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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers 
"Seek and save the lost" That's the problem...having a religion is all fine but pushing your faith onto others is wrong. These door-to-door snakeoil salesmen that show up at my door get an earful...they usually walk off when I offer to prove to them that Hitler was one of them, who used the same method to rally his Thumpers to empower him into a war that killed 57 million people. Not to mention that this complex has a No Solicitating policy yet these Thumpers will break our laws to push their drug...I now just usually get their card or info then report them and try to get them fined for breaking the law...bummer that so far the management here are religious so they do nothing about these trespassers. Wait, you guys have a thing about trespassing right?, so you break you own laws? Funny... |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
"Seek and save the lost" That's the problem...having a religion is all fine but pushing your faith onto others is wrong. These door-to-door snakeoil salesmen that show up at my door get an earful...they usually walk off when I offer to prove to them that Hitler was one of them, who used the same method to rally his Thumpers to empower him into a war that killed 57 million people. Not to mention that this complex has a No Solicitating policy yet these Thumpers will break our laws to push their drug...I now just usually get their card or info then report them and try to get them fined for breaking the law...bummer that so far the management here are religious so they do nothing about these trespassers. Wait, you guys have a thing about trespassing right?, so you break you own laws? Funny... HA, Hitler was absolutely a Christian...and yes many Christians ARE mental cases...what's your point? Try Google...know Google? If not see this site that quotes Hitler. Ignore the morons who use hearsay to offset the facts. Everything Hitler said concerning his faith is well documented here: Hitler Was a Christian and the Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism: http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm The point is: don't be fooled again else suffer the consequences. Get the facts. 
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand ..that why he didn't speak to his disciples in parables ...it's in the passages of the bible that you yourself presented in this post |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. LOL...if you'd been born in the middle east you'd probably be a Muslim terrorist. My "savior" is OZZY!!!!! 
And this little fella... 
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. if that was true then you would be following "ALL" his teachings ...the fact that you don't only points out that you don't believe what you just posted list the teachings of Jesus that you follow |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand ..that why he didn't speak to his disciples in parables ...it's in the passages of the bible that you yourself presented in this post no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand --------------------------------------------------- Ummm, funches. You claim Jesus didn't speak in parables to get get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables because he claim that the people wouldn't understand. That doesn't make sense funches. You're claiming that he didn't speak in parables for people to get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables cause people wouldn't understand any other way. hmmmmmmmmmm. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. if that was true then you would be following "ALL" his teachings ...the fact that you don't only points out that you don't believe what you just posted list the teachings of Jesus that you follow I follow all of them. Now not saying i'm perfect, i do stumble from time to time. But if Jesus taught it, then i try to follow it best my ability all the time. ---------------------------- But please can we not make this personal? My life and how i operate it has nothing to do with this discussion. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand ..that why he didn't speak to his disciples in parables ...it's in the passages of the bible that you yourself presented in this post no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand --------------------------------------------------- Ummm, funches. You claim Jesus didn't speak in parables to get get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables because he claim that the people wouldn't understand. That doesn't make sense funches. You're claiming that he didn't speak in parables for people to get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables cause people wouldn't understand any other way. hmmmmmmmmmm. explain why Jesus didn't speak to his disciples in parables and then explain why he spoke to the people in parables and then it will make sense |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. if that was true then you would be following "ALL" his teachings ...the fact that you don't only points out that you don't believe what you just posted list the teachings of Jesus that you follow I follow all of them. Now not saying i'm perfect, i do stumble from time to time. But if Jesus taught it, then i try to follow it best my ability all the time. ---------------------------- But please can we not make this personal? My life and how i operate it has nothing to do with this discussion. now Coboy you know you are lying when you claim that you follow all the teachings of Jesus....that is why I asked you to list the ones that you do follow everyday |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
"Seek and save the lost" That's the problem...having a religion is all fine but pushing your faith onto others is wrong. These door-to-door snakeoil salesmen that show up at my door get an earful...they usually walk off when I offer to prove to them that Hitler was one of them, who used the same method to rally his Thumpers to empower him into a war that killed 57 million people. Not to mention that this complex has a No Solicitating policy yet these Thumpers will break our laws to push their drug...I now just usually get their card or info then report them and try to get them fined for breaking the law...bummer that so far the management here are religious so they do nothing about these trespassers. Wait, you guys have a thing about trespassing right?, so you break you own laws? Funny... HA, Hitler was absolutely a Christian...and yes many Christians ARE mental cases...what's your point? Try Google...know Google? If not see this site that quotes Hitler. Ignore the morons who use hearsay to offset the facts. Everything Hitler said concerning his faith is well documented here: Hitler Was a Christian and the Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism: http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm The point is: don't be fooled again else suffer the consequences. Get the facts.
You'll find it is in you heart not just words and knowledge. Don't be afraid of faith it will lead you there. Yeah I know google lol smiles your so silly |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith in Hell roasting on an open fire ....or perhaps swimming in the lake of fire |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand ..that why he didn't speak to his disciples in parables ...it's in the passages of the bible that you yourself presented in this post no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand --------------------------------------------------- Ummm, funches. You claim Jesus didn't speak in parables to get get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables because he claim that the people wouldn't understand. That doesn't make sense funches. You're claiming that he didn't speak in parables for people to get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables cause people wouldn't understand any other way. hmmmmmmmmmm. explain why Jesus didn't speak to his disciples in parables and then explain why he spoke to the people in parables and then it will make sense |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie? ??? Don't get your question. But yes Jesus spoke in parables so we would get a better understand of what he was saying. Makes it more personal rather then it being like some general giving orders to his troops. And this is done i feel cause Jesus was showing love and was flower coating the orders if you will. He was showing love by not just straight up ordering us. Kind of the same concept of how you would speak to a spouse. If you wanted him/her to get you a soda, you wouldn't say "Debra get me a drink". That kind of thing is likely to get you slapped lol. You would more then like say something along the lines of "Hey sweetheart, would you mind getting me a soda while you're up?" This was done for it makes it more of a choice rather then a direct order. A choice to listen or disobey. And in that we will be judged on when the time comes. no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand ..that why he didn't speak to his disciples in parables ...it's in the passages of the bible that you yourself presented in this post no Jesus did not speak in parables so that you can get a better understanding...he spoke in parable because he claim that the people wouldn't understand --------------------------------------------------- Ummm, funches. You claim Jesus didn't speak in parables to get get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables because he claim that the people wouldn't understand. That doesn't make sense funches. You're claiming that he didn't speak in parables for people to get a better understanding, but yet he spoke in parables cause people wouldn't understand any other way. hmmmmmmmmmm. explain why Jesus didn't speak to his disciples in parables and then explain why he spoke to the people in parables and then it will make sense Jesus didn't have to speak to his disciples in parables, they understood what he was saying. Now not saying i'm a disciple or any of equality. But take you and I for instance. I understand what Jesus says but yet atheist's have a hard time grasping the meaning. For instance use of old testament verses in their defence when Jesus specifically states he has fulfiled the old testament. And so on. Some people get what they are to do and what not to do, but for those that don't get it Jesus had to use parables so that the people would get a better understand of what and why to do or not do certain things. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline. children disobeying their parents is not on the same scale as a believer not following all the teachings of Jesus ...a child didn't pick their parents or their rules but a believer did pick Jesus and his teachings .. ...so a lack of faith in his teachings is the only reason they would choose not to follow all of his teachings No lol. Your dad is your dad weather you want him or not Your mom is your mom weather you want her or not Jesus is your savior weather you want him or not Same difference. Just because people believe in Jesus doesn't make him any more or any less real. He is real regardless of people's beliefs. if that was true then you would be following "ALL" his teachings ...the fact that you don't only points out that you don't believe what you just posted list the teachings of Jesus that you follow I follow all of them. Now not saying i'm perfect, i do stumble from time to time. But if Jesus taught it, then i try to follow it best my ability all the time. ---------------------------- But please can we not make this personal? My life and how i operate it has nothing to do with this discussion. now Coboy you know you are lying when you claim that you follow all the teachings of Jesus....that is why I asked you to list the ones that you do follow everyday Was just to dynamic of a question. Everyday is different and untelling what might happen. And what's it matter which teachings i fail at or accomplish greatly? What does that have to do with anything? That's getting personal, that's not a biblical discussion or any other type of religious discussion. |
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It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers
"Seek and save the lost" That's the problem...having a religion is all fine but pushing your faith onto others is wrong. These door-to-door snakeoil salesmen that show up at my door get an earful...they usually walk off when I offer to prove to them that Hitler was one of them, who used the same method to rally his Thumpers to empower him into a war that killed 57 million people. Not to mention that this complex has a No Solicitating policy yet these Thumpers will break our laws to push their drug...I now just usually get their card or info then report them and try to get them fined for breaking the law...bummer that so far the management here are religious so they do nothing about these trespassers. Wait, you guys have a thing about trespassing right?, so you break you own laws? Funny... HA, Hitler was absolutely a Christian...and yes many Christians ARE mental cases...what's your point? Try Google...know Google? If not see this site that quotes Hitler. Ignore the morons who use hearsay to offset the facts. Everything Hitler said concerning his faith is well documented here: Hitler Was a Christian and the Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism: http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm The point is: don't be fooled again else suffer the consequences. Get the facts.
You'll find it is in you heart not just words and knowledge. Don't be afraid of faith it will lead you there. Yeah I know google lol smiles your so silly "Hitler would never have killed himself"...gee, you think Christians don't commit suicide and do other "non-Christian things"?. If you review the site you'll see that hitler practiced Christianity and herded the religious sheep into supporting his crusade of death. History is chalked full of religious hypocrites...most recently Eddie Long...Ted Haggard...et. al. We have a pastor here up for murdering his last two wives...egads! 
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Jesus didn't have to speak to his disciples in parables, they understood what he was saying. Now not saying i'm a disciple or any of equality. But take you and I for instance. I understand what Jesus says but yet atheist's have a hard time grasping the meaning. For instance use of old testament verses in their defence when Jesus specifically states he has fulfiled the old testament. And so on. Some people get what they are to do and what not to do, but for those that don't get it Jesus had to use parables so that the people would get a better understand of what and why to do or not do certain things. so if Jesus didn't speak in parables to his disciples because he felt they would understand him without parables ...then he spoke to the people in parables because he felt that they didn't "KNOW" enough to understand this was Jesus way of revealing how people need to go to church so that they could understand ...and that they had a lack of knowledge which is why they needed faith |
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