well Cowboy...first you were claiming that Christians are taught that no one should Judge but once Thomas posted a passage in which Jesus said that it's ok to judge now you change your tune that Christians can judge and it sort of shows that you don't read the bible

but anyway your post doesn't explain why it's ok for Christian Judges to sentence people to death when it is taught to do so is to play God.....did Jesus teach that it's ok for Christians to sentence people to Death?

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well Cowboy...first you were claiming that Christians are taught that no one should Judge but once Thomas posted a passage in which Jesus said that it's ok to judge now you change your tune that Christians can judge and it sort of shows that you don't read the bible
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Nothing has changed in anything. Jesus taught us not to judge, and if we do judge we then are judged the same. It's a punishment for judging others. As in i see you don't believe in the bible, if i bluntly just come out and say you're going to burn in the lake of fire for this. I have then judged you and will be judged with the same measure of judgement in punishment and or consequence for doing as such.
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but anyway your post doesn't explain why it's ok for Christian Judges to sentence people to death when it is taught to do so is to play God.....did Jesus teach that it's ok for Christians to sentence people to Death?
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Never said the death penalty is ok. I'm strongly against the death penalty. I don't condone to judges doing as such. Besides that, that's an earthly judgement, that's not an eternity judgement. Again with my previous example you don't believe in the bible. Jesus specifically says deny me before man and i will deny you before the father. Now that is his judgement. On earth we have no power to judge anyone along those lines. Take the Christian Crusades for example. That was totally wrong for them to go around killing everyone that wouldn't accept Jesus Christ. That is making a judgement on this matter which we are not suppose to do. We are taught to do quite the opposite. But yes nevertheless we are still to have laws of the land and judges of those laws. That's two different judgements my friend, again one is for a little while on earth and the other is for eternity. Because with what judgement you give others will factor how you treat them. Say you judge someone again as a murderer and say they are going to burn in the lake of fire for doing such an action, you will then treat them differently usually not as loving and caring. But more out of hatred and anger, thus not producing anything productive. So again Jesus told us not to do this, and if we do we will be judged as well. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Your obsession with punishments doesn't make any sense.

To begin with if you judged someone to be a sinner for not believing in the Bible, then you should be judged the SAME. However, since you supposedly believe in the Bible that judgment APPLIED to you would find you being "not guilty".

So in what sense would you have been "punished" for having judged others?

You make no sense at all.

While I seldom agree with Thomas on much of anything, I think I would need to agree with him on the points he made. There is nothing wrong in making sound just judgments. If you are going to be judged as you judge others, then all that would mean is that you TOO are going to be judged soundly and justly.

How would that amount to a "punishment" on you?

With all due respect Cowboy, your obsession with the idea of punishments has just gotten way beyond anything that can even remotely be deemed reasonable.

Moreover, you continually harp on the idea that "The only reward for sin is death". Therefore the very notion of being judged as you judge others flies in the face of that. If you've sinned, you die. If you haven't then you haven't.

Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that it's a "sin" to judge others?

In the entire Old Testament God had men naturally judging each other constantly, even by your own admission. So judging others certainly couldn't have been a 'sin' in the Old Testament. Where does it say in the new testament that it's a sin to judge others?

If there's nowhere in the Bible where it says that it's a sin to judge other people, then you could hardly be 'punished' for doing something that isn't even considered to be a sin. Besides, the reward for sin is not punishment anyway, it's DEATH, remember? The only reward for sin is death, not punishment. That's your major theme. Not saying that I agree with it.

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To begin with if you judged someone to be a sinner for not believing in the Bible, then you should be judged the SAME. However, since you supposedly believe in the Bible that judgment APPLIED to you would find you being "not guilty".
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I judged no one. All i stated is Jesus says "Deny me before man and i will deny you before the father". I never said you would be denied access to heaven, never said anyone in particular would be denied the chance. Only stating what Jesus has told us.
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So in what sense would you have been "punished" for having judged others?
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I or and everyone will be judged as we judge others. We will be judged with the same harshness. Example: I know you've stolen a car before, so i judge you on this in my heart and see you as a no good thieving idiot. And with that judgement i only treat you like crap and don't show you any form of love or forgiveness for your miss-happenings. I would then be judged by Jesus with the same harshness. But again i haven't judged anyone, i've not said you or any one else in particular will burn in the lake of fire. For this wouldn't be true or an accurate anylisis for Jesus offers forgiveness. And when forgiveness is searched for with a pure heart it is received and is like you never did that mistake in the first place.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
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In the entire Old Testament God had men naturally judging each other constantly, even by your own admission. So judging others certainly couldn't have been a 'sin' in the Old Testament. Where does it say in the new testament that it's a sin to judge others?
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Yes that was with the old covenant between man and our father. Jesus completed the old covenant and brought us a new covenant to follow by.
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Luke 6:37 In the entire Old Testament God had men naturally judging each other constantly, even by your own admission. So judging others certainly couldn't have been a 'sin' in the Old Testament. Where does it say in the new testament that it's a sin to judge others?

I am just glad Christ hasn't been labelled by the FDA as a controlled substance. I think marriage should be. I mean talking about substance abuse. I am glad I have a relationship with Christ. Its been a rapture for so long. With marriage on the other hand, the rapture didn't last that long. Christ never tried to control me like the ex. Its been a give and take relationship since the beginning. Its like would like you like heartburn now or later. I like my rapture now.

Actually that statement regarding Christ being labeled by the FDA is INCORRECT! Christ has been labeled by the FDA, for Christ was a mushroom according to the work of John Marco Allegro on the Dead Sea Scrolls(Old Testament), Jan Irvin(author), and Prof Dr. John Rush. He was a mushroom, so he has been made illegal. Our 1st amendment of freedom of religion was violated by making the psilocybin substance federally illegal. Here is the 2 hour video research lecture PROOF! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedXjBSXd2Y

ENJOY!

Read a book called, "The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross" by John Marco Allegro found on www.gnosticmedia.com The answers are there. Religion is officially illegal. GG

Cowboy .....now that you have committed yourself to the notion that Jesus taught that it's a sin to judge others ....now all you have to do is present a passage from the bible where Jesus states that his believers should never judge others "ever" no matter what ...or perhaps something close to that......

of course if you can not find such a passage in the bible then will you admit that it's another example of you once again giving false testimony

it seems remiss not to notice, that one could leave "true", the "true" of "christians", "that jesus" be the ONLY GOD, and this still have no detraction upon the issue of "judging"?

for it is only "jesus" they claim as "god", or really the ONLY GOD?

so, then each writer of the text, per their own belief, was NOT GOD?

and these WRITER'S OF TEXT, indeed did JUDGE what was "good and bad"?

so much so, to pass it along to all the world?

these things written of in text then, were written "after" their "god" was "gone", so their "god" jesus, was not here to approve, nor endorse their "judgements"?

so, then these writer's of text, being NOT GODS, per the christian belief of many, are no different that ANY OTHER MORTAL?

and these writer's of text, judging, has been embraced by ALL CHRISTIANS?

but they are as but mortal's, equal to ALL OTHER MERE MORTALS?

so, should their motive be "questioned"?

it seems HUMAN'S, decide this based upon "reason to doubt intent as maximum good"?

now, each of these was "reprimanded", BY "GOD" HIMESELF, for making themself GREAT?

as they were arguing WHICH WOULD BE THE GREATEST IN HEAVEN, and thus SCOLDED AND REPRIMANDED FOR SUCH, so, it can be seen THEY WISHED TO BE GREAT?

they constantly fought, about which diciple was "the most right"?

SO, THEN PER THE BOOK ITSELF, if it be used as proof of evidence, each had proven motive and intent to decieve, by way of "false motive", for false motive by their own "god", was seeking to be great?

or, to BE IN CHARGE OF OTHER'S, as the wannabee great always seek, per the motive itself?

and this motive was damned by "jesus himself"?

AND, THESE MEN WERE NOT GOD, JUST "JESUS" PER THE BELIEF?

so, then there can be no merit given to their words, TO BE AS ANY GREATER THAN ANY OTHER MORTAL HUMAN.

and they judged, and their OWN LEADER, WHOM LED BY EXAMPLE JUDGED, so, whom could even begin to debate that to "judge not" anything, with the PERCEPTION, be a sin?

it DID NOT SAY, "TO JUDGE BE A SIN"?

and proposed that the aformentioned evidence be why.

James 4:12

12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
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Matthew 7:2

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
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Luke 6:37

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
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Look especially at Luke 6:37. "Judge NOT and ye shall not be judged: condemn NOT and ye shall not be condemned"

Looks pretty clear we are told not to judge if you ask me.

only the appethic, self seeking, self lover, without honor nor love of their own fellow man, want NOT atrocities, abuse, and harm, against any of their fellow man, TO BE DULY ADRESSED, DULY ACKKNOWLEDGED, AND DULY RECTIFIED, DULY ACKKNOWLEDGED THAT NO SUCH THING CALLED "JUSTICE" UPON PLANET EARTH COULD EXIST, LEST THEIR BE JUDGEMENT.

anything against fair and righteous judgement of human abuse, is against the very premise of fair and equal treatment of all human as equal children of life, whether some believe this to be as 'all children of "god", NOT MISSED, THAT THOSE THAT PURTORT TO BELIEVE IN "GOD", and this book called the "bible", ARE SUPPOSED TO HOLD "HUMAN LIFE IN THE HIGHEST REGARD", as this said "god" was purtorted to have CREATED "ALL LIFE"?

if "god" hath created ALL LIFE, then indeed, the will and motive and intent to preserve all life as EQUAL IN VALUE, would be the only true good motive of human inclination, such NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT JUDEGMENT OF THE HUMAN PERCEPTION, AS TO WHAT TAKE, STEAL, ABUSE, HARM HUMAN LIFE.

cool....now give some passages where Jesus say that one can judge ...you claim you are here to spread the word...so if I ask you for some bible passages from the teachings of Jesus so that I may learn his word you are required to give them ...Jesus would also want you to do so ....let's see if you read the bible and know where they are

John 5:30
30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
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So with the combination of the previously mentioned verses you can see we are not to judge, but Jesus is the judge of us all who will judge with a righteous heart.

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man" (I Cor. 2:15).

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

"Them that sin4 rebuke before all, that others also may fear" (I Tim. 5:20).

how can somebody be "rebuked for sin", without judging them?

and what was sin?

HARMING WITH INTENT ANOTHER ****ING HUMAN BEING.

15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
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When you have accepted Jesus Christ as lord and saviour you have allowed him inside you. He changes our behaviour and way of thinking. Jesus and our father works through people. So therefore the judgement that is made is because of the judgement our father has made. NOT because of the judgement YOU or I have made.