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If someone is really screwed up in the head, but able to help people better in this crisis condition by being extremely good at their profession, is "God is other people" an ok thing to place faith in?
Allowing myself to have faith in God would end this crisis state, but also render me incapable of doing what I can do in misery. What I do helps people. I fear becoming a monster of self faith. Is it ok to faith myself into believing God is other people? Thanks. |
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Hey, whatever floats your boat?
Part of the problem with a God figure is that an "All encompassing, supreme being who is all things" then that means God is of you, me, the dog licking himself in ways we can't, the trees, and global warming. (THERE IS NO GOD IN RICK JAMES! NONE AT ALL! DON'T BOTHER LOOKING! HA HA!) There are so many concepts precipitating the idea of a God per say that if the thought was God being a separate entity to us much like the Gods of a Pantheon, then god would have to be another person by logic. The gods of Greece for example were reflections of Humanity and all aspects of the world around us. they would be very different and individual people from us. Now how does having faith in yourself make you a monster? Most religion teaches us to be dependent and not to think or act for ourselves. Frankly if you are having faith issues then faith is the wrong path. The Chicken and the Egg. Did god create man in his image or did man create god in his own image instead? There is a chance there is no God. There is a hidden lesson in this becasue we all want answers to everything here and now. The fact is some answers do not come immediately. Some things take a life time to figure out. You have a tough question to answer. All I can say is fear is BS. Now for God being other "People" specifically? No. I think you are grasping at straws trying to grapple with a deeper issue. I suspect there is an undertone of the hypocrisy of Christianity playing in this. It is a guess mind you. It is one thing to be true to the core of Christian ideals, the two commandments of Jesus because none of his two commandments had anything to do with fire and brimstone or saints or trying to appease a vengeful god who supposedly loves all his children. If you can't allow yourself or you question having faith in the unseen you are not taking the incorrect approach, you are taking a path you feel more comfortable on. Faith in the unseen and misunderstood is silly and superstitious. Face it, we will know god when and if we meet he, she, it, whatever! |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Sun 09/05/10 09:01 AM
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If someone is really screwed up in the head, but able to help people better in this crisis condition by being extremely good at their profession, is "God is other people" an ok thing to place faith in? I've read this several times and to be prefectly honest I have no clue what you are trying to say here. How do you define "Screwed up in the head?". That can be highly subjective in itself. Allowing myself to have faith in God would end this crisis state, but also render me incapable of doing what I can do in misery. What I do helps people. What picture of "God" would render you incapable of helping other people?  And can you elaborate on why that particular vision of God would interfere with helping other people? What do you consider to be help? Again this may be highly subjective which others may not agree with. By your own proclamation someone is "screwed up in the head", so this potentially suggests that someone is incapable of making a "sane" decision on what might be "helpful" to other people. I'm not suggesting that this is the case. I'm just giving my impressions and thoughts concerned what youv'e posted. Please note also that I did say "potentially suggests". I fear becoming a monster of self faith. Is it ok to faith myself into believing God is other people? What do you fear? And why do you fear it? It seems from this statement that you, yourself, are unsure of your choices and actions. I'm just asking these question as food for thought. I don't expect you to answer them here as they are very personal. Finally, when you speak of "God" to what are you referring? A particular religious portrait of what God is supposed to be? If so, which religion? If you are interested in spiritual philosophies that address the concept that all are God (which necessarily includes you), then this would be a pantheistic view. I would recomend looking into the lectures of Deepak Chopra for a better understanding of this view. He has written many books and he also has many DVD lectures out, many of which you may be able to borrow from your local library. If you are speaking of a "God" from one of the Abrahamic religions then I'm not surprised that you're "Screwed up in the head", those religions screw up a lot of people so you're not alone if that's the religion that has you all messed up. |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Sun 09/05/10 11:23 AM
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If someone is really screwed up in the head, but able to help people better in this crisis condition by being extremely good at their profession, is "God is other people" an ok thing to place faith in? Allowing myself to have faith in God would end this crisis state, but also render me incapable of doing what I can do in misery. What I do helps people. I fear becoming a monster of self faith. Is it ok to faith myself into believing God is other people? Thanks. Like Abra, I find your post difficult to interpret but after reading it several times and trying to take it apart the only thing that pops into my head is the term 'creative genius'. A great deal of research has been done and continues to delve into the psyche of the so-called 'creative genius'. Creative genius is most often associated with people who think “outside the box”. The fact that some research has indicated a strong correlation between this creative talent and psychological or mental disorders has caused many people to stereotype those who exhibit great creative talent. In some cases a person will only experience time frames of creative genius in conjunction with an episode such as a period of depression, or hyperactivity, or a psychotic episode. In other cases the creative talent seemed to exist before the appearance of a disorder, such as the case of Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. His inability to deal with fame led to great depression and self-abusive tendencies. And sometimes creative talent is connected with other inherent psychological disorders, such as Asberger’s and savant syndrome. Some of the greatest creative talent throughout history has been linked to such disorders, but as I said, correlation is one thing, actual cause and effect is quite another. Andy Warhol, Irish poet WB Yeats, writer George Orwell, Beethoven and Mozart and Michelangelo. Vincent Van Gogh, US poet Sylvia Plath, English poet John Clare, Keats, Emily Dickenson, Ernest Hemingway, Oscar Wilde, Virginia Woolf and the list goes on and on. The point of all this is, that creative genius is found in the unique characteristics of individuals. That unique ability which often benefits society in monumental ways. Very often, the thought processes of a creative genius are just as unusual as their contribution to society. So, if there is no harm to people, including self, or the environment, in the words of another creative genius – “Imagine” and as his cohort, George Harrison sings – “Let it Roll”. |
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At our meetings a common theme is that God speaks through others. For us a higher power is essential because we need a higher power than alcohol and drugs. We have had many who worshiped alcohol and drugs. It is only in desperation that many of us turned to a higher power. I like the higher power of the group because I gave up my God chair long ago. It got as lonely at the top as it did on the bottom. But then I am just a hopeless groupie and love it that way.
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Hey, whatever floats your boat? Part of the problem with a God figure is that an "All encompassing, supreme being who is all things" then that means God is of you, me, the dog licking himself in ways we can't, the trees, and global warming. monsters exist. i define a murderer as non-human. non-people. seeing them as part of god would disable my ability to fight them. faith empowers people. i will not tie my hands by discarding it. |
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But you are trying to discount human nature is animal nature. Monsters exist both in human and non human form.
Example, is the devil some entity or is the devil actually a part of us we don't want to acknowledge? It isn't the devil whispering in our ears to do bad things. It is us. It is so convenient to put the blame on someone or something else, ie. the devil made me do it. Now back to god. Christians as most other Yahweh or Jehovah basted ideologies spring from and many others want a God of Pure Love. God cannot be evil by their preferred way of viewing God as a "Thing." unfortunately if god is the creator of it all then God created evil too. With free will people choose to be good or evil. God made John Wayne Gacy, Ed Geil, Ted Bundy and many other monsters of our past like Hitler, Stalin, etc. These people chose their own paths but again if God is all that then god also created evil, knows what it is, and probably has a mean streak as well. Some things cannot be fought, others have to be faced and accepted. Just becasue a lion will kill you does not make it evil per say. We have to accept they have a purpose in life becasue they exist. Faith can either be a glue that binds or a rope that ties. it is a double edged sword like responsibility. it in itself is not good or bad, it is what you do with it that makes it good or bad. |
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Example, is the devil some entity or is the devil actually a part of us we don't want to acknowledge? It isn't the devil whispering in our ears to do bad things. It is us. It is so convenient to put the blame on someone or something else, ie. the devil made me do it. Well, the Bible makes it easy for those who believe that devils and demons are separate entities from us. Jesus was said to have cast SEVEN demons out of Mary Magdalene. Mark.16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. I've always felt that this idea that demons can possess humans, flies in the very face that humans have FREE WILL CHOICE. I mean, if Mary Magdalene didn't invite those devils into her consciousness knowingly, then how could she be said to have had any "Free Will" in the matter? And once a human's "Free Will" is violated, then they can no longer be judged on the "choices" being made because obviously THEY aren't making those choices!  So as far as I'm concerned the whole "Demon possession" thing has got to be a falsehood in a religion where the God is supposedly judging people on their OWN choices. In any case, it's pretty clear that the Christian mythology supports the idea of being possessed by devils that can be "cast out". obviously leaving behind an "innocent person". I'm mean if a person is going to believe in the "Gospels" of the New Testament then there really isn't much choice. Unless we're just going to pick and choose which parts we're willing to believe and which parts we reject as hogwash. But once we start doing that with a book that is supposedly the "Word of God" we actually begin to "speak for that God" via what we pick and choose to believe or reject. This is one reason why I've come to the conclusion that the only meaningful action with respect to these ancient myths is to simply reject them completely, otherwise I'd be left with no choice but to glean through them trying to find parts that make sense to me whilst refusing to believe other parts. But that defeats the whole idea that this so-called "Holy Book" (which is actually a large cannon of separate stories) represent the "Word of God". |
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whatever is meant to be is meant to be, and you can trust that GOD will lead you to the right people to assist you in your situation.
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Hey, whatever floats your boat? Part of the problem with a God figure is that an "All encompassing, supreme being who is all things" then that means God is of you, me, the dog licking himself in ways we can't, the trees, and global warming. monsters exist. i define a murderer as non-human. non-people. seeing them as part of god would disable my ability to fight them. faith empowers people. i will not tie my hands by discarding it. What is "to murder?" Is it the same as "to kill?" Does it matter what is dead as a result of either (murder or kill)? Is there EVER justification for either (murder or kill) no matter what is dead as a result? |
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oh, please in english por favor!
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Is God REALLY going to help me in my time of crisis. Putting faith into something that you have never seen but only heard about is kind of hard to do.
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Is God REALLY going to help me in my time of crisis. Putting faith into something that you have never seen but only heard about is kind of hard to do. If you look with your heart and an open mind you'll see God. God is everywhere. Someone opening a door for someone - God is there Someone helping someone in time of crisis - God is there A baby is born - God is there And the list goes on, just have to look with your heart and not your worldly eyes. |
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I help other people all the time it's not because god is doing it it's because i am.
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Is God REALLY going to help me in my time of crisis. Putting faith into something that you have never seen but only heard about is kind of hard to do. If you look with your heart and an open mind you'll see God. God is everywhere. Someone opening a door for someone - God is there Someone helping someone in time of crisis - God is there A baby is born - God is there And the list goes on, just have to look with your heart and not your worldly eyes. The only problem with this is that you also need to believe in a Devil. Everywhere you look with your heart and an open mind you'll see the Devil. Someone slamming a door in someone's face - The Devil is there Someone causing someone to have a time of crisis - The Devil is there A baby is stillborn or deformed - The Devil is there Some stupid Christian preacher decides to create a "Burn the Quran Day" as a statement of his religious stupidity - The Devil is there. Everywhere you look you see the Devil.  Even often being held up in the name of Jesus.  |
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Is God REALLY going to help me in my time of crisis. Putting faith into something that you have never seen but only heard about is kind of hard to do. If you look with your heart and an open mind you'll see God. God is everywhere. Someone opening a door for someone - God is there Someone helping someone in time of crisis - God is there A baby is born - God is there And the list goes on, just have to look with your heart and not your worldly eyes. The only problem with this is that you also need to believe in a Devil. Everywhere you look with your heart and an open mind you'll see the Devil. Someone slamming a door in someone's face - The Devil is there Someone causing someone to have a time of crisis - The Devil is there A baby is stillborn or deformed - The Devil is there Some stupid Christian preacher decides to create a "Burn the Quran Day" as a statement of his religious stupidity - The Devil is there. Everywhere you look you see the Devil. Even often being held up in the name of Jesus. yes sadly but very true. |
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I help other people all the time it's not because god is doing it it's because i am. Not saying God "did it". But what or who put that on your conscience to help this person? That's where God works. God works through our conscience. Our father doesn't "make" us do anything, for that would be taking away our free will and if our father was going to control us then that would make judgement day pointless. |
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I help other people all the time it's not because god is doing it it's because i am. Not saying God "did it". But what or who put that on your conscience to help this person? That's where God works. God works through our conscience. Our father doesn't "make" us do anything, for that would be taking away our free will and if our father was going to control us then that would make judgement day pointless. What's the point to that kind of thinking? You keep speaking about "free will" but you don't seem to be willing to give people the respect of having enough "free will" to come up with their own thoughts. |
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Hey, whatever floats your boat? Part of the problem with a God figure is that an "All encompassing, supreme being who is all things" then that means God is of you, me, the dog licking himself in ways we can't, the trees, and global warming. (THERE IS NO GOD IN RICK JAMES! NONE AT ALL! DON'T BOTHER LOOKING! HA HA!) There are so many concepts precipitating the idea of a God per say that if the thought was God being a separate entity to us much like the Gods of a Pantheon, then god would have to be another person by logic. The gods of Greece for example were reflections of Humanity and all aspects of the world around us. they would be very different and individual people from us. Now how does having faith in yourself make you a monster? Most religion teaches us to be dependent and not to think or act for ourselves. Frankly if you are having faith issues then faith is the wrong path. The Chicken and the Egg. Did god create man in his image or did man create god in his own image instead? There is a chance there is no God. There is a hidden lesson in this becasue we all want answers to everything here and now. The fact is some answers do not come immediately. Some things take a life time to figure out. You have a tough question to answer. All I can say is fear is BS. Now for God being other "People" specifically? No. I think you are grasping at straws trying to grapple with a deeper issue. I suspect there is an undertone of the hypocrisy of Christianity playing in this. It is a guess mind you. It is one thing to be true to the core of Christian ideals, the two commandments of Jesus because none of his two commandments had anything to do with fire and brimstone or saints or trying to appease a vengeful god who supposedly loves all his children. If you can't allow yourself or you question having faith in the unseen you are not taking the incorrect approach, you are taking a path you feel more comfortable on. Faith in the unseen and misunderstood is silly and superstitious. Face it, we will know god when and if we meet he, she, it, whatever! Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Romans 1:21 |
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I help other people all the time it's not because god is doing it it's because i am. Not saying God "did it". But what or who put that on your conscience to help this person? That's where God works. God works through our conscience. Our father doesn't "make" us do anything, for that would be taking away our free will and if our father was going to control us then that would make judgement day pointless. What's the point to that kind of thinking? You keep speaking about "free will" but you don't seem to be willing to give people the respect of having enough "free will" to come up with their own thoughts. a conscience thought isn't specifically a conscious thought. It's just something there, not by choice. Usually referred to as the back of your mind, eg., Man I shouldn't have done that, all along had that was a bad idea in the back of my mind. So still not taking away someone's free will nor changing their thoughts. Cause at any time that person could say "hell with it, gonna do it anyways". Thus them retaining their free will and freedom of thought for it took thought to come up with that idea of action. |
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