I dont get why its perfectly fine to display a santa claus (an obviously fictitious character) but not Jesus( someone naysayers claim is fictitious but feel OFFENDED by,,,)

You need to take a drive across western Kansas, you'll see them.

I dunno..you think this one goes to far too??

yes, it does, and it offends me whenever people use the 'patriot' card

but it is also protected under freedom of speech

Christ wasn't even born on Dec.25, they are thinking he was born in march sometime... there has never been any proof the christ was born on that day... It is a time for celebration, any promotes peace and harmony with all peoples...if some people want to see it as a religious experience, more power to them and the atheists also have no right to say otherwise...let people enjoy (or not) Xmas the way they want to, it is really nobody's business how anyone else experience's Xmas

Did you even read what I wrote? You sound like you are trying to argue with me though we wrote basically the same thing. I wrote the church "Chose" that day because there was already a Pagan festival that day. I also said there is nothing wrong with having a non-religious Christmas.

But if people really didn't think Christmas is religious then why do so many stores have to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?

uber sensitivity is my guess

It doesn't offend me as an Atheist. To each their own:)

I don't see where it says "Jesus loves you" anywhere.


God can mean any religions God.It does not say Jesus Christ so can you link this statement to Christianity?If you look in the bottom corner you can see half of a no parking sign.So this isn't even a billboard.It's probabably only about 10 feet long by 6 feet high and in front of some church.

I see this sign more of a statement then a attack.The sign is not demanding Atheist do anything it is simply pointing out a reality in our country.This is different then Atheist billboards which are demanding the end to Christmas in the public and throwing lawsuits at Christians every year.

because it offends other religions that do not celebrate xmas... Jews, muslims, atheists... it is still about money, and if they say merry xmas, those groups might not shop there anymore...

it is the same thing... are atheists anti - American? i do not know any that are... are atheists planning a civil war? not that i know of... in fact, it has religious people that do more damage to people than atheists... look at the abortion clinics being blown up.... the Oklahoma city bombing, 9-11, Waco... need i go on?

No it's not the same because Christian churches are not suing Atheist groups on a monthly basis demanding them to think they way they do.Christian churches are not putting up billboards from California to New york degrading Atheists.Christian churches are not out protesting other religions demanding them to become Atheists.

That is a pretty poor argument that Christians are somehow responsible for what one person does.Should we blame the Atheists for every crime in America that Atheists do?I can promise you for every murder done by a Christian I can find 2 more done by Atheists.


You also have no idea what you are talking about in some of your so called Christians attacks by Christians.


Timothy McVeigh, was a self-proclaimed atheist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

In June, 2001, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News claiming to be an agnostic[84] and told the authors of American Terrorist that he did not believe in Hell.[85] McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[86]


What 9/11 has anything to do with Jesus Christ,the bible,Christianity or anything is puzzling?


David Koresh was nothing but a lunitic who may have been influenced by the bible but was doing everything possible not to follow it including sexual relationships with nearly all the women in his compound including children and a 76 year old woman,claming he was God,claming he was immortal,murder,and a whole list of other things I can't think of.This man was no Christian.Anyone with basic bible knowledge will tell you that.


I don't see how killing a abortion doctor is related to Christianity or can be justified in any way using the bible.The bible specifically commands us not to kill.It tells us to forgive and forget.I also don't see how killing a doctor is any different then killing anyone else.You can search the bible from start to finish and their is no justification for killing anyone.Anyone claiming they were justified using the bible is a liar.

you can make any excuses you want, but everything i have listed and more, have ties to religion as to what they did... religion makes people blind to the facts

What excuses?These are the facts and if they are not the facts maybe you should present the facts so you can back up what you are talking about.


I don't think what you posted has anything to do with religion.McVeigh was mad at our Government over the Waco incident and felt like our Government was overreaching in its power and wanted our Government destroyed.McVeigh did not bomb that building for Christian reasons or anything related to the bible.It had nothing to do with religion.It was all political and our government policies.



9/11 was also due to our Government and it's policies.Bin laden specifically said it was a response to the United states supporting Israel over the years.It had nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with our Government and who we support.


I think if your statement had any truth then you would have at the very minimum several hundred million Christians in America alone killing people for biblical reasons much like the Muslims do.You would read on a daily basis how this Christian murdered this Atheist or Muslim and was justified for doing so because of what the bible tells them is justifiable(like Islam does).But we don't see that and I could probably count on one hand the amount of abortion doctors murdered in America in the last 30 years.



Maybe you need to start researching people who kill using the Christian holy bible for justification.If you can find some people who make a good case using the bible for what they did and the bible can back up their actions then we can talk.

Still wondering where I said this, Chazter.

i guess you forgot the muslims started a holy war with us, and that is why 9-11 happened... remember, we are all infidels to them, so that makes it a religious factor... you are right about Timmothy McViegh, however, he was raised in strict catholic environment while growing up. people can untie these things from religion just as fast as we can tie them into it, but truth be told, religion is a factor in all of these things...

There is not doubt that Islam and this War are connected and always have been.I have said that many,many,times in here.If you want to make this a religious VS Atheist debate and who has the highest body count I can show you charts showing hundreds of millions of dead by Wars started by Atheist dictators like Stalin and Pol pot.Just in the last 100 years you have well over 100 million dead due to Atheist dictators.This is far more greater than anything you can blame on religion including the daily death tolls due to Islamic terrorism.


Who cares if Timmothy McVeigh was raised a Catholic?He said in his own words he never believed it.There is people all the time raised Christian and turned Atheist later.The point you keep failing to understand time and time again is that you are trying to put the blame on something totally unrelated to the crime that was committed and why they committed it.

It's like saying "this person committed murder because he had the Texas chainsaw massacre in his collection".Yet the murder says he killed because this person was having a affair with his wife.You can say "that person killed because he had a large gun and knife collection".Yet the murder says he killed because this person owed him money.


Your saying McVeigh blew up this building because he was raised a Catholic and this had to be somehow Christianity related.Yet in his own words he said he never believed in it,said science was his religion,and he blew up that building for political reasons all related to the police state of our Government.


I know you would like to believe McVeigh said "because of my Catholic upbringing it had a huge influence in my decision to bomb this building and I believed I was justified in killing all those people because the Holy bible says it was justified and Holy".He could then explain how he read this bible passage and that bible passage and tell the world how he was not wrong.

Yet he doesn't say one word about religion other than saying he never believed it and science is his religion.

personally i prefer something with a bit more artistic value

See you can't do that. You can't say Christmas isn't religious so we can celebrate it anyway we want then also say that saying Merry Christmas is offensive.