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this is for COWBOYGH. dont you just love it.the wisdom weas there thousands of years before man got his head out of his butt. but now unfortunately modern man has put his head back where the sun/SON. doesn't shine. Keep riding the storm out brother. 
if man has his head up his butt...wouldn't that be because God made man in his own image Not only that, but this old religious fable is a product of the Dark Ages. So why is anyone even bothering to preach it? Talk about getting our heads out of our butts? Seems to me the best way to do that is to quit worshiping a bunch of ancient male-chauvinist pigs who claimed that they were God's "Chosen People". Why would God have chosen such an ignorant society as his favorite people? Moreover, if anyone takes the time to actually read these old fables, especially the "New Testament" they should be able to clearly see that most of what the authors of those gospels "Claimed" didn't even come from Jesus himself. For example: Did Jesus claim to have been born of a virgin woman? No. Did Jesus claim to be the "Only Begotten Son" of Yahweh? No. Did Jesus demand that anyone believe in him? No. Did Jesus claim to be God? No. In fact, even the gospels have Jesus saying, "Ye are gods". Did Jesus claim that saints rose from the dead? No. Did Jesus claim to be the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh? No. Almost everything that the authors of these gospels demand that we believe about Jesus didn't even come from Jesus himself even according to these very authors. It's all hearsay from totally unreliable sources. Jesus is just used as a dead marionette doll to create a religion that Jesus himself never even had in mind, nor did he even suggest. In fact, even the Gospels confess that Jesus said the following: Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. All of these authors agree that Jesus, who was clearly speaking live to people, told everyone that everything he had to say would be fulfilled before their generation had passed. Also, there is nowhere in any of the gospels where Jesus instructed anyone to write any books for future generations. So this is an ancient dead fable that is totally nonsensical to even think about some 2000+ years later. 
Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live. He was either a "doomsday" preacher preachings "Heaven is at Hand". Or he was a pantheist preaching pantheism. Take your choice. But in no way could these scriptures apply to today's generation some 2000+ years after his passing. Even by HIS OWN WORD (if you can believe these gospels speak for him at all) So it's utterly silly to worship this fable today. |
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christians will find out when they die,that they wish they were alive again....oh the disappointment
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They burry the deceased. That's not "dead". Again, the only reward for sin is death. We will ALL become deceased, but we won't all become dead. In a secular world that is dead, but in the real world that is merely passing away, deceased, not DEAD. This quote SO reminds me of a Monty Python skit involving a dea...errrr... deceased parrot. -Kerry O. "I'm here for my free argument..." |
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Does anyone not get the irony of the topic with it's title? "Topic: Scientifific Bible evidence." 
I know I read the part over and over again where Jesus is lecturing his disciples about the Laplace Transform and how it can be used to turn integral and differential equations into polynomial equations that are easier to solve. From there, it's a simple matter to show how water functions can converge and turn into wine in the time domain. And, using a derived cumulative distribution function, two fish and a loaf of bread can be made to feed thousands-- but this problem is left as an exercise for the student to solve. Show your work. -Kerry O. "See, I'll bet you didn't know that the funny curlique 'f' thingy in calculus _really_ stands for 'faith'" |
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Funches wrote:
Death is also refered to as "giving up the ghost" and/or "kicking the bucket" ...a name change does not change the outcome...it's still death It's funny you should mention this in this thread, because this is the very cliche that Matthew uses in the gospels. Matthew 27: [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. Matthew recognized that Jesus "died" on the cross. He "yeilded up the ghost" meaning that his soul or spirit left his body. However, later, they have Jesus being 'resurrected' in his physical body again. What would be the point to that? 
If in spiritual form we are 'ghosts' then there's no need to a physical body. If Jesus was a truly spiritual being he could have just appeared to people as a ghost after he had died. The idea that he would need to "repossess" his deceased physical body to be 'resurrected' in spiritual life is an insane idea. That's what I mean about this whole religion being based on archaic superstitious ideas. Also, later then have Jesus 'ascending' into heaven in his physical body? That would imply that heaven is physical and that to live in heaven you must take with you the physical body that you had in this life. The whole mythology is utterly absurd. It's just amazing how many people buy into this thing and take it 'seriously' when it's so ridiculous. If Jesus truly was some sort of divine being he wouldn't have needed to repossess his physical body in order to be "resurrected". The very idea of a "resurrection" is an absurd idea. That's a human ideal. People are so anxious to defeat "death" as we know it that they can't even imagine a 'spiritual' world. What they truly want is to keep their physical bodies! I don't care what kind of wisdom the man Jesus might have taught. The rumors that surround this man are utterly absurd. He may have taught some fairly good wisdom, but he wasn't "raised from the dead" in a physical body like a zombie to "live again" in some physical heaven. If there's any truth at all to a spiritual essence to life, it can't possibly be anything at all like the Christian mythology claims. You simply wouldn't need old dead bodies that have been nailed to a pole and stabbed with a spear in order to be 'resurrected' in some spiritual heaven. That's just an utterly absurd fable right there. This truly proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that these ancient Hebrew myths about Jesus can't possibly be true. At least not in the details. And if we can't trust the details of these stories, then what can we trust? May as well just recognize that they are total fabrications from the word go. Or perhaps I should say; from the word 'god'. 
These clearly aren't the 'word' of any god. They are just the hopes and dreams of an oppressed society that really needed to believe in something more than what this life has to offer. That's all these rumors amount to really. |
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CowboyGH
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this is for COWBOYGH. dont you just love it.the wisdom weas there thousands of years before man got his head out of his butt. but now unfortunately modern man has put his head back where the sun/SON. doesn't shine. Keep riding the storm out brother.
if man has his head up his butt...wouldn't that be because God made man in his own image Not only that, but this old religious fable is a product of the Dark Ages. So why is anyone even bothering to preach it? Talk about getting our heads out of our butts? Seems to me the best way to do that is to quit worshiping a bunch of ancient male-chauvinist pigs who claimed that they were God's "Chosen People". Why would God have chosen such an ignorant society as his favorite people? Moreover, if anyone takes the time to actually read these old fables, especially the "New Testament" they should be able to clearly see that most of what the authors of those gospels "Claimed" didn't even come from Jesus himself. For example: Did Jesus claim to have been born of a virgin woman? No. Did Jesus claim to be the "Only Begotten Son" of Yahweh? No. Did Jesus demand that anyone believe in him? No. Did Jesus claim to be God? No. In fact, even the gospels have Jesus saying, "Ye are gods". Did Jesus claim that saints rose from the dead? No. Did Jesus claim to be the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh? No. Almost everything that the authors of these gospels demand that we believe about Jesus didn't even come from Jesus himself even according to these very authors. It's all hearsay from totally unreliable sources. Jesus is just used as a dead marionette doll to create a religion that Jesus himself never even had in mind, nor did he even suggest. In fact, even the Gospels confess that Jesus said the following: Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. All of these authors agree that Jesus, who was clearly speaking live to people, told everyone that everything he had to say would be fulfilled before their generation had passed. Also, there is nowhere in any of the gospels where Jesus instructed anyone to write any books for future generations. So this is an ancient dead fable that is totally nonsensical to even think about some 2000+ years later.
Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live. He was either a "doomsday" preacher preachings "Heaven is at Hand". Or he was a pantheist preaching pantheism. Take your choice. But in no way could these scriptures apply to today's generation some 2000+ years after his passing. Even by HIS OWN WORD (if you can believe these gospels speak for him at all) So it's utterly silly to worship this fable today. Did Jesus claim to have been born of a virgin woman? No. ========================= And now that we've established Jesus was the begotten child of our father, then it would be safe to link him to the Isaiah verse of the virgin giving birth to a child. Did Jesus claim to be the "Only Begotten Son" of Yahweh? No. ========================= Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ----------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah is the prophecy of Jesus in the old testament. And the Matthew verse is from his crucifixion. Since in the old testament they prophesied about the coming of the lord, Jesus then claimed to be the Lord through his life, then during his crucifiction our father told us this was his child, this shows Jesus was the person prophesied and that he was the son of God. The bible nor any other source claims anyone else to be any begotten child of our father, thus Jesus is the only begotten child of our father. ==================================== Did Jesus demand that anyone believe in him? No. ========================= John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me ========================== Did Jesus claim to be God? No. ========================== John 10:30 - I and the Father are One. =========================== In fact, even the gospels have Jesus saying, "Ye are gods". =========================== God is a generic name given to our father due to other beliefs. Has to have a general name as to not be claiming a specific religion in definitions. Our father of which we call God, isn't God per say, he is father. We are all children of God, if you see a kitten what would that kitten's parent be? A cat, so therefore since we are all children of God and we are all Gods our father is therefore then a god as well ============================ Did Jesus claim that saints rose from the dead? No. ============================ No body ever claimed saints rose from the dead, it was Jesus that rose from the dead ============================ Did Jesus claim to be the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh? No. ============================ John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -------------------------------------------------------- He may not have claimed to be specifically the sacrificial lamb. But before Jesus walked the earth people would gain satisfaction with our father by sacrificing things in his name, eg., the family best bull and so on. But now that Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we no longer have to do as such. We only need to believe in Jesus and still continue to try our hardest for our father, but Jesus sacrificed himself for when we do make mistakes, it won't condemn us. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= How do you know of such? Who's to say we aren't still considered that generation? Who's to say the entire human race till the second coming of Jesus isn't considered one generation? Cause just a few thousands years compared to eternity isn't all that much, therefore a generation for our father may be a looooot longer then it is in our eyes. |
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Abracadabra
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= How do you know of such? Who's to say we aren't still considered that generation? Who's to say the entire human race till the second coming of Jesus isn't considered one generation? Cause just a few thousands years compared to eternity isn't all that much, therefore a generation for our father may be a looooot longer then it is in our eyes. Look at how you really have to stretch things way out of anything that can even remotely be considered to be reasonable, just to try to keep this horror story alive. Moreover, the quote you quoted by John is highly questionable. Because it was John himself who made the claim that Jesus was the "Only Begotten Son" of God. The only way in which Jesus claimed to be "god" was when he said "The Father and I are one". But that's a pantheistic statement, and Jesus also said, "Ye are gods", so that fits in with the idea that he was a pantheist as well. The problem with these "gospels" is that we really have nothing at all that was actually written by Jesus himself. All we have is hearsay from all these other people. This is why it's impossible to place your "faith" in Jesus. Jesus never gave you that option. He only gave that option to the people he spoke to directly. Everyone else would need to place their faith in "hearsay" not in Jesus. Why you insist on using Jesus to spread hatred and division throughout the world is beyond me. Even the gospels have Jesus saying to those that he spoke to in person that he would not judge those who do not believe him. John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Therefore the Christians are totally out of line demanding that everyone throughout the world must believe in Jesus, because even Jesus himself said that this is not important. Now I know that you're going to come right back with the verse that follows this thinking that this somehow supports the Christian view, but it does not. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. All that tells you is that Jesus is not the judge as you continually preach. Jesus himself is confessing here that he is not the judge, but rather our creator is our judge. So it's not important to believe in Jesus or Christianity. If you're a Buddhist and you believe in karma then you already know that you'll be judged. In fact, you even have a really good idea of precisely how the judging process works! Yet somehow this whole Christian religion has become entirely obsessed with some insane idea that a belief in Jesus is paramount and that Jesus is somehow the "judge". But that's not even what was being claimed even remotely. Jesus was preaching the philosophy of Eastern Mysticism. If you think that Eastern Mysticism doesn't contain "judgment" then you're just ignorant of the religion. It most certainly does. It's all taken care of through karma. Jesus understood this. Christians have taken Jesus and made him into an idol. They use him for idol worship. Deepak Chopra said it best I think. He said something to the effect of, "If I point my finger in a direction to show you the way, I certainly hope that you go in that direction and not just stand there worshiping my finger". But that's precisely what the Christians are doing. Jesus showed the way to Nirvana. But instead of just following the map that Jesus laid out, the Christians have instead made Jesus himself into an idol and they have become obsessed with worshiping HIM. And what makes it far worse is that instead of following him, all they do is stand around preaching to others that it's important to "Worship" Jesus. Jesus didn't want to be worshiped. He was simply showing the way is all. He was a Buddha Bodhisattva. But the Christians have turned him into an icon of hate. All they do is use Jesus as an excuse to put down everyone who doesn't worship their demented view of Jesus. They've turned Jesus into a figure of idol worship. It's truly sad. |
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= How do you know of such? Who's to say we aren't still considered that generation? Who's to say the entire human race till the second coming of Jesus isn't considered one generation? Cause just a few thousands years compared to eternity isn't all that much, therefore a generation for our father may be a looooot longer then it is in our eyes. Look at how you really have to stretch things way out of anything that can even remotely be considered to be reasonable, just to try to keep this horror story alive. Moreover, the quote you quoted by John is highly questionable. Because it was John himself who made the claim that Jesus was the "Only Begotten Son" of God. The only way in which Jesus claimed to be "god" was when he said "The Father and I are one". But that's a pantheistic statement, and Jesus also said, "Ye are gods", so that fits in with the idea that he was a pantheist as well. The problem with these "gospels" is that we really have nothing at all that was actually written by Jesus himself. All we have is hearsay from all these other people. This is why it's impossible to place your "faith" in Jesus. Jesus never gave you that option. He only gave that option to the people he spoke to directly. Everyone else would need to place their faith in "hearsay" not in Jesus. Why you insist on using Jesus to spread hatred and division throughout the world is beyond me. Even the gospels have Jesus saying to those that he spoke to in person that he would not judge those who do not believe him. John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Therefore the Christians are totally out of line demanding that everyone throughout the world must believe in Jesus, because even Jesus himself said that this is not important. Now I know that you're going to come right back with the verse that follows this thinking that this somehow supports the Christian view, but it does not. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. All that tells you is that Jesus is not the judge as you continually preach. Jesus himself is confessing here that he is not the judge, but rather our creator is our judge. So it's not important to believe in Jesus or Christianity. If you're a Buddhist and you believe in karma then you already know that you'll be judged. In fact, you even have a really good idea of precisely how the judging process works! Yet somehow this whole Christian religion has become entirely obsessed with some insane idea that a belief in Jesus is paramount and that Jesus is somehow the "judge". But that's not even what was being claimed even remotely. Jesus was preaching the philosophy of Eastern Mysticism. If you think that Eastern Mysticism doesn't contain "judgment" then you're just ignorant of the religion. It most certainly does. It's all taken care of through karma. Jesus understood this. Christians have taken Jesus and made him into an idol. They use him for idol worship. Deepak Chopra said it best I think. He said something to the effect of, "If I point my finger in a direction to show you the way, I certainly hope that you go in that direction and not just stand there worshiping my finger". But that's precisely what the Christians are doing. Jesus showed the way to Nirvana. But instead of just following the map that Jesus laid out, the Christians have instead made Jesus himself into an idol and they have become obsessed with worshiping HIM. And what makes it far worse is that instead of following him, all they do is stand around preaching to others that it's important to "Worship" Jesus. Jesus didn't want to be worshiped. He was simply showing the way is all. He was a Buddha Bodhisattva. But the Christians have turned him into an icon of hate. All they do is use Jesus as an excuse to put down everyone who doesn't worship their demented view of Jesus. They've turned Jesus into a figure of idol worship. It's truly sad. No Jesus isn't an idol. Jesus is the path the way the light. No one comes to the father but by him. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. |
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Even according to these gospels Jesus wasn't talking to us, he was only speaking to the current generation to which he spoke to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= How do you know of such? Who's to say we aren't still considered that generation? Who's to say the entire human race till the second coming of Jesus isn't considered one generation? Cause just a few thousands years compared to eternity isn't all that much, therefore a generation for our father may be a looooot longer then it is in our eyes. Look at how you really have to stretch things way out of anything that can even remotely be considered to be reasonable, just to try to keep this horror story alive. Moreover, the quote you quoted by John is highly questionable. Because it was John himself who made the claim that Jesus was the "Only Begotten Son" of God. The only way in which Jesus claimed to be "god" was when he said "The Father and I are one". But that's a pantheistic statement, and Jesus also said, "Ye are gods", so that fits in with the idea that he was a pantheist as well. The problem with these "gospels" is that we really have nothing at all that was actually written by Jesus himself. All we have is hearsay from all these other people. This is why it's impossible to place your "faith" in Jesus. Jesus never gave you that option. He only gave that option to the people he spoke to directly. Everyone else would need to place their faith in "hearsay" not in Jesus. Why you insist on using Jesus to spread hatred and division throughout the world is beyond me. Even the gospels have Jesus saying to those that he spoke to in person that he would not judge those who do not believe him. John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Therefore the Christians are totally out of line demanding that everyone throughout the world must believe in Jesus, because even Jesus himself said that this is not important. Now I know that you're going to come right back with the verse that follows this thinking that this somehow supports the Christian view, but it does not. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. All that tells you is that Jesus is not the judge as you continually preach. Jesus himself is confessing here that he is not the judge, but rather our creator is our judge. So it's not important to believe in Jesus or Christianity. If you're a Buddhist and you believe in karma then you already know that you'll be judged. In fact, you even have a really good idea of precisely how the judging process works! Yet somehow this whole Christian religion has become entirely obsessed with some insane idea that a belief in Jesus is paramount and that Jesus is somehow the "judge". But that's not even what was being claimed even remotely. Jesus was preaching the philosophy of Eastern Mysticism. If you think that Eastern Mysticism doesn't contain "judgment" then you're just ignorant of the religion. It most certainly does. It's all taken care of through karma. Jesus understood this. Christians have taken Jesus and made him into an idol. They use him for idol worship. Deepak Chopra said it best I think. He said something to the effect of, "If I point my finger in a direction to show you the way, I certainly hope that you go in that direction and not just stand there worshiping my finger". But that's precisely what the Christians are doing. Jesus showed the way to Nirvana. But instead of just following the map that Jesus laid out, the Christians have instead made Jesus himself into an idol and they have become obsessed with worshiping HIM. And what makes it far worse is that instead of following him, all they do is stand around preaching to others that it's important to "Worship" Jesus. Jesus didn't want to be worshiped. He was simply showing the way is all. He was a Buddha Bodhisattva. But the Christians have turned him into an icon of hate. All they do is use Jesus as an excuse to put down everyone who doesn't worship their demented view of Jesus. They've turned Jesus into a figure of idol worship. It's truly sad. John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. ================================================================ Jesus was not here on the earth to judge the world, but to give a way to have ever lasting life. That is all he was saying in this particular verse. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ============================================================== Jesus is saying for the ones that do not receive my words and believe in what i say, their will be no judgement, their fate is already decided. Jesus has already said this, Deny me before man and i will deny you before the father........ eg., the word that Jesus gave us has already judged that person. It won't be a sentencing when we leave here. It will be a "judgement". A chance to justify your actions, therefore there is nothing justifiable about denying the Lord and thus there is no need for a judgement. |
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John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. ================================================================ Jesus was not here on the earth to judge the world, but to give a way to have ever lasting life. That is all he was saying in this particular verse. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ============================================================== Jesus is saying for the ones that do not receive my words and believe in what i say, their will be no judgement, their fate is already decided. Jesus has already said this, Deny me before man and i will deny you before the father........ eg., the word that Jesus gave us has already judged that person. It won't be a sentencing when we leave here. It will be a "judgement". A chance to justify your actions, therefore there is nothing justifiable about denying the Lord and thus there is no need for a judgement. Evidently you're bent on having Jesus hate everyone who refuses to see him through YOUR EYES. The Jesus I speak of represent love. 
The Jesus you create is a monster of hate. 
I'll continue to know Jesus as Love, and reject your hateful interpretations of these scriptures, thank you. |
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John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. ================================================================ Jesus was not here on the earth to judge the world, but to give a way to have ever lasting life. That is all he was saying in this particular verse. John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ============================================================== Jesus is saying for the ones that do not receive my words and believe in what i say, their will be no judgement, their fate is already decided. Jesus has already said this, Deny me before man and i will deny you before the father........ eg., the word that Jesus gave us has already judged that person. It won't be a sentencing when we leave here. It will be a "judgement". A chance to justify your actions, therefore there is nothing justifiable about denying the Lord and thus there is no need for a judgement. Evidently you're bent on having Jesus hate everyone who refuses to see him through YOUR EYES. The Jesus I speak of represent love.
The Jesus you create is a monster of hate.
I'll continue to know Jesus as Love, and reject your hateful interpretations of these scriptures, thank you. What could be greater love then giving your entire life to teaching on how to receive the gift of heaven, being crucified for doing such an action, and continues to offer the gift. What monster of hate picture are you trying to claim anyone shows? |
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What could be greater love then giving your entire life to teaching on how to receive the gift of heaven, being crucified for doing such an action, and continues to offer the gift. What monster of hate picture are you trying to claim anyone shows? What could be greater hate than to be mean to people who don't believe that a bunch of confused and ignorant male-chauvinistic Hebrews speak for God? You preach hate. You preach that God will hate everyone who refuses to believe the rumors of a bunch of untrustworthy male-chauvinistic Hebrews. That's hate. That's preaching HATE. The God you've created in your mind using these ancient texts is a hateful God. |
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CowboyGH
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What could be greater love then giving your entire life to teaching on how to receive the gift of heaven, being crucified for doing such an action, and continues to offer the gift. What monster of hate picture are you trying to claim anyone shows? What could be greater hate than to be mean to people who don't believe that a bunch of confused and ignorant male-chauvinistic Hebrews speak for God? You preach hate. You preach that God will hate everyone who refuses to believe the rumors of a bunch of untrustworthy male-chauvinistic Hebrews. That's hate. That's preaching HATE. The God you've created in your mind using these ancient texts is a hateful God. Our father hates no one. And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are if you were this child's parent? |
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Our father hates no one. If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible. And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are? If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me. I have never claimed that "Our Creator" is a bad parent. That's your misunderstanding. All I have ever said is that the God depicted in the Biblical stories is a horrible example of a parent. However, since I don't believe that those stories have anything to do with "Our Creator", then I'm clearly not suggesting what you are attempting to claim. I am not suggesting that "Our Creator" is a poor parent. On the contrary, I'm saying that I refuse to believe in the Biblical picture of God because I don't believe that "Our Creator" is that unwise, sick, and demented. In other words, I refuse to insult "Our Creator" by believing that a bunch of male-chauvinistic idiots speak for him. You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem at all insulting "Our Creator" by demanding that these stories do indeed describe "him". So who's truly insulting "Our Creator"? The person who believes that "Our Creator" is far wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews? OR the person who demands that "Our Creator" isn't any wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews? Who's insulting "Our Creator"?
As far as I can see, to even believe in the Bible is an automatic insult to "Our Creator". |
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Our father hates no one. If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible. And is it loving for a father to discipline his children or not discipline his children. Not specifically physically, just some form of punishment. And in a more personally perspective, if you had a child and your child continued to deny you as his/her parent, would you continue to provide for that child? Continue to show love to this child no matter how bad the child got towards even down to calling you dirt? Even as far as saying how bad of a parent you are? If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me. I have never claimed that "Our Creator" is a bad parent. That's your misunderstanding. All I have ever said is that the God depicted in the Biblical stories is a horrible example of a parent. However, since I don't believe that those stories have anything to do with "Our Creator", then I'm clearly not suggesting what you are attempting to claim. I am not suggesting that "Our Creator" is a poor parent. On the contrary, I'm saying that I refuse to believe in the Biblical picture of God because I don't believe that "Our Creator" is that unwise, sick, and demented. In other words, I refuse to insult "Our Creator" by believing that a bunch of male-chauvinistic idiots speak for him. You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem at all insulting "Our Creator" by demanding that these stories do indeed describe "him". So who's truly insulting "Our Creator"? The person who believes that "Our Creator" is far wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews? OR the person who demands that "Our Creator" isn't any wiser than a bunch of stupid male-chauvinistic Hebrews? Who's insulting "Our Creator"?
As far as I can see, to even believe in the Bible is an automatic insult to "Our Creator". =========================================== If that's true, then "Our Father" can't be the God of the Bible. =========================================== Why do you say as such? The bible NEVER tells us of any time, place, or being that our father hates. The father loves EVERYONE no matter what. With that love comes punishment to mold us into great of a person, same reasoning someone punishes their child. ---------------------------------------------- ============================================= If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me. ============================================== With this you're insinuating that our father is a bad parent. What evidence do you have to support such an accusation? What has our father done that was so horrible as to where his children would deny him? |
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This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus.
The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers: Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2 Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3 Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts. Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4 This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves. |
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This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus. The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers: Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2 Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3 Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts. Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4 This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves. ----------------------------------------------------- Archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is God's written word to us. However, archaeology can (and does) substantiate the Bible's historical accuracy. Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.7 The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records. |
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The only reward for sin is death. Thus the world was flooded out, eg., judgement. And Satan still exists because if their was no evil on earth, then it would be like the garden of eden. And we were kicked out of the garden for disobeying our father, thus the reason God allows Satan to remain on earth. Satan will have his judgement in the end of times as well. that's what I said...if God kills/murder...a believer would view it as being love .... Judgement isn't killing or murdering. It's a judgement. With your way of thinking judges on earth that have sentenced the death penalty should be put to death themselves. Same concept. judges have sentence innocent people to death ...just as God have What innocent person has God judged incorrectly? Pompeii, Haiti, hurricane Katrina, the tidal wave in 2004 that 250,000 people,.... i could go on, but i think you see... Who says any of those people didn't get into heaven? There's only two choices: Heaven = Eternal life Not receiving the gift of heave = ceasing to exist........ death. either way they are still dead... not living anymore... Says who? Have you talked to our father bout this? If not, how in the world would you know? They burry the deceased. That's not "dead". Again, the only reward for sin is death. We will ALL become deceased, but we won't all become dead. In a secular world that is dead, but in the real world that is merely passing away, deceased, not DEAD. deceased is not dead? you must have a different dictionary then i do dead audio (dd) KEY ADJECTIVE: dead·er, dead·est 1. Having lost life; no longer alive. 2. Marked for certain death; doomed: was marked as a dead man by the assassin. 3. 1. Having the physical appearance of death: a dead pallor. 2. Lacking feeling or sensitivity; numb or unresponsive: Passersby were dead to our pleas for help. 3. Weary and worn-out; exhausted. 4. 1. Not having the capacity to live; inanimate or inert. 2. Not having the capacity to produce or sustain life; barren: dead soil. 5. 1. No longer in existence, use, or operation. 2. No longer having significance or relevance. 3. Physically inactive; dormant: a dead volcano. 6. 1. Not commercially productive; idle: dead capital. 2. Not circulating or running; stagnant: dead water; dead air. 7. 1. Devoid of human or vehicular activity; quiet: a dead town. 2. Lacking all animation, excitement, or activity; dull: The party being dead, we left early. 8. Having no resonance. Used of sounds: "One characteristic of compact discs we all can hear is dead sound. It may be pure but it has no life" (Musical Heritage Review). 9. Having grown cold; having been extinguished: dead coals; a dead flame. 10. Lacking elasticity or bounce: That tennis ball is dead. 11. Out of operation because of a fault or breakdown: The motor is dead. 12. 1. Sudden; abrupt: a dead stop. 2. Complete; utter: dead silence. 3. Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target. 13. Sports Out of play. Used of a ball. 14. 1. Lacking connection to a source of electric current. 2. Drained of electric charge; discharged: a dead battery. deceased: ADJECTIVE: No longer living; dead. See Synonyms at dead. NOUN: pl. deceased A dead person. That is why not receiving heaven is referred to as the second death. So that secular people such as you can't use secular definitions to try to disprove anything. And that is your choice. And if you don't buy into it, why spend so much time on here talking about it? What do you gain from such actions? What positive thing do you accomplish? wasting time till a better post comes up... And on your comment about death. After i mentioned it's referred to as the second death, then you said you posted both definitions. You did not post the definition of the second death. Here's the definition for second death second death In a vision of the day of judgement all the dead will rise (Rev. 20: 12) and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20: 14) to suffer their second death. Jesus gave a warning that God has the power to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 10: 28). yea, ok... i'll believe it when god tells me that...in person... |
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============================================= If I was a bad parent then my child would be telling the TRUTH and it would be up to me to better myself. Taking it out on the child would be totally selfish and irresponsible of me. ============================================== With this you're insinuating that our father is a bad parent. What evidence do you have to support such an accusation? What has our father done that was so horrible as to where his children would deny him? I was making no such insinuations. I was simply pointing out the facts. You're attempting to support the writings of a bunch of ancient Hebrews as the "Word of God". I'm saying that I've read those writings and the God they have portrayed is a totally irresponsible parent IMHO. There are countless ways that the Biblical God is an irresponsible parent. He condones slavery. He condones male-chauvinism. He not only condones buying and selling slaves, but even even places the value of a female slave at half the price of a male slave. He condones the selling of women as "wives". He directs that rapists should be made to marry their victims. I've always disagreed with the idea that he asks his children to slaughter animals and offer them as burnt offering to pay for their disobedience toward him. In my personal opinion that's absolutely ignorant thing for a parent to do. Of course, I confess that all of this is naturally my opinions and views. But that's the only way it can be. In my opinion and view the Biblical God is a horrible parent, and an extremely poor communicator as well. This is why I'm convinced that these writings are necessarily the inventions of men. Not very bright men at that! To believe that these stories came from "Our Creator" I'd have to believe that our creator is a fool. |
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This isn't scientific proof, but historical proof of Jesus. The Bible reports that Jesus of Nazareth performed many miracles, was executed by the Romans, and rose from the dead. Numerous ancient historians corroborate the Bible's account of the life of Jesus and his followers: Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), an historian of first-century Rome, is considered one of the most accurate historians of the ancient world.1 An excerpt from Tacitus tells us that the Roman emperor Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class...called Christians. ...Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus...."2 Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian (A.D. 38-100+), wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities. From Josephus, "we learn that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected."3 Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus also wrote about Christian worship and persecution that is consistent with New Testament accounts. Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."4 This is remarkable information considering that most ancient historians focused on political and military leaders, not on obscure rabbis from distant provinces of the Roman Empire. Yet ancient historians (Jews, Greeks and Romans) confirm the major events that are presented in the New Testament, even though they were not believers themselves. ----------------------------------------------------- Archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is God's written word to us. However, archaeology can (and does) substantiate the Bible's historical accuracy. Archaeologists have consistently discovered the names of government officials, kings, cities, and festivals mentioned in the Bible -- sometimes when historians didn't think such people or places existed. For example, the Gospel of John tells of Jesus healing a cripple next to the Pool of Bethesda. The text even describes the five porticoes (walkways) leading to the pool. Scholars didn't think the pool existed, until archaeologists found it forty feet below ground, complete with the five porticoes.7 The Bible has a tremendous amount of historical detail, so not everything mentioned in it has yet been found through archaeology. However, not one archaeological find has conflicted with what the Bible records. hmmmmmmmm, now we have historical evidence and scientific evidence. If all this evidence points it to be true, why would we only pick and choose what may be true in the bible? Why would it not be safe to think the rest of it is to since it can't be proven either way? Or well hasn't been proven. More has been proven true about the accounts of the bible then proven false, for the simple reason NOTHING has been PROVEN false about the bible. But yet things have been proven true....... hmmmmmm. |
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