Oh, I do! I definitely do. Not just for the reasons you give (which are good reasons) but also because many of those specific individuals also seemed to have particularly hard lives. Some of them seemed to suffer from untreated or poorly treated mental problems, or were addicts, or lived in extreme poverty, or more than one of the previous.


I hope my statements are kept in context - I was responding to someone who seems to deny that a third party can reasonably, objectively conclude that the the race card is being played.

This side conversation is not about having a hostile attitude towards those people who do it, at all.




Yes, yes, yes, exactly! This is part of why we actually do have as much 'race card playing' as we do. I'm not trying to attack those who do it out of honest misunderstanding - but denying that it happens doesn't help us.

Oh but you do need to read their minds and be in their shoes 24/7/365 or you cannot be sure that you are right except in your mind which could be biased.

I have yet to see these anti obama pro tea partier be called racist on these forums. Could you please point it out to me?

I actually see the opposite happen. I see the under current of white ignorance that offends the senses of those who are non white or those who are aware of the under current and are white.

See, thats the wonderful thing about facts: they exist independent of bias. Of course I have biases, but in this case that bias motivated me to be thorough in noting the behavior of the store owners - behavior which can be factually assessed, without bias. The store owner either does or does not ask someone to put their bag behind the counter - any biases I have don't interfere with my ability to observe this basic fact.

Yeah, sure, next time I see it happen I'll comment on it. I don't read very much of the current events, anymore, so it might be a while before I do this. Also, it might be that people's posting habits have changed, and this might happen less than it used to.



I hope you don't think these are mutually exclusive.



That sounds racist to me. Just sayin.

You can't find an example of it now?

Mutually exclusive to what?

Yes, it is an undercurrent of racism so you are right. I don't even think that the people know they do it so that is why I put ignorance there instead of racism. But it happnes more than it should.

I probably could, but I'm not the least bit motivated to. That would probably require reading through silly Dem vs GOP arguments.



To each other. This comment of mine isn't really worthy of this much explanation, but since you ask:

1) Are the "anti obama pro tea partier" people being called racist on these forums?

2) Is there an undercurrent of white ignorance?

We were discussing (1), then you say that you see the opposite happen and talk about (2). All I'm saying is that these two questions are independent, they could both be true, both false, or either one true and the other false.

In other words, seeing evidence of (2) doesn't imply (1) isn't true. Thats all I was saying, and I wasn't meaning to imply that you were implying otherwise.




What I meant was, talking about "white ignorance" sounds racist to me, against white people.

I feel that anyone who says this is being racist against me, and you cannot question that, since its inhuman to question when a white person feels someone is being racist against them.

The last sentence was a joke, the one before that was serious.

ok...so...again...what's your point? sorry...you lost me somewhere back there I think...

Well, I'm not denying that it happens. I've had it played on me numerous times. Among other cards. My store requires someone be at least 18 to get in. This is what happens, not all the time but often enough, when I ask someone for their id.:
If they're white, I'm a race traitor.
If they're black, I'm a racist.
If they're straight, I'm a <insert your fav. homosexual slur here>
If they're gay, I'm a homophobe.
If they're female, I'm sexually harassing them.
ect ect ect....
Personally, I don't give a good godamn about any of that crap. As long as your money is green and I won't get fined or go to jail for selling you something, I don't care what you look like, what genetalia you like to snuggle with or pretty much anything else.
Most people get that. But a few have that knee-jerk reaction. Sometimes even when it makes no sense at all. I laughed my a$$ off the other day when one of my employees, who is black, got called a racist by a black man. And trust me. This employee could never be mistaken for anything else than of African decent.
So I guess sometimes it doesn't even matter what the clerk behind the register looks like.

My head is pounding and my brain isn't braining. I think I wanted to type more...but oh well..other points for other times...

middle and dragoness, ,,,you have both made good points


my personal opinion of it all, the race card exists and is played (by the paranoid)but not nearly as often as the denial card is (by the disgruntled, blind, and intellectually dishonest),,,

If I had known that you mean specifically in these forums, I might have agreed with you sooner. lol.

lol,,,