Topic: Are atheists smarter than religious people?
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Fri 10/08/10 07:57 PM
i agree.. up till about 200 years ago, religion was the authority on history and the sciences... if it didn't glorify god, it was deemed bad.

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Fri 10/08/10 08:06 PM

From believing that a particular stereotype is always true, to a belief that God is punishing the U.S. for allowing Jews and gays to exist, can become a fundamental basis from which all other beliefs of the individual must be gauged. In this way fundamentalism can inhibit growth both, emotionally and intellectually, and interfere with an individual’s capacity seek new experiences or to gain knowledge from experience.

Regardless of the belief (religious or otherwise), I have to admit that fundamentalism can limit intellectual capacity. In ‘some’ cases individuals find a niche, such as a social group, in which their fundamentalist positions are reinforced and even further developed. This will prohibit many from ever exploring or seeking experiences outside the safety and protection of their peer group.

HOWEVER, very often when we see the kind of comments listed in the OP, we are not witnessing the type of fundamentalism I have described, as much as we are witnessing ignorance (as in simply not having a broad and varied knowledge base), or a person who has not yet had to the kind opportunities that lead to growth from broader life experience.

Humans grow and develop through experience and as long as we remain open to new knowledge our views and values can change. But the more we limit our exposure and the less we seek life broadening experiences the greater the chances are that we will remain intellectually challenged by our fundamental beliefs.

I'm not agreeing with the OP, I'm not disagreeing, I'm simply offering another perspective.



I absolutely love this! If more people thought this way I think the world would be a better place. :thumbsup:

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Sat 10/09/10 08:29 AM



MiddleEarthling...

Your data is skewed.

The vast majority of christians, muslims, and other true religious people...

DO NOT POST. or seldom post.

Therefore you have no real way of measuring them.

Instead you get to measure using the idiots...

GIGO


You chistians gonna take that??


lol, look up above at my reply, I think I have that one covered pretty well.



*edit*
Oh yeah, I love it when someone corrects others' gramatical and spelling errors and then can't even spell "Christian" or "thought".


There's a difference between a typo and stupidity. whoa

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Sat 10/09/10 08:39 AM



MiddleEarthling...

Your data is skewed.

The vast majority of christians, muslims, and other true religious people...

DO NOT POST. or seldom post.

Therefore you have no real way of measuring them.

Instead you get to measure using the idiots...

GIGO


Don't know many people who drink the kool aid here that are not idiots. Don't believe in evolution? Idiot. Voted your faith by voting for the Dippic? Idiot. Think the GOP are the "morals party"? Idiot. Think Hitler was an atheist instead of a devout Christian? Idiot. Think gays should not have the right to marry? Idiot. Think a woman does not have a right to her own reproductive health? Idiot! Think the US is a "Christian Nation"? Idiot....heh, we got it all here.










so anyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot? you must not be able to see in your mirrors very well... i have noticed whenever someone that thinks everyone else is an idiot is usually the idiot themselves, but too stupid to know it...



Yeah. Funny thing, most people ARE idiots. This is provable. The i.q. score of 132 and above represents only 2% of the population. 2%!!! That's so depressingly low...both in points and percentage.

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Sat 10/09/10 08:51 AM

From believing that a particular stereotype is always true, to a belief that God is punishing the U.S. for allowing Jews and gays to exist, can become a fundamental basis from which all other beliefs of the individual must be gauged. In this way fundamentalism can inhibit growth both, emotionally and intellectually, and interfere with an individual’s capacity seek new experiences or to gain knowledge from experience.

Regardless of the belief (religious or otherwise), I have to admit that fundamentalism can limit intellectual capacity. In ‘some’ cases individuals find a niche, such as a social group, in which their fundamentalist positions are reinforced and even further developed. This will prohibit many from ever exploring or seeking experiences outside the safety and protection of their peer group.

HOWEVER, very often when we see the kind of comments listed in the OP, we are not witnessing the type of fundamentalism I have described, as much as we are witnessing ignorance (as in simply not having a broad and varied knowledge base), or a person who has not yet had to the kind opportunities that lead to growth from broader life experience.

Humans grow and develop through experience and as long as we remain open to new knowledge our views and values can change. But the more we limit our exposure and the less we seek life broadening experiences the greater the chances are that we will remain intellectually challenged by our fundamental beliefs.

I'm not agreeing with the OP, I'm not disagreeing, I'm simply offering another perspective.



I like this post.
You should also consider this. By exposing one's self to opposing viewpoints, one is afforded the opportunity to exaimin one's own notions of reality. If one can't or won't allow one's beliefs to be challanged, at least occassionally, one is keeping one's self from the abilty to grow and change.

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Sat 10/09/10 08:59 AM








MiddleEarthling...

Your data is skewed.

The vast majority of christians, muslims, and other true religious people...

DO NOT POST. or seldom post.

Therefore you have no real way of measuring them.

Instead you get to measure using the idiots...

GIGO


Don't know many people who drink the kool aid here that are not idiots. Don't believe in evolution? Idiot. Voted your faith by voting for the Dippic? Idiot. Think the GOP are the "morals party"? Idiot. Think Hitler was an atheist instead of a devout Christian? Idiot. Think gays should not have the right to marry? Idiot. Think a woman does not have a right to her own reproductive health? Idiot! Think the US is a "Christian Nation"? Idiot....heh, we got it all here.










so anyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot? you must not be able to see in your mirrors very well... i have noticed whenever someone that thinks everyone else is an idiot is usually the idiot themselves, but too stupid to know it...


LOL...what a crock of crap....I guess you assume I am the only one who thinks these things...well okay then! I've never claimed to be an ace but I guess I am compared to the idiots of organized religion. Of course some of them could make a rock seem smarter.



actually, i happen to agree with you on a few things, but when you say everyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot, then what makes you any different from any other religious faction that says believe me or get away from me? it's the same book, different page.
you claim to be anti religious, but your actions are the same as all the religions. your acting like the same things you gripe about so much.


What another crock of crap man...c'mon, I am only posting FOR sanity. I mean you can ignore the damage religion does all ya' want. I've seen the damage...if I can save one soul from this insanity and then they save a few maybe we can eventually end our divisions...our wars...our year down our walls. Bible literalists and other Thumpers like the con men on TV who steal money from the weak and poor, all of them defy simple reality.

How to get help! See? I am a good guy, not a "god" guy...I try to help humanity!

http://www.recoveringreligionists.com/[/ur]

Science V religion.....give me a break. Now science/atheism is a religion because it defies religion? Give me a f'ing break.





i don't disagree with you about religion...i disagree with you on the fact it is their right to be who they want to be. the laws of the constitution were based on people with your train of thought. just because they base their lives on what me or you might seem as nonsense, doesn't mean they are idiots. they have every right to the pursuit of happiness as they deem fit, regardless of what we think. if they are happy believing in a magical being that created everything, more power to them. but i cannot call them stupid because of it.


Nice post Redy....

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Sure it's their right as well is it's my right to call them out on the carpet about their insanities. I am not calling for banning religious...just pointing out the obvious...that it's a moron's morphine and it's got our country high when it should be THINKING instead. Why do Thumpers continually vote GOP? Explain that!!!

These people's leaders are corrupted, they're theives and war mongers...liars. The GOP only use the Thumpers...just like Hitler did...remember?...er....remember or to relive it...remember that?

~~~

Okay....so you're okay with them installing prayer in schools huh? How about abstinence only continued? For evey year science and rational thought grows forward too large a population of Americans want to drag it back...deny and pretend. Example GW, the GOP and their liars have about half the country disbelieving it...so here again Thumpers vote for people who will let the planet rust for short-term corporate profit. Screw this...what Thumper would care to or be able to make this distinction? LOL.

I think public ridicule is called for...haven't enough suffered to prove their god's existance? When will it end? Oh yeah...they all got that story to tell to keep the fear alive...egads.



You, like most atheists who rant about getting rid of religion, are so cute.
Like that'll EVER happen. Don't you get it? People WANT to believe in a something. It's indicative of the species. It'll never go away.
Until it kills off humanity entirely.

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Sat 10/09/10 09:48 AM




MiddleEarthling...

Your data is skewed.

The vast majority of christians, muslims, and other true religious people...

DO NOT POST. or seldom post.

Therefore you have no real way of measuring them.

Instead you get to measure using the idiots...

GIGO


You chistians gonna take that??


lol, look up above at my reply, I think I have that one covered pretty well.



*edit*
Oh yeah, I love it when someone corrects others' gramatical and spelling errors and then can't even spell "Christian" or "thought".


There's a difference between a typo and stupidity. whoa


Yes, "a" typo....

What about 2 in one word? Stupidity?

Christians :banana:

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Sat 10/09/10 05:59 PM
Christianity like most religions are for people who can't think for themselves...


Am I right or wrong?

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Sat 10/09/10 07:20 PM

Christianity like most religions are for people who can't think for themselves...


Am I right or wrong?



Statements like that are for those who have an inferiority complex.
I don't need validation, so ha!

Janny99's photo
Sat 10/09/10 11:30 PM
Deists are smarter than both!

mightymoe's photo
Sat 10/09/10 11:37 PM

Deists are smarter than both!
i won't ague that...Deism seems a logical thought process

RainbowTrout's photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:44 AM
It usually ends in a draw for me. :smile: Maybe I should try bluff poker next time. Five card stud just isn't my game. It is just like a stuck record the way it keeps playing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I don't know. Maybe I would have better luck if I was gay. Nope. My gay friends didn't have any better luck with that, either. :smile: Maybe if I didn't get infatuated with them? But then polar opposites do attract.rofl

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Sun 10/10/10 07:10 AM
I have been trying to help my Atheist Wiccan friend. Like usual she has martyred herself. I have been trying to tell her that the state doesn't care if they have to hang you on a cross or burn you on a stake. It doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not when it comes to the state. the state is going to protect itself. Don't worry about it. Just as soon as they see you were right they will have to pay you for the three day suspension. So go ahead and enjoy your time off and I will see you when you come back to work. Damned if you do and damned if you don't buddy.:smile: They damned themselves when they damned you.rofl

MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 10/10/10 07:49 AM
"Atheist Wiccan"

slaphead

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Sun 10/10/10 08:18 AM
Edited by RainbowTrout on Sun 10/10/10 08:19 AM

"Atheist Wiccan"

slaphead


Yeah. I know, right. She is getting paid for being off work and I am being paid to be at work. She is one smart lady.:smile:

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Sun 10/10/10 08:47 AM
I already got a song picked out just in case I ever want to marry one.

I will sing the first verse and she will sing the second verse.

My baloney has a first name its Oscar
My baloney has a second name its Meyer.rofl

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Sun 10/10/10 11:36 AM





MiddleEarthling...

Your data is skewed.

The vast majority of christians, muslims, and other true religious people...

DO NOT POST. or seldom post.

Therefore you have no real way of measuring them.

Instead you get to measure using the idiots...

GIGO


You chistians gonna take that??


lol, look up above at my reply, I think I have that one covered pretty well.



*edit*
Oh yeah, I love it when someone corrects others' gramatical and spelling errors and then can't even spell "Christian" or "thought".


There's a difference between a typo and stupidity. whoa


Yes, "a" typo....

What about 2 in one word? Stupidity?

Christians :banana:


uh huh. How's that glass house you're living in holding up for you?
"Grammatical" was spelled incorrectly by YOU, Sparky.
You're such a doof.

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Sun 10/10/10 11:37 AM

Christianity like most religions are for people who can't think for themselves...


Am I right or wrong?


Thinking is so HARD! It's so much easier to let others do it for you.

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Sun 10/10/10 11:45 AM


Christianity like most religions are for people who can't think for themselves...


Am I right or wrong?



Statements like that are for those who have an inferiority complex.
I don't need validation, so ha!


Or proof. Or reason. Or logic. Or knowledge. Or brains. Or kindness. Or empathy. ect ect ect..
waving

Oh...that was too easy...sorry sorry....it's just so hard to not knock 'em down when they set 'em up so well...

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Sun 10/10/10 12:20 PM



Christianity like most religions are for people who can't think for themselves...


Am I right or wrong?



Statements like that are for those who have an inferiority complex.
I don't need validation, so ha!


Or proof. Or reason. Or logic. Or knowledge. Or brains. Or kindness. Or empathy. ect ect ect..
waving

Oh...that was too easy...sorry sorry....it's just so hard to not knock 'em down when they set 'em up so well...


Like the person who can't think for themselves and needs someone to tell him he's right?

Or the "doofus" that tries to call me a dance?

Or someone who is concerned about spelling and can't spell himself? (I can still understand what a person means with or without typos or "txt speak")

Your perceived "wit" is really non-existent and quite laughable. Ad-hominems just show how un-armed and insecure you truly are.

"Damn, I bet you really despise my words, don't you?"