clearly make out who agree with you and who does not... you agreed NO REWARD BASED BELIEF WAS GOOD. NOT TO DO "ANYTHING" FOR A REWARD BUT FOR "LOVE"... HEAVEN AND HELL AS REAL, AND AS "EARNED, GIVEN, RECIEVED, ACCEPTED, PROMSIED, WOULD BE YOUR VERY OWN "GOD" DOING WHAT YOU SAY NOT TO DO. that is how you know THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO HEAVEN. there is LIFE. TO FIGHT FOR SELF NOT TO GO TO HELL, IS TO LOOSE THE SANCITY AND VALUE OF LIFE, PERIOD. it is a "reward system". the total essence of heaven and hell. AND IF YOUR SAYING I AM STUCK ON IT, THEN PERHAPS THERE IS A GOOD FUCCKING REASON, YOU ARE CREATING THE "REWARD SYSTEM WITH YOUR MOUTH", THE VERY SAME THING YOU SAY IS "NOT GOOD TO DO".... and sure, IT IS "RIGHT" TO DO THAT... and i won't stop ya.... but i sure as hell am not going to sit an do nothing, as you create the very essence of WHAT STEALS ALL LOVE FROM PLANET EARTH INTO EXISTENCE, BY SPEWING PEOPLE SHOULD DO GOOD, or they go to hell... and won't be in paradise of heaven WITH YOU? lol.... and you can't see, that those that do enter any true heaven, OR THOSE THAT FORFIETED HEAVEN FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO HAVE IT, LOL... IT'S CALLED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, WHICH MEANS NO CONDITIONS... if you heard about some "god", and it was posed to you THIS GOD HAD CONDITONS, THINGS HE WANTED YOU TO DO, OR YOU WOULD GO TO HELL, than that aint no TRUE GOD, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, AS YOUR GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE "UNCONDITIONAL" LOVE, which is NO CONDITIONS, so NO HELL, PERIOD. the two can't be believed and there not be a LIE CREATED. and we know who is the father of al lies, lol... and all who lie are HIS FOLLOWERS... so which is it... if there is heaven and hell, THERE ARE CONDITONS. if you actually looked, then you would find there is nor was ever a hell as human imaginations made it, but rather hell is simply planet earth as human. ever heard the statment, "damn, im going thru hell"... true statement. lol... thats all hell was. BUT NO, YOU ARE NOT SPEADING "THE GOOD NEWS" AS YOU SAY, RATHER THE "BAD NEWS", OF IF YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOUR GOING TO HELL... good news huh... your warped if you don't find out how your twisted belief is totally inconsistent, and IS LITERALLY STEALING LOVE FROM OTHERS ALL DAY LONG. i pity those in the seat of stealing love, since love is god. |
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COWBOY! your entire premise OF BELIEVING IN HEAVEN AND HELL IS "DOING IT FOR A REWARD"... if one DOES NOT DO IT, IT GOES TO HELL. as you said, "no lying, no stealing, no sleeping with your neighbors wife, so on so on".... AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BELIEF IN HEAVEN OR HELL? BAD IF DON'T, SO NO GOOD FOR SELF, NO REWARD. SATAN CLAUSE. i mean santa clause. IF YOU BEEN NAUGHTY, YOU GET NO PRESENTS. SO, FOR REWARD. we are talking about the PREMISE OR ESSENCE OF THE BELIEF ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T GO TO "HEAVEN", THEN YOU GO TO HELL... so thats a NO CHOICE. BETTER DO IT, OR GET BAD. THAT IS FOR REWARD. AND THAT IS WHAT IN ITSELF KEEPS PEOPLE FROM DOING ALL THOSE THINGS CAUSE THEY WANT TO, WITH TRUE LOVE! make no mistake, the consistency of premise of your words shift with the winds, of what another says to you. your simply using a total rebuttal logic. in other words, totally trying to disprove all you hear, and detect if what you hear does NOT AGREE WITH YOU... at this point in time, you can't clearly make out who agree with you and who does not... you agreed NO REWARD BASED BELIEF WAS GOOD. NOT TO DO "ANYTHING" FOR A REWARD BUT FOR "LOVE"... HEAVEN AND HELL AS REAL, AND AS "EARNED, GIVEN, RECIEVED, ACCEPTED, PROMSIED, WOULD BE YOUR VERY OWN "GOD" DOING WHAT YOU SAY NOT TO DO. that is how you know THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO HEAVEN. there is LIFE. TO FIGHT FOR SELF NOT TO GO TO HELL, IS TO LOOSE THE SANCITY AND VALUE OF LIFE, PERIOD. it is a "reward system". the total essence of heaven and hell. AND IF YOUR SAYING I AM STUCK ON IT, THEN PERHAPS THERE IS A GOOD FUCCKING REASON, YOU ARE CREATING THE "REWARD SYSTEM WITH YOUR MOUTH", THE VERY SAME THING YOU SAY IS "NOT GOOD TO DO".... and sure, IT IS "RIGHT" TO DO THAT... and i won't stop ya.... but i sure as hell am not going to sit an do nothing, as you create the very essence of WHAT STEALS ALL LOVE FROM PLANET EARTH INTO EXISTENCE, BY SPEWING PEOPLE SHOULD DO GOOD, or they go to hell... and won't be in paradise of heaven WITH YOU? lol.... and you can't see, that those that do enter any true heaven, OR THOSE THAT FORFIETED HEAVEN FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO HAVE IT, LOL... IT'S CALLED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, WHICH MEANS NO CONDITIONS... if you heard about some "god", and it was posed to you THIS GOD HAD CONDITONS, THINGS HE WANTED YOU TO DO, OR YOU WOULD GO TO HELL, than that aint no TRUE GOD, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, AS YOUR GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE "UNCONDITIONAL" LOVE, which is NO CONDITIONS, so NO HELL, PERIOD. the two can't be believed and there not be a LIE CREATED. and we know who is the father of al lies, lol... and all who lie are HIS FOLLOWERS... so which is it... if there is heaven and hell, THERE ARE CONDITONS. if you actually looked, then you would find there is nor was ever a hell as human imaginations made it, but rather hell is simply planet earth as human. ever heard the statment, "damn, im going thru hell"... true statement. lol... thats all hell was. BUT NO, YOU ARE NOT SPEADING "THE GOOD NEWS" AS YOU SAY, RATHER THE "BAD NEWS", OF IF YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOUR GOING TO HELL... good news huh... your warped if you don't find out how your twisted belief is totally inconsistent, and IS LITERALLY STEALING LOVE FROM OTHERS ALL DAY LONG. i pity those in the seat of stealing love, since love is god. Life is all about showing other's love, helping those in need. To share great times with one another, weather it's your spouse, a relative, or a stranger. Life is about working together in a loving way to be productive in what ever it may be that you were doing. Weather it's occupational or other. Life is about love for others. It's not about bettering oneself. Bettering oneself has no reward on earth or in heaven. If you spend your time and days bettering oneself and gaining all the money in the world. What do you have? A bunch of money? Nice things? You have NOTHING. You have NOTHING in this world unless you have love. That there is what our father has told us and taught us to do. To share love with one another. It has NOTHING to do with bettering of oneself. You are REALLY stuck on this, and I do not know why. make no mistake, the consistency of premise of your words shift with the winds, of what another says to you Nothing about me or what I say "shifts" it is consistent and coincides with the teachings of our father. |
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COWBOY! your entire premise OF BELIEVING IN HEAVEN AND HELL IS "DOING IT FOR A REWARD"... if one DOES NOT DO IT, IT GOES TO HELL. as you said, "no lying, no stealing, no sleeping with your neighbors wife, so on so on".... AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BELIEF IN HEAVEN OR HELL? BAD IF DON'T, SO NO GOOD FOR SELF, NO REWARD. SATAN CLAUSE. i mean santa clause. IF YOU BEEN NAUGHTY, YOU GET NO PRESENTS. SO, FOR REWARD. we are talking about the PREMISE OR ESSENCE OF THE BELIEF ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T GO TO "HEAVEN", THEN YOU GO TO HELL... so thats a NO CHOICE. BETTER DO IT, OR GET BAD. THAT IS FOR REWARD. AND THAT IS WHAT IN ITSELF KEEPS PEOPLE FROM DOING ALL THOSE THINGS CAUSE THEY WANT TO, WITH TRUE LOVE! make no mistake, the consistency of premise of your words shift with the winds, of what another says to you. your simply using a total rebuttal logic. in other words, totally trying to disprove all you hear, and detect if what you hear does NOT AGREE WITH YOU... at this point in time, you can't clearly make out who agree with you and who does not... you agreed NO REWARD BASED BELIEF WAS GOOD. NOT TO DO "ANYTHING" FOR A REWARD BUT FOR "LOVE"... HEAVEN AND HELL AS REAL, AND AS "EARNED, GIVEN, RECIEVED, ACCEPTED, PROMSIED, WOULD BE YOUR VERY OWN "GOD" DOING WHAT YOU SAY NOT TO DO. that is how you know THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO HEAVEN. there is LIFE. TO FIGHT FOR SELF NOT TO GO TO HELL, IS TO LOOSE THE SANCITY AND VALUE OF LIFE, PERIOD. it is a "reward system". the total essence of heaven and hell. AND IF YOUR SAYING I AM STUCK ON IT, THEN PERHAPS THERE IS A GOOD FUCCKING REASON, YOU ARE CREATING THE "REWARD SYSTEM WITH YOUR MOUTH", THE VERY SAME THING YOU SAY IS "NOT GOOD TO DO".... and sure, IT IS "RIGHT" TO DO THAT... and i won't stop ya.... but i sure as hell am not going to sit an do nothing, as you create the very essence of WHAT STEALS ALL LOVE FROM PLANET EARTH INTO EXISTENCE, BY SPEWING PEOPLE SHOULD DO GOOD, or they go to hell... and won't be in paradise of heaven WITH YOU? lol.... and you can't see, that those that do enter any true heaven, OR THOSE THAT FORFIETED HEAVEN FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO HAVE IT, LOL... IT'S CALLED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, WHICH MEANS NO CONDITIONS... if you heard about some "god", and it was posed to you THIS GOD HAD CONDITONS, THINGS HE WANTED YOU TO DO, OR YOU WOULD GO TO HELL, than that aint no TRUE GOD, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, AS YOUR GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE "UNCONDITIONAL" LOVE, which is NO CONDITIONS, so NO HELL, PERIOD. the two can't be believed and there not be a LIE CREATED. and we know who is the father of al lies, lol... and all who lie are HIS FOLLOWERS... so which is it... if there is heaven and hell, THERE ARE CONDITONS. if you actually looked, then you would find there is nor was ever a hell as human imaginations made it, but rather hell is simply planet earth as human. ever heard the statment, "damn, im going thru hell"... true statement. lol... thats all hell was. BUT NO, YOU ARE NOT SPEADING "THE GOOD NEWS" AS YOU SAY, RATHER THE "BAD NEWS", OF IF YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOUR GOING TO HELL... good news huh... your warped if you don't find out how your twisted belief is totally inconsistent, and IS LITERALLY STEALING LOVE FROM OTHERS ALL DAY LONG. i pity those in the seat of stealing love, since love is god. BUT NO, YOU ARE NOT SPEADING "THE GOOD NEWS" AS YOU SAY, RATHER THE "BAD NEWS", OF IF YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOUR GOING TO HELL I know not whom will go to hell or who will go to heaven. This is not of my knowledge. This is purely up to the judgement of Jesus. I do not know if I will go to heaven, I do not know if you will go to heaven, I do not know of anyone that will go to heaven or hell at that. That is not in my power to know of such a thing. NO ONE knows whom will go to either of these until judgement day when Jesus gives us his judgement of our souls. |
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COWBOY! your entire premise OF BELIEVING IN HEAVEN AND HELL IS "DOING IT FOR A REWARD"... if one DOES NOT DO IT, IT GOES TO HELL. as you said, "no lying, no stealing, no sleeping with your neighbors wife, so on so on".... AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BELIEF IN HEAVEN OR HELL? BAD IF DON'T, SO NO GOOD FOR SELF, NO REWARD. SATAN CLAUSE. i mean santa clause. IF YOU BEEN NAUGHTY, YOU GET NO PRESENTS. SO, FOR REWARD. we are talking about the PREMISE OR ESSENCE OF THE BELIEF ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T GO TO "HEAVEN", THEN YOU GO TO HELL... so thats a NO CHOICE. BETTER DO IT, OR GET BAD. THAT IS FOR REWARD. AND THAT IS WHAT IN ITSELF KEEPS PEOPLE FROM DOING ALL THOSE THINGS CAUSE THEY WANT TO, WITH TRUE LOVE! make no mistake, the consistency of premise of your words shift with the winds, of what another says to you. your simply using a total rebuttal logic. in other words, totally trying to disprove all you hear, and detect if what you hear does NOT AGREE WITH YOU... at this point in time, you can't clearly make out who agree with you and who does not... you agreed NO REWARD BASED BELIEF WAS GOOD. NOT TO DO "ANYTHING" FOR A REWARD BUT FOR "LOVE"... HEAVEN AND HELL AS REAL, AND AS "EARNED, GIVEN, RECIEVED, ACCEPTED, PROMSIED, WOULD BE YOUR VERY OWN "GOD" DOING WHAT YOU SAY NOT TO DO. that is how you know THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO HEAVEN. there is LIFE. TO FIGHT FOR SELF NOT TO GO TO HELL, IS TO LOOSE THE SANCITY AND VALUE OF LIFE, PERIOD. it is a "reward system". the total essence of heaven and hell. AND IF YOUR SAYING I AM STUCK ON IT, THEN PERHAPS THERE IS A GOOD FUCCKING REASON, YOU ARE CREATING THE "REWARD SYSTEM WITH YOUR MOUTH", THE VERY SAME THING YOU SAY IS "NOT GOOD TO DO".... and sure, IT IS "RIGHT" TO DO THAT... and i won't stop ya.... but i sure as hell am not going to sit an do nothing, as you create the very essence of WHAT STEALS ALL LOVE FROM PLANET EARTH INTO EXISTENCE, BY SPEWING PEOPLE SHOULD DO GOOD, or they go to hell... and won't be in paradise of heaven WITH YOU? lol.... and you can't see, that those that do enter any true heaven, OR THOSE THAT FORFIETED HEAVEN FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO HAVE IT, LOL... IT'S CALLED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, WHICH MEANS NO CONDITIONS... if you heard about some "god", and it was posed to you THIS GOD HAD CONDITONS, THINGS HE WANTED YOU TO DO, OR YOU WOULD GO TO HELL, than that aint no TRUE GOD, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, AS YOUR GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE "UNCONDITIONAL" LOVE, which is NO CONDITIONS, so NO HELL, PERIOD. the two can't be believed and there not be a LIE CREATED. and we know who is the father of al lies, lol... and all who lie are HIS FOLLOWERS... so which is it... if there is heaven and hell, THERE ARE CONDITONS. if you actually looked, then you would find there is nor was ever a hell as human imaginations made it, but rather hell is simply planet earth as human. ever heard the statment, "damn, im going thru hell"... true statement. lol... thats all hell was. BUT NO, YOU ARE NOT SPEADING "THE GOOD NEWS" AS YOU SAY, RATHER THE "BAD NEWS", OF IF YOU DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOUR GOING TO HELL... good news huh... your warped if you don't find out how your twisted belief is totally inconsistent, and IS LITERALLY STEALING LOVE FROM OTHERS ALL DAY LONG. i pity those in the seat of stealing love, since love is god. your warped if you don't find out how your twisted belief is totally inconsistent, and IS LITERALLY STEALING LOVE FROM OTHERS ALL DAY LONG. i pity those in the seat of stealing love, since love is god Not one person has shown any inconsistencies in the bible and or what I have said. So please don't spread lies. |
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guess you forget your own words.
TO ANOTHER POSTER. "YOUR REWARD IS BASED UPON WHAT YOU PUT YOUR FAITH IN" read them again. they are your words. YOUR WORDS BUBBA. then you SAY, NO DOING IT FOR REWARD. please. HEAVEN AND HELL IS A REWARD SYSTEM. SO IS BASED UPON CONDITONS. SO NOT ON UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. SO, NOT OF GOD. period. shape it all you want. lies. lies. lies. lies. lies. lies. and some are so used to them, they won't admit them. per your own book, your going to hell. guess you better hope im right and EARTH PAIN WAS THE THE ONLY HELL. LOL... get a clue, and get a life, which don't exist WITH LIES, of heaven and hell. |
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Science is nothing but accepted theories and or accepted knowledge. Just because some people do not accept Jesus as lord and saviour doesn't make it any less of a fact. It's only not a scientific fact for the simple fact Scientists don't accept it as such. But do scientists know everything? Of course not, that is why new discoveries are found here and there and old theories are found not to be true. Science is ever changing. God has always been the same and always will be. Your ignorance of science and knowledge is unbelievable. But then you've already confessed that you have no interest in science and don't want to know about it. So I guess it shouldn't be so surprising that you don't understand it. You say, "God has always been the same and always will be" If that's true then the Bible cannot be of God. Because the biblical stories have their god dealing with the sin of mankind first by drowning out all of the sinners. But then later he has an extreme change of heart and deals with sin entirely differently by sending his son to become the sacrificial lamb to pay for the sins of mankind. So the biblical god has not been the same throughout time, he changes his character in extremes. He's totally inconsistent and unreliable. Therefore, if you truly believe that God is unchanging you need to check into some more consistent religious philosophies. I would suggest looking into some of the ideas expressed through Eastern Mysticism, they have a picture of God that truly is rock solid and unchanging.  If that's a characteristic that you feel God should have, then you should look into religions that support your feelings instead of supporting religions that conflict with how you feel God should be. |
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Science is nothing but accepted theories and or accepted knowledge. Just because some people do not accept Jesus as lord and saviour doesn't make it any less of a fact. It's only not a scientific fact for the simple fact Scientists don't accept it as such. But do scientists know everything? Of course not, that is why new discoveries are found here and there and old theories are found not to be true. Science is ever changing. God has always been the same and always will be. Your ignorance of science and knowledge is unbelievable. But then you've already confessed that you have no interest in science and don't want to know about it. So I guess it shouldn't be so surprising that you don't understand it. You say, "God has always been the same and always will be" If that's true then the Bible cannot be of God. Because the biblical stories have their god dealing with the sin of mankind first by drowning out all of the sinners. But then later he has an extreme change of heart and deals with sin entirely differently by sending his son to become the sacrificial lamb to pay for the sins of mankind. So the biblical god has not been the same throughout time, he changes his character in extremes. He's totally inconsistent and unreliable. Therefore, if you truly believe that God is unchanging you need to check into some more consistent religious philosophies. I would suggest looking into some of the ideas expressed through Eastern Mysticism, they have a picture of God that truly is rock solid and unchanging. If that's a characteristic that you feel God should have, then you should look into religions that support your feelings instead of supporting religions that conflict with how you feel God should be. If that's true then the Bible cannot be of God. Because the biblical stories have their god dealing with the sin of mankind first by drowning out all of the sinners. But then later he has an extreme change of heart and deals with sin entirely differently by sending his son to become the sacrificial lamb to pay for the sins of mankind Nothing changed. The only reward for sin is death. To receive forgiveness of a sin(s) something is sacrificed to our father to show sincerity or our asking for forgiveness. So Jesus came to be the sacrifice for us all if you wish to accept it. The world as a whole had become totally sinful, thus we had the flood to cleanse the world of the sinful nature. Again, the only reward for sin is death. So the planet was wiped clean to start again. |
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guess you forget your own words. TO ANOTHER POSTER. "YOUR REWARD IS BASED UPON WHAT YOU PUT YOUR FAITH IN" read them again. they are your words. YOUR WORDS BUBBA. then you SAY, NO DOING IT FOR REWARD. please. HEAVEN AND HELL IS A REWARD SYSTEM. SO IS BASED UPON CONDITONS. SO NOT ON UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. SO, NOT OF GOD. period. shape it all you want. lies. lies. lies. lies. lies. lies. and some are so used to them, they won't admit them. per your own book, your going to hell. guess you better hope im right and EARTH PAIN WAS THE THE ONLY HELL. LOL... get a clue, and get a life, which don't exist WITH LIES, of heaven and hell. Nothing changed in what I said, only your taking it out of context. Yes there will be rewards four our actions, the reward of which you receive will be from what you have done. But that is NOT why we do as we're told to do. It is not to gain that reward, it is to be obedient and loving to our father. Nothing for the bettering of oneself. For if it is done for the bettering of oneself it is done in vein. If it is done in vein that action is mute, pointless. |
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Nothing changed. The only reward for sin is death. To receive forgiveness of a sin(s) something is sacrificed to our father to show sincerity or our asking for forgiveness. So Jesus came to be the sacrifice for us all if you wish to accept it. The world as a whole had become totally sinful, thus we had the flood to cleanse the world of the sinful nature. Again, the only reward for sin is death. So the planet was wiped clean to start again. That, my friend, is still an enormous change in the way this God deals with mankind and sin. There's no getting around it. All you're basically saying here is that God doesn't know what he's doing and he's experimenting. The first time around he tried one thing, and it clearly didn't work. So he had to wipe the slate clean and start over again and try something different. A change in God's very approach to dealing with sin. A change that can only be explained by recognizing that his first method didn't work very well. So you've got a picture of a God here that doesn't even know what he's doing. Like I say, the religious stories that you've chosen to represent God don't align with many of the characteristics that you seem to feel God should have. And I keep telling you, that many of the traits that you seem to feel God should have are actually supported in Eastern Mystical views of God. So if you like a consistent unchanging God who is truly righteous in every way imaginable, then you should check into spiritual pictures that support those views. That's all I'm saying. The personal feelings you express that God should be like simply don't match up with the religious doctrines that you support as the supposed "Word of God". |
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Nothing changed. The only reward for sin is death. To receive forgiveness of a sin(s) something is sacrificed to our father to show sincerity or our asking for forgiveness. So Jesus came to be the sacrifice for us all if you wish to accept it. The world as a whole had become totally sinful, thus we had the flood to cleanse the world of the sinful nature. Again, the only reward for sin is death. So the planet was wiped clean to start again. That, my friend, is still an enormous change in the way this God deals with mankind and sin. There's no getting around it. All you're basically saying here is that God doesn't know what he's doing and he's experimenting. The first time around he tried one thing, and it clearly didn't work. So he had to wipe the slate clean and start over again and try something different. A change in God's very approach to dealing with sin. A change that can only be explained by recognizing that his first method didn't work very well. So you've got a picture of a God here that doesn't even know what he's doing. Like I say, the religious stories that you've chosen to represent God don't align with many of the characteristics that you seem to feel God should have. And I keep telling you, that many of the traits that you seem to feel God should have are actually supported in Eastern Mystical views of God. So if you like a consistent unchanging God who is truly righteous in every way imaginable, then you should check into spiritual pictures that support those views. That's all I'm saying. The personal feelings you express that God should be like simply don't match up with the religious doctrines that you support as the supposed "Word of God". NOTHING CHANGED. The only reward for sin is death. The world became mostly sinful, so he wiped it clean. No experimenting, no changing, NOTHING. It is still the same. Again the ONLY REWARD FOR SIN IS DEATH. People sacrificed things to show their sincerity in asking for forgiveness, thus they sacrificed animals. A very needed thing at that day and age, it wasn't as abundant as it is now. Thus was a sacrifice for them. Jesus sacrificed his life for us, he sacrificed himself to go through the pain of death, through the pain and sorrow of us the people of the world doing that to him. You can accept this sacrifice if you wish to receive forgiveness of your sin(s). AGAIN NOTHING CHANGED. |
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THERE WILL BE REWARD FROM WHAT WE HAVE DONE YOU SAY?
lol... DAMN, YOUR STUCK ON THIS REWARD MENTALITY... because ALL YOU DO, ALL YOU SAY, ALL YOU LIVE FOR, IS FOR REWARD FOR SELF, AS IN "HEAVEN".... and to avoid the DEVASTATING OPPOSITE CHOICE, HELL... hell is what HUMANS CREATE, when they don't CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. has nothing to do with some AFTERLIFE. THERE ARE TWO REALMS. the living and dead. or the dead and living. the lower realm, EARTH, is hell compared to the HIGHER REALM... it is only in that way, that there is a HEAVEN. if you actually cared about another living soul, than you would see the devastating damage done by enducing GOOD BEHAVIOUR, MOST WHEN SAID "GOD" THINKS AND SAYS THIS, of not doing GOOD, AND YOU GO TO HELL WHEN YOU DIE.... now if one said, if you don't treat other people as you wish to be treated, some are not so nice, they may sneek into your house and torture you, and steal from you... BUT THEN IS SUCH TRUE? HELL NO. BECAUSE YOU COULD TREAT PEOPLE NICE, AND THEY STILL STEAL FROM YOU? so, where is the true? what is creating the seemingly random events of good and bad? MOTIVE. AND THE SELF INTEREST MOTIVE, HIDDEN, CREATES HELL FOR HUMANS. when used. WHAT THE HELL DID HITLER "AND HIS FOLLOWERS", CREATE FOR HUMANS? fucckiing hell... and the self interest motive, OF FINDING THE JEWS AS EVIL, was what was used to trick the people TO FOLLOW THEIR SELF INTEREST MOTIVE AS GOOD... please man... you have no understanding of the very words you spew as hate speech and terrorist creating words. A FUCCKING TERRORIST WAS CREATED HOW? TAKING THEIR HOPE OF GOOD IN THIS LIFE AWAY! WORLD FULL OF "NONE BELIEVERS"! NO REASON TO LIVE ANYHOW. so, couple seconds of possible pain, AND BLISS OF HEAVEN~! wake the fucck up man... your fueling the same mentality. all to feel important, and attain heaven for oneself? what a self interest belief RUN AMOCK that destroys any TRUE WILL OR MOTIVE TO HELP CREATE COMMON GOOD HERE FOR ALL, WITH LOVE, AND NOT FEAR OF HELL. you can't motivate ADULTS with FEAR. and now, THE KIDS ARE AS ADULTS. and they will DESTROY THEMSELF, DOSING OUT THIS HEAVEN AND HELL CRAP! and your creating it. the same as a terrorist. because the terrorsit WANTS HEAVEN FOR ITSELF. THAT IS EVIL MOTIVE. LOSS OF CARE OR SIGHT OF OTHERS, DUE TO HOPELESS HERE ON EARTH, AND EXTRICATE ONESELF FROM THE PAIN, AND IF IT KILLS A FEW OF THE EVILS IN THE PROCESS, IT GET HEAVEN. so, what can we expect? MORE AND MORE BOMBINGS, THE MORE "HOPELESSNESS AND FEAR AGAINST EVIL" WE AS HUMANS ARE SPEWING, FROM NEWS MEDIUM, TELEVISION SHOWS, MOVIES.... and you think your justified in ADDING FUEL TO THE SELF AS HOPELESS by doing such, because you think this is what your BOOK DECLARES? AND YOUR GETTING APPROVAL OF GOD! PLEASE... no father in no other realm where ALL IS GLORIOUS, WITH NO HATE, AND VIOLENCE, WOULD EMBRACE NOR EVER PROMOTE SUCH, SINCE IT CREATES ALL THE OPPOSITE. we shall be fast enemies, until you recant your hate rhetoric, that steals human love and all good. member. you said YOU INSPECT YOURSELF FOR FAULTS. not one time have i ever said you had a "fault". rather what this shall create. but, since you said and declared to the entire world, YOU INSPECT YOURSELF FOR FAULTS, then i will not say to do that, for i see you with none, but go and inspect your BELIEF, and see if it has "faults", or what spews to """LOVE TO GET REWARD FOR SELF""" creating a GIVE TO GET MENTALITY, AS IT HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO. as long as there is PENALTY FOR "NOT LOVING" EMBRACED, OR "NO GOOD DEEDS, then there is REWARD CREATED. there IS NO IN BETWEEN. just as there is no IN BETWEEN CHOICE CREATED FROM "HEAVEN AND HELL". go back to the drawing board, and construct what WILL CREATE LOVE, NOT WAR. |
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my question to people are if god always existed then why couldn't the universe? God created the universe to sustain us. The bible teaches of the creation of the universe, not just the creation of the planet. |
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my question to people are if god always existed then why couldn't the universe? God created the universe to sustain us. The bible teaches of the creation of the universe, not just the creation of the planet. that does not even answer the question. the question is directly on the mark. if "god" always existed, then SO DOES WHATEVER WHAT GOD CREATED. which goes directly to the essence of HUMANS ARE IMMORTAL, ALWAYS HAD ETERNAL LIFE, ARE WERE FOREVER... and THAT HUMANS, DECIDED, IT WAS EARNED, BY GOOD DEEDS. eternal, living a short non eternal space in time, THEN BACK TO ETERNAL, THEN PICKING A NEW REALITY, A NEW REALM TO LIVE AS MORTAL WITHIN, TO "CREATE" IT, TO ADVANCE THEIR "OWN INTELLIGENCE". then back to eternal again. ALL LIFE IS ETERNAL. the life of that little bug, when it dies, comes out and enters into the NEXT BODY UP THE EVOLUTION CHAIN, to LEARN MORE. ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL GETTING TO HUMAN. in between each LIFE, the LIFE, gets a stopOVER, to be "DEBRIEFED", as to where ITS GOING NEXT. pretty simple. |
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