Topic: Scientifific Bible evidence.
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Fri 10/01/10 12:25 AM


This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus.

The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers:

Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2

Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3

Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts.

Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4

This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves.
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Archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is God's written word to us. However, archaeology can (and does) substantiate the Bible's historical accuracy. Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.7

The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records.




Not impressive. Greek mythology is thought to have been written about real people and real places and events too. Most human authors tend to write about what's going on around them.

The question isn't whether or not these events took place, but whether or not the claims of supernatural events took place.

Take humans in this very day. When they write about events they never get their stories straight when it comes to what actually happened. In fact, people write about UFO abductions and everything else. Often times there are indeed events that spark those writings.

I have no doubt at all that a man named Jesus lived, preached against the horrible moral teachings of the Torah, and was crucified for blaspheme. I believe all that probably did indeed happen. It's easy to believe of people who lived in those crude times.

I'm also not the least bit surprised that all these absurd religious rumors came out of it, because it's also well-known that people in that era did indeed believe in these kinds of superstitions.

None of this give any credence to the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin, raised from the dead, or even made the precise quotes that the authors of the New Testament attribute to him.

I mean, if you like this fable, more power to you. But using it to insult other people's religious beliefs is just plain ignorant. They probably have a lot of historical evidence for their creation stories too.

The bottom line for me is that the overall story of a jealous God is utterly absurd. So what good is the rest? An egotistical jealous God makes no sense. The rest is moot.

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Fri 10/01/10 05:10 AM




They burry the deceased. That's not "dead". Again, the only reward for sin is death. We will ALL become deceased, but we won't all become dead. In a secular world that is dead, but in the real world that is merely passing away, deceased, not DEAD.


This quote SO reminds me of a Monty Python skit involving a dea...errrr... deceased parrot.

-Kerry O. "I'm here for my free argument..."


it reminds me of "Lord of the Rings" while traveling to the elves Eragon asked the hobbits why where they stopping and the hobbit replied to eat breakfast and Eragon said but you already ate breakfast and the hobbit said that was first breakfast this is second breakfast

and it reminds me when Ernst Stavro Blofeld said to James Bond..."you only live twice Mr.Bond"

which is why once you die and leave the physical body your dead...if you exist after that your technically now a ghost and no longer alive...this is why religion is the same as a belief in the paranormal ...


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Fri 10/01/10 05:25 AM

Here's the definition for second death

second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28).


second death does explain why Jesus has not come back or will never come back ...since Jesus already supposedly died on the cross this would constitute as being his first death...and since he was later supposedly re-introduced back into his physical body he is now alive...and since there are no physical bodies in Heaven then that would mean that Jesus must face a second death to get there ....

this second death stuff now places Christianity into a condundrum ...because it suggests that Jesus is the false prophet whose second death will result him to be placed into the lake of fire

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Fri 10/01/10 09:17 AM


Here's the definition for second death

second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28).


second death does explain why Jesus has not come back or will never come back ...since Jesus already supposedly died on the cross this would constitute as being his first death...and since he was later supposedly re-introduced back into his physical body he is now alive...and since there are no physical bodies in Heaven then that would mean that Jesus must face a second death to get there ....

this second death stuff now places Christianity into a condundrum ...because it suggests that Jesus is the false prophet whose second death will result him to be placed into the lake of fire


LoL, that's all twisted up. Second death is as it says if and when God sends both soul and body to hell.

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Fri 10/01/10 09:18 AM



Our father hates no one.


If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.


And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are?


If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.

I have never claimed that "Our Creator" is a bad parent.

That's your misunderstanding.

All I have ever said is that the God depicted in the Biblical stories is a horrible example of a parent.

However, since I don't believe that those stories have anything to do with "Our Creator", then I'm clearly not suggesting what you are attempting to claim. I am not suggesting that "Our Creator" is a poor parent. On the contrary, I'm saying that I refuse to believe in the Biblical picture of God because I don't believe that "Our Creator" is that unwise, sick, and demented.

In other words, I refuse to insult "Our Creator" by believing that a bunch of male-chauvinistic idiots speak for him.

You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem at all insulting "Our Creator" by demanding that these stories do indeed describe "him".

So who's truly insulting "Our Creator"?

The person who believes that "Our Creator" is far wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

OR the person who demands that "Our Creator" isn't any wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

Who's insulting "Our Creator"? huh

As far as I can see, to even believe in the Bible is an automatic insult to "Our Creator".




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If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.
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Why do you say as such? The bible NEVER tells us of any time, place, or being that our father hates. The father loves EVERYONE no matter what. With that love comes punishment to mold us into great of a person, same reasoning someone punishes their child.
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If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.
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With this you're insinuating that our father is a bad parent. What evidence do you have to support such an accusation? What has our father done that was so horrible as to where his children would deny him?


So...all those stories about God commanding the killing or enslaving whole populations, that was done out of love? If that's God's love, he IS a sick and twisted little freak now, isn't he. And quite frankly, he can keep his "love".
And as far as He being a father figure, what kind of "father" says to some of his children, "Hey, go over there and KILL all your brothers and sisters. And all their kids too. Why? Because I like you better than them. They pissed me off."?
I'll tell you. A really f'ed up father.

Personally, if I die and stand before God, I'll simply ask if the Bible is more or less true. If it is, I'll be happy to cuss God out and jump into Hell. Satan was right in his rebellion and he could use a few pointers in tactics.

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Fri 10/01/10 09:28 AM




Our father hates no one.


If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.


And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are?


If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.

I have never claimed that "Our Creator" is a bad parent.

That's your misunderstanding.

All I have ever said is that the God depicted in the Biblical stories is a horrible example of a parent.

However, since I don't believe that those stories have anything to do with "Our Creator", then I'm clearly not suggesting what you are attempting to claim. I am not suggesting that "Our Creator" is a poor parent. On the contrary, I'm saying that I refuse to believe in the Biblical picture of God because I don't believe that "Our Creator" is that unwise, sick, and demented.

In other words, I refuse to insult "Our Creator" by believing that a bunch of male-chauvinistic idiots speak for him.

You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem at all insulting "Our Creator" by demanding that these stories do indeed describe "him".

So who's truly insulting "Our Creator"?

The person who believes that "Our Creator" is far wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

OR the person who demands that "Our Creator" isn't any wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

Who's insulting "Our Creator"? huh

As far as I can see, to even believe in the Bible is an automatic insult to "Our Creator".




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If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.
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Why do you say as such? The bible NEVER tells us of any time, place, or being that our father hates. The father loves EVERYONE no matter what. With that love comes punishment to mold us into great of a person, same reasoning someone punishes their child.
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If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.
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With this you're insinuating that our father is a bad parent. What evidence do you have to support such an accusation? What has our father done that was so horrible as to where his children would deny him?


So...all those stories about God commanding the killing or enslaving whole populations, that was done out of love? If that's God's love, he IS a sick and twisted little freak now, isn't he. And quite frankly, he can keep his "love".
And as far as He being a father figure, what kind of "father" says to some of his children, "Hey, go over there and KILL all your brothers and sisters. And all their kids too. Why? Because I like you better than them. They pissed me off."?
I'll tell you. A really f'ed up father.

Personally, if I die and stand before God, I'll simply ask if the Bible is more or less true. If it is, I'll be happy to cuss God out and jump into Hell. Satan was right in his rebellion and he could use a few pointers in tactics.
i am my brothers keeperlaugh

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Fri 10/01/10 09:51 AM



This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus.

The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers:

Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2

Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3

Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts.

Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4

This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves.
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Archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is God's written word to us. However, archaeology can (and does) substantiate the Bible's historical accuracy. Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.7

The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records.




hmmmmmmmm, now we have historical evidence and scientific evidence. If all this evidence points it to be true, why would we only pick and choose what may be true in the bible? Why would it not be safe to think the rest of it is to since it can't be proven either way? Or well hasn't been proven. More has been proven true about the accounts of the bible then proven false, for the simple reason NOTHING has been PROVEN false about the bible. But yet things have been proven true....... hmmmmmm.


ummm...yeah, except, all the stories written about your Jesus the Christ were written a minimum of 70 yrs, or at least 3 generations, AFTER he had supposedly died. From stories passed down by word of mouth.
At the supposed time of your Jesus, there were at least 3 other people running around claiming they were the Christ.
Pretty much everything written about your Jesus, were also written about other godlike people, hundreds and in some cases, thousands of years before your Jesus's time.
And as far as different popular books of mythos having similar refereces to a popular character goes, it's not much of a stretch to see that often such books borrowed from each other as well as the popular culture of the time.
The mere fact that books written at any particular time would use real places as settings for their stories means nothing more than the writers needed a place for their stories to take place. In other words, just because a place is real, doesn't mean the stories written about that place are also real.

And actually, quite a lot of the stories in the bible have been proven false. Absolutely false. There are no records absolutely any where, except in the bible, that the Egyptians ever owned Jewish slaves.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of a world wide flood. None. Nada. Zip. And people have looked. Really hard too.

Those are just 2 examples of the stories in the bible being wrong. No question about it. Look it up. You'll see. Now, if any part of the bible can be proven to be absolutely wrong, doesn't that mean all the rest of it probably isn't all that true as well?

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Fri 10/01/10 09:53 AM




This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus.

The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers:

Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2

Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3

Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts.

Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4

This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves.
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Archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is God's written word to us. However, archaeology can (and does) substantiate the Bible's historical accuracy. Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.7

The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records.




hmmmmmmmm, now we have historical evidence and scientific evidence. If all this evidence points it to be true, why would we only pick and choose what may be true in the bible? Why would it not be safe to think the rest of it is to since it can't be proven either way? Or well hasn't been proven. More has been proven true about the accounts of the bible then proven false, for the simple reason NOTHING has been PROVEN false about the bible. But yet things have been proven true....... hmmmmmm.


ummm...yeah, except, all the stories written about your Jesus the Christ were written a minimum of 70 yrs, or at least 3 generations, AFTER he had supposedly died. From stories passed down by word of mouth.
At the supposed time of your Jesus, there were at least 3 other people running around claiming they were the Christ.
Pretty much everything written about your Jesus, were also written about other godlike people, hundreds and in some cases, thousands of years before your Jesus's time.
And as far as different popular books of mythos having similar refereces to a popular character goes, it's not much of a stretch to see that often such books borrowed from each other as well as the popular culture of the time.
The mere fact that books written at any particular time would use real places as settings for their stories means nothing more than the writers needed a place for their stories to take place. In other words, just because a place is real, doesn't mean the stories written about that place are also real.

And actually, quite a lot of the stories in the bible have been proven false. Absolutely false. There are no records absolutely any where, except in the bible, that the Egyptians ever owned Jewish slaves.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of a world wide flood. None. Nada. Zip. And people have looked. Really hard too.

Those are just 2 examples of the stories in the bible being wrong. No question about it. Look it up. You'll see. Now, if any part of the bible can be proven to be absolutely wrong, doesn't that mean all the rest of it probably isn't all that true as well?
let them believe what they want when they die as i typed before they'll be disappointed

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Fri 10/01/10 09:54 AM




Our father hates no one.


If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.


And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are?


If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.

I have never claimed that "Our Creator" is a bad parent.

That's your misunderstanding.

All I have ever said is that the God depicted in the Biblical stories is a horrible example of a parent.

However, since I don't believe that those stories have anything to do with "Our Creator", then I'm clearly not suggesting what you are attempting to claim. I am not suggesting that "Our Creator" is a poor parent. On the contrary, I'm saying that I refuse to believe in the Biblical picture of God because I don't believe that "Our Creator" is that unwise, sick, and demented.

In other words, I refuse to insult "Our Creator" by believing that a bunch of male-chauvinistic idiots speak for him.

You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem at all insulting "Our Creator" by demanding that these stories do indeed describe "him".

So who's truly insulting "Our Creator"?

The person who believes that "Our Creator" is far wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

OR the person who demands that "Our Creator" isn't any wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews?

Who's insulting "Our Creator"? huh

As far as I can see, to even believe in the Bible is an automatic insult to "Our Creator".




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If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible.
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Why do you say as such? The bible NEVER tells us of any time, place, or being that our father hates. The father loves EVERYONE no matter what. With that love comes punishment to mold us into great of a person, same reasoning someone punishes their child.
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If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me.
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With this you're insinuating that our father is a bad parent. What evidence do you have to support such an accusation? What has our father done that was so horrible as to where his children would deny him?


So...all those stories about God commanding the killing or enslaving whole populations, that was done out of love? If that's God's love, he IS a sick and twisted little freak now, isn't he. And quite frankly, he can keep his "love".
And as far as He being a father figure, what kind of "father" says to some of his children, "Hey, go over there and KILL all your brothers and sisters. And all their kids too. Why? Because I like you better than them. They pissed me off."?
I'll tell you. A really f'ed up father.

Personally, if I die and stand before God, I'll simply ask if the Bible is more or less true. If it is, I'll be happy to cuss God out and jump into Hell. Satan was right in his rebellion and he could use a few pointers in tactics.


Deuteronomy 15:12-15
12 If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.
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Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him
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Colossians 4:1
Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
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As you can see it's not the same as the slavery the world has seen in the past recent of years. It's quite different, it wasn't cruel or evil, it was fair and caring. And it also if you notice wasn't "forced" these men and women sold themselves to the person, thus it's like employment to an extent. These people were willing to be this person's slave, or that person's slave.

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Fri 10/01/10 10:02 AM
where did god come from?huh simple from the imagination of man

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Fri 10/01/10 10:06 AM



Here's the definition for second death

second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28).


second death does explain why Jesus has not come back or will never come back ...since Jesus already supposedly died on the cross this would constitute as being his first death...and since he was later supposedly re-introduced back into his physical body he is now alive...and since there are no physical bodies in Heaven then that would mean that Jesus must face a second death to get there ....

this second death stuff now places Christianity into a condundrum ...because it suggests that Jesus is the false prophet whose second death will result him to be placed into the lake of fire


LoL, that's all twisted up. Second death is as it says if and when God sends both soul and body to hell.


if you actually know about your religion then you would know that the point I'm trying to make isn't to twist things...so allow me to explain it to you again ...according to your christian belief there are no physical bodies in Heaven which means one must die from their physical existence here on Earth or wherever in order to enter Heaven

according to the bible Jesus died and was resurrected back into his physical body...that means that he would have to die again from his physical body in order to enter Heaven....so either Jesus had to have a second death or he never enter Heaven because he is the false prophet

so now all you have to do is explain what happen to his physical body ...according to the bible

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Fri 10/01/10 10:06 AM

where did god come from?huh simple from the imagination of man


Revelations 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

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Fri 10/01/10 10:08 AM


where did god come from?huh simple from the imagination of man


Revelations 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty
still doesnt explain how your creator was created

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 10/01/10 10:08 AM




Here's the definition for second death

second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28).


second death does explain why Jesus has not come back or will never come back ...since Jesus already supposedly died on the cross this would constitute as being his first death...and since he was later supposedly re-introduced back into his physical body he is now alive...and since there are no physical bodies in Heaven then that would mean that Jesus must face a second death to get there ....

this second death stuff now places Christianity into a condundrum ...because it suggests that Jesus is the false prophet whose second death will result him to be placed into the lake of fire


LoL, that's all twisted up. Second death is as it says if and when God sends both soul and body to hell.


if you actually know about your religion then you would know that the point I'm trying to make isn't to twist things...so allow me to explain it to you again ...according to your christian belief there are no physical bodies in Heaven which means one must die from their physical existence here on Earth or wherever in order to enter Heaven

according to the bible Jesus died and was resurrected back into his physical body...that means that he would have to die again from his physical body in order to enter Heaven....so either Jesus had to have a second death or he never enter Heaven because he is the false prophet

so now all you have to do is explain what happen to his physical body ...according to the bible


doesn't matter. The second death is specifically your body and soul being cast into hell. Bottom line, weather someone on earth dies 3 or 4 times. Heck i've been clinically dead for 40 minutes, so guess next time i die on earth will be my second death? NO!! The second death is specifically being cast into hell.

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Fri 10/01/10 10:37 AM





Here's the definition for second death

second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28).


second death does explain why Jesus has not come back or will never come back ...since Jesus already supposedly died on the cross this would constitute as being his first death...and since he was later supposedly re-introduced back into his physical body he is now alive...and since there are no physical bodies in Heaven then that would mean that Jesus must face a second death to get there ....

this second death stuff now places Christianity into a condundrum ...because it suggests that Jesus is the false prophet whose second death will result him to be placed into the lake of fire


LoL, that's all twisted up. Second death is as it says if and when God sends both soul and body to hell.


if you actually know about your religion then you would know that the point I'm trying to make isn't to twist things...so allow me to explain it to you again ...according to your christian belief there are no physical bodies in Heaven which means one must die from their physical existence here on Earth or wherever in order to enter Heaven

according to the bible Jesus died and was resurrected back into his physical body...that means that he would have to die again from his physical body in order to enter Heaven....so either Jesus had to have a second death or he never enter Heaven because he is the false prophet

so now all you have to do is explain what happen to his physical body ...according to the bible


doesn't matter. The second death is specifically your body and soul being cast into hell. Bottom line, weather someone on earth dies 3 or 4 times. Heck i've been clinically dead for 40 minutes, so guess next time i die on earth will be my second death? NO!! The second death is specifically being cast into hell.


that's the fun part....if you can not explain according to the bible what happen to the physical body of Jesus then he didn't die a second death and entered Heaven ...that would make him the false prophet that God warn believers about

so can you explain what happen to Jesus physical body? ...according to the bible

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Fri 10/01/10 10:59 AM

Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him



There you go. You've just shown a blatant contradiction in the Bible. Ephesians claims that there is no favoritism with God, yet this whole entire fable is based on the utter absudity that the Hebrews are God's favored people! whoa

So the authors of these stories are tripping over each other's lies all the time.

It's clearly a false fable. There can be no question about it. These guys can never get their story straight.

You've just clarified how utterly absurd this fable truly is. There's no need to seek out external "evidence" concerning the truth or falsity of these stories, we can clearly see that they are constantly contradicting themselves just within the story itself.


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Fri 10/01/10 11:05 AM


Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him



There you go. You've just shown a blatant contradiction in the Bible. Ephesians claims that there is no favoritism with God, yet this whole entire fable is based on the utter absudity that the Hebrews are God's favored people! whoa

So the authors of these stories are tripping over each other's lies all the time.

It's clearly a false fable. There can be no question about it. These guys can never get their story straight.

You've just clarified how utterly absurd this fable truly is. There's no need to seek out external "evidence" concerning the truth or falsity of these stories, we can clearly see that they are constantly contradicting themselves just within the story itself.




Where does it say hebrews are God's FAVORED people? I've never once seen or heard anything of such.

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Fri 10/01/10 11:10 AM

doesn't matter. The second death is specifically your body and soul being cast into hell. Bottom line, weather someone on earth dies 3 or 4 times. Heck i've been clinically dead for 40 minutes, so guess next time i die on earth will be my second death? NO!! The second death is specifically being cast into hell.


Cast into hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell for humans?

In fact, I'm absolutely certain that you rejected that concept not very long ago at all. Your stance was that we either perish or have everlasting life, and you rejected any notion of "hell" for humans. You used to argue that "hell" was a place for Satan only, and has nothing to do with humans.

Have you changed your belief on that one? spock


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Fri 10/01/10 11:11 AM



Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him



There you go. You've just shown a blatant contradiction in the Bible. Ephesians claims that there is no favoritism with God, yet this whole entire fable is based on the utter absudity that the Hebrews are God's favored people! whoa

So the authors of these stories are tripping over each other's lies all the time.

It's clearly a false fable. There can be no question about it. These guys can never get their story straight.

You've just clarified how utterly absurd this fable truly is. There's no need to seek out external "evidence" concerning the truth or falsity of these stories, we can clearly see that they are constantly contradicting themselves just within the story itself.




Where does it say hebrews are God's FAVORED people? I've never once seen or heard anything of such.


Unless you are speaking of God's chosen people. In that case,
There is a terrible misconception by many, if not most Christians, that the Jews of the country called Israel are God's chosen people, and we must never say anything against them; If we do we will be cursed by God, because of what He said to Abraham. "And I will make of thee a great nation and I will bless thee, and will make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing; And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." (Genesis 12:2-3.)

That great nation is not the country of Israel or the Jewish people of today. The name, "Israel," was given to Jacob, Abraham's grandson. Jacob's 12 sons were literally the children of Israel. The word Israel in Hebrew means: "He strives with God and prevales." Christians are figuratively or symbolicly the children of Israel. Christians have become children of Israel through Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant.

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Fri 10/01/10 11:13 AM


doesn't matter. The second death is specifically your body and soul being cast into hell. Bottom line, weather someone on earth dies 3 or 4 times. Heck i've been clinically dead for 40 minutes, so guess next time i die on earth will be my second death? NO!! The second death is specifically being cast into hell.


Cast into hell?

I thought you didn't believe in hell for humans?

In fact, I'm absolutely certain that you rejected that concept not very long ago at all. Your stance was that we either perish or have everlasting life, and you rejected any notion of "hell" for humans. You used to argue that "hell" was a place for Satan only, and has nothing to do with humans.

Have you changed your belief on that one? spock




No i did not. People will be cast into hell, then hell is demolished in the end of time. I only denied the common theme and belief of hell and ever lasting punishment. The ones that are cast into hell will be destroyed for ever when hell is destroyed in the end of times.