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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book No I can plainly see it. And everyone can plainly see our father if they look with open hearts and eyes. |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book No I can plainly see it. And everyone can plainly see our father if they look with open hearts and eyes. cool....so you seen God...ok..then describe how God looks without sounding delusional |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book No I can plainly see it. And everyone can plainly see our father if they look with open hearts and eyes. cool....so you seen God...ok..then describe how God looks without sounding delusional everywhere there is love, so is the father. |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book No I can plainly see it. And everyone can plainly see our father if they look with open hearts and eyes. cool....so you seen God...ok..then describe how God looks without sounding delusional everywhere there is love, so is the father. sounds delusional to me.... love is a concept ....since you claim that you seen God...I asked how he looks......just admit you don't know and you were lying |
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Ok, then the sun being yellow and round will not be true until you accept the evidence that says it's yellow and round. Cause if you're gonna get all technical, the sky isn't blue, it's clear it's the gases and the reflextion of the sun that makes it look blue. yes ...let's get technical...so are you saying that you only believe that the sun is round because you read it in a book? Was merely stating that it will only be true if you accept the evidence as such. Cause someone could say it's square and we're seeing the corner of it and with the distance between us and the sun it only appears round. now you're blabbing ...yes or no...do you believe the Sun is round only because you read it in a book No I can plainly see it. And everyone can plainly see our father if they look with open hearts and eyes. cool....so you seen God...ok..then describe how God looks without sounding delusional everywhere there is love, so is the father. sounds delusional to me.... love is a concept ....since you claim that you seen God...I asked how he looks......just admit you don't know and you were lying No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? so does E.T.the Extraterrestrial ...did you offer him a phone so that he could phone home .....I only say this because God was not born on Earth and is clearly an alien...so does God looks like E.T.? |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? so does E.T.the Extraterrestrial ...did you offer him a phone so that he could phone home .....I only say this because God was not born on Earth and is clearly an alien...so does God looks like E.T.? E.T. is a fictional story. And reason i know how God looks is cause "Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. |
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Cowboy wrote: God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? And reason i know how God looks is cause "Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Sounds more to me like a reason to simply recognize that the story must be a man-made fairytale. To each his own I guess. 
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Pan wrote:
Dishonesty??? Really??? How convenient that you left out the preceding before your bolded words. "SUMMARY Judge not? What does the Bible say?" Kinda puts a whole new spin on it now doesn't it? Are these words supposed to mean something here? I mean what difference does it make whether or not I left out "Judge not?" The Bible does not say those things, no matter what precept we engage the question under. It does not say those things. Spin that! |
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creative wrote: Pan, Again, long time no 'see'... How are you? Do not get your hopes up that I will be participating in what throughout our history has been pointless arguing. I'll be direct here.. Pan responded: I don't want to argue, I just want you to agree with me. If you can offer me a reasonable way to think about the matter at hand, I may find your opinion persuasive enough to agree with. As of now, that has not happened. creative wrote: Should you give my argument a more deserved amount of consideration, I will be more than glad to answer your questions. I, however, did not quote nor engage you. You engaged I, and in doing so also quoted my post. It is just 'good manners' to give it it's just due. Likewise. Pan replies: Actually, we can prove why a stop sign is red, but that's not important. Let me address your "problem". It is quite clear that you have not grasped the meaning of what I wrote. It seems like you have hurried to respond. Here is the argument again. Please, be a little more careful in your reading. I underlined the overlooked portion in an attempt to redirect. Here is *the* problem which opponents of gay marriage musteventually face...
No matter how clearly one can prove what *is*, one cannot prove why it ought to be that way rather than another. We can prove that a stop sign *is* red, but we have no way of proving why it ought to be. Utterances of 'ought' are nothing more than projecting one;s own belief. Therefore, the underlying factor which does not allow gay marriage is this, "We ought not allow same-sex marriage" and it *is* based purely in one's own belief. *If* we have freedom of belief and there is are supposed to be no religious-based laws, then why ought we deny same sex marriage couples the ability to live as equals in a marriage contract? |
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To each his own I guess. If only. But you can see it in this country all the time-- those who don't believe are often the victims of a whispering campaign by right wing Believers who can brook NO dissent. Those who don't believe are not considered "Real Americans". In fact, many places have tried to enforce an outright ban on atheists holding public offices. And when those who despise our current president need a reason to justify their hatred, they think nothing of uttering the falsehood that he's a Muslim. A recent poll showed a significant number of Americans believe this. Which leads one to wonder-- if 'we' are created in 'his' image, does God look like Archie Bunker? -Kerry O. |
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To each his own I guess. If only. But you can see it in this country all the time-- those who don't believe are often the victims of a whispering campaign by right wing Believers who can brook NO dissent. Those who don't believe are not considered "Real Americans". In fact, many places have tried to enforce an outright ban on atheists holding public offices. And when those who despise our current president need a reason to justify their hatred, they think nothing of uttering the falsehood that he's a Muslim. A recent poll showed a significant number of Americans believe this. Which leads one to wonder-- if 'we' are created in 'his' image, does God look like Archie Bunker? -Kerry O. Well let's think about this a minute: Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Well if God created us in his physical image, and he created us male and female does that mean that God is Bi-sexual?  Also if God has a mouth, does he eat? And if he eats does he need to defecate? I never really thought about going to heaven and having to wait in a waiting room to be judged because God's in the bathroom.  A lot of people take this "image" idea to mean "Spiritual Image", but that's closer to persona and attitude, etc. So maybe God is like Archie Bunker. If the Bible is any indication that persona sure seems to fit. The Biblical God hate heathens sure enough. He also commanded not to suffer a witch to live. Stone unruly children to death. Murder the homosexuals, etc. Sure sounds like Archie Bunker doesn't it? Let's not forget the prejudice against the Egyptians and Canaanites, etc. Damn, the shoe really fits here doesn't it? Maybe there is some truth to the Bible after all. |
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Pan wrote: Dishonesty??? Really??? How convenient that you left out the preceding before your bolded words. "SUMMARY Judge not? What does the Bible say?" Kinda puts a whole new spin on it now doesn't it? Are these words supposed to mean something here? I mean what difference does it make whether or not I left out "Judge not?" The Bible does not say those things, no matter what precept we engage the question under. It does not say those things. Spin that! It's all there on my post on page 12 of this topic.The bible does say those things because I posted them specifically from the bible.You apparently didn't read it,ignored it or denied it. In any case I really don't care.You want a one sided conversation where you only hear what you want to hear go ahead.I know from debating certain people in here they will always disagree with you no matter what the issue simply because it is unfathomable for them to actually agree with what you are saying regardless of the facts. Stop wasting my time and others if you are only going to deny everything we post simply for the sake of making a conflict where there shouldn't be one. |
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