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CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:37 PM






Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:41 PM







Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


No it isn't like that at alllaugh

And please do not bring my or your parents into this.

YOU chose to listen to a religion that TELLS YOU there is a god.

That is your choice but you can't make it right for everyone.

Your god has nothing to do with my god.




No i can't make it right for you or anyone. Right and wrong is a perspective of oneself. If you want to look at it as right or wrong is your choice. I'm only here to tell people of the absolute truth. I have felt it, i have seen it, just me being here right now talking to you is a miracle. By all medical laws i should be dead right now. But God didn't think it was my time. So on that note, you can keep your Godthing to yourself and i will confess the truth in the true living God.

no photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:45 PM

All good EXCEPT to compare homosexuality to incest or pedophilia is as discriminatory as making all black folks out to be drug dealers and hos.

Not.

So basically the logic there is flawed from get.


No one was comparing incest and pedophilia to homosexuals, the comparison was against gay marriage. All three have laws prohibiting them and all 3 are controvesial subjects. So your racist remark in response to your perceived discriminatory comparison is unwarranted.






Being born homosexual should not be anything someone has to defend nor feel bad about. It doesn't hurt anyone anymore than heterosexual relationships hurt their participants.


And how does incestuous or pedophilic relations harm those participants?

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:46 PM




Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.



I agree. They are not born that away. Children learn most things through example.

many of the posters have said this same thing.

To let u see how sensationalism we are controlled through the media.

The bureau of prisons consistantly show that only 3% of sex offenders once caught for the 1st time ever committ a sex offence again.

The media just makes sure it is always on our minds.

a scare tactic for legalized hate. Watching our nieghbors and a general fear of the unknown.

This is what controls so much of our thought.

When Will and Grace came out it was a planned show to make Gay people funny and anyone who did not agree with them they were bigots.


The real uprising of the Homosexual community getting everyone else on board. Subtlely putting out seeds in our minds and our childrens minds What is RIGHT and what is WRONG>



This is how i see at least us and this country and many others being played.

Then over time this spread through colleges and eventually to our high schools at least as this is an alternative lifestyle.

Working on peer pressure.. Yes we have allways had homosexuals and we can all remember the jokes about the closet.


We have been played because we have.

Evil men in High Places who seek to tear down the wall of what is normal traditionalism.

When they do that it is Devide and Conquer.

No different than wall street being allowed to steal from the middle class working towards an communist agenda of a 2 class rule.

The Rich and the poor. all set out in scripture that this would happen and is on our door step.

It is time people stand up and speak up for what all that has happened in the last 30+ years.

Good will be Evil and Evil will be Good. The left and the right will be hard to figured out.

We even hear today what is the Leftists Agenda


You did not agree with me at all at any level.slaphead



trying to show u the way we are is learned not born.

Have you ever seen the wolf twins?

The twin girls who were abanded in the woods and raised by a pack of wolves?

How do u attest for them acting feeding snarling like wolves when they were found at about age 7?


You did not even come close to what I said for comparison,

I said that sexual deviants are not all born, they are made too.

My logic is that homosexuals are born because if they weren't then all heterosexual parents would only have heterosexual children.

Just as sexual deviants can be made so can wolf behavior be made. They weren't born that way but their environment helped form them.

Sexual deviants who have been abused sexually and otherwise and have the soul removed from them from too much abuse are formed from that abuse. ON the flip side of that there are abused people who do not become sexual deviants.

But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?

I have seen naked women, I have had women come on to me, I have watched porn with women having sex, I am open minded to having sex with woman, etc... So why am I not attracted to a beautiful woman sexually? Because I wasn't born homosexual, that is why.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:49 PM







Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:49 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 08/24/10 08:54 PM


All good EXCEPT to compare homosexuality to incest or pedophilia is as discriminatory as making all black folks out to be drug dealers and hos.

Not.

So basically the logic there is flawed from get.


No one was comparing incest and pedophilia to homosexuals, the comparison was against gay marriage. All three have laws prohibiting them and all 3 are controvesial subjects. So your racist remark in response to your perceived discriminatory comparison is unwarranted.







Being born homosexual should not be anything someone has to defend nor feel bad about. It doesn't hurt anyone anymore than heterosexual relationships hurt their participants.


And how does incestuous or pedophilic relations harm those participants?


Wasn't racist at all. It was a comparison and an adequate one too.

I thought we weren't comparing pedophilia to anything?

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:51 PM








Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:52 PM









Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:56 PM










Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?


Not everything one says is ment in a direct literal sence. It was more or less something to think about and ponder on.

Take someone else for instance, not you, but someone else. Do you think it would hold much power or logic for the person to tell the judge "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law."

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 08:58 PM











Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?


Not everything one says is ment in a direct literal sence. It was more or less something to think about and ponder on.

Take someone else for instance, not you, but someone else. Do you think it would hold much power or logic for the person to tell the judge "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law."

Still make absolutely no sense.

Are you saying that someone said that to a judge in a court?

Not everyone is included in all laws, age makes a difference, circumstances make a difference, state makes a difference, country makes a difference, etc... No laws are universal.

But your point here makes no sense to what we are talking about.

no photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:04 PM



All good EXCEPT to compare homosexuality to incest or pedophilia is as discriminatory as making all black folks out to be drug dealers and hos.

Not.

So basically the logic there is flawed from get.


No one was comparing incest and pedophilia to homosexuals, the comparison was against gay marriage. All three have laws prohibiting them and all 3 are controvesial subjects. So your racist remark in response to your perceived discriminatory comparison is unwarranted.







Being born homosexual should not be anything someone has to defend nor feel bad about. It doesn't hurt anyone anymore than heterosexual relationships hurt their participants.


And how does incestuous or pedophilic relations harm those participants?


Wasn't racist at all. It was a comparison and an adequate one too.

I thought we weren't comparing pedophilia to anything?



Yes, it was and still is a racist remark. Even more so now that you have been informed of the intial comparison yet still claim it was "adequate".

Read my words which you quoted and you won't have to ask silly questions.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:05 PM





Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.



I agree. They are not born that away. Children learn most things through example.

many of the posters have said this same thing.

To let u see how sensationalism we are controlled through the media.

The bureau of prisons consistantly show that only 3% of sex offenders once caught for the 1st time ever committ a sex offence again.

The media just makes sure it is always on our minds.

a scare tactic for legalized hate. Watching our nieghbors and a general fear of the unknown.

This is what controls so much of our thought.

When Will and Grace came out it was a planned show to make Gay people funny and anyone who did not agree with them they were bigots.


The real uprising of the Homosexual community getting everyone else on board. Subtlely putting out seeds in our minds and our childrens minds What is RIGHT and what is WRONG>



This is how i see at least us and this country and many others being played.

Then over time this spread through colleges and eventually to our high schools at least as this is an alternative lifestyle.

Working on peer pressure.. Yes we have allways had homosexuals and we can all remember the jokes about the closet.


We have been played because we have.

Evil men in High Places who seek to tear down the wall of what is normal traditionalism.

When they do that it is Devide and Conquer.

No different than wall street being allowed to steal from the middle class working towards an communist agenda of a 2 class rule.

The Rich and the poor. all set out in scripture that this would happen and is on our door step.

It is time people stand up and speak up for what all that has happened in the last 30+ years.

Good will be Evil and Evil will be Good. The left and the right will be hard to figured out.

We even hear today what is the Leftists Agenda


You did not agree with me at all at any level.slaphead



trying to show u the way we are is learned not born.

Have you ever seen the wolf twins?

The twin girls who were abanded in the woods and raised by a pack of wolves?

How do u attest for them acting feeding snarling like wolves when they were found at about age 7?


You did not even come close to what I said for comparison,

I said that sexual deviants are not all born, they are made too.

My logic is that homosexuals are born because if they weren't then all heterosexual parents would only have heterosexual children.

Just as sexual deviants can be made so can wolf behavior be made. They weren't born that way but their environment helped form them.

Sexual deviants who have been abused sexually and otherwise and have the soul removed from them from too much abuse are formed from that abuse. ON the flip side of that there are abused people who do not become sexual deviants.

But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?

I have seen naked women, I have had women come on to me, I have watched porn with women having sex, I am open minded to having sex with woman, etc... So why am I not attracted to a beautiful woman sexually? Because I wasn't born homosexual, that is why.



now thier u lost me.


(But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?)


Thier is no respectable scientist who will say they have found a Homosexual gene that causes homosexuality.

Just like other traits. It is learned from your enviroment and the time we live in believes as they did at the Tower of Babel..

We are to smart for our own good but its for our training to learn right from wrong. Father knows best has definately went out the window.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:06 PM












Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?


Not everything one says is ment in a direct literal sence. It was more or less something to think about and ponder on.

Take someone else for instance, not you, but someone else. Do you think it would hold much power or logic for the person to tell the judge "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law."

Still make absolutely no sense.

Are you saying that someone said that to a judge in a court?

Not everyone is included in all laws, age makes a difference, circumstances make a difference, state makes a difference, country makes a difference, etc... No laws are universal.

But your point here makes no sense to what we are talking about.


Has nothing to do with the laws or anything like that. Was a more personal view of that remark you made "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law"

God made us all, God rules us all. There isn't a God for the chineese, a God for the americans, a God for the mexicans, and so on. God is God for us all, weather you're tall, short, ugly, fat, skinny, old, young. makes no nevermind.

God made us all, God gave us ALL laws to abide by. We will all be judge on our actions through lives. Weather one wants to believe it or not, doesn't make it true or not true. You don't think the sun will rise tomarrow, i do. Doesn't make a difference the fact will be in the pudding when the sun rises or doesn't rise in the morn'n.

Doesn't matter if you want to believe in the laws of the bible or not, the fact still remains they are the laws we are to abide by.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:21 PM




All good EXCEPT to compare homosexuality to incest or pedophilia is as discriminatory as making all black folks out to be drug dealers and hos.

Not.

So basically the logic there is flawed from get.


No one was comparing incest and pedophilia to homosexuals, the comparison was against gay marriage. All three have laws prohibiting them and all 3 are controvesial subjects. So your racist remark in response to your perceived discriminatory comparison is unwarranted.







Being born homosexual should not be anything someone has to defend nor feel bad about. It doesn't hurt anyone anymore than heterosexual relationships hurt their participants.


And how does incestuous or pedophilic relations harm those participants?


Wasn't racist at all. It was a comparison and an adequate one too.

I thought we weren't comparing pedophilia to anything?



Yes, it was and still is a racist remark. Even more so now that you have been informed of the intial comparison yet still claim it was "adequate".

Read my words which you quoted and you won't have to ask silly questions.


Now you can just leave me be.

I will not be spoken down to.

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Tue 08/24/10 09:24 PM






Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.



I agree. They are not born that away. Children learn most things through example.

many of the posters have said this same thing.

To let u see how sensationalism we are controlled through the media.

The bureau of prisons consistantly show that only 3% of sex offenders once caught for the 1st time ever committ a sex offence again.

The media just makes sure it is always on our minds.

a scare tactic for legalized hate. Watching our nieghbors and a general fear of the unknown.

This is what controls so much of our thought.

When Will and Grace came out it was a planned show to make Gay people funny and anyone who did not agree with them they were bigots.


The real uprising of the Homosexual community getting everyone else on board. Subtlely putting out seeds in our minds and our childrens minds What is RIGHT and what is WRONG>



This is how i see at least us and this country and many others being played.

Then over time this spread through colleges and eventually to our high schools at least as this is an alternative lifestyle.

Working on peer pressure.. Yes we have allways had homosexuals and we can all remember the jokes about the closet.


We have been played because we have.

Evil men in High Places who seek to tear down the wall of what is normal traditionalism.

When they do that it is Devide and Conquer.

No different than wall street being allowed to steal from the middle class working towards an communist agenda of a 2 class rule.

The Rich and the poor. all set out in scripture that this would happen and is on our door step.

It is time people stand up and speak up for what all that has happened in the last 30+ years.

Good will be Evil and Evil will be Good. The left and the right will be hard to figured out.

We even hear today what is the Leftists Agenda


You did not agree with me at all at any level.slaphead



trying to show u the way we are is learned not born.

Have you ever seen the wolf twins?

The twin girls who were abanded in the woods and raised by a pack of wolves?

How do u attest for them acting feeding snarling like wolves when they were found at about age 7?


You did not even come close to what I said for comparison,

I said that sexual deviants are not all born, they are made too.

My logic is that homosexuals are born because if they weren't then all heterosexual parents would only have heterosexual children.

Just as sexual deviants can be made so can wolf behavior be made. They weren't born that way but their environment helped form them.

Sexual deviants who have been abused sexually and otherwise and have the soul removed from them from too much abuse are formed from that abuse. ON the flip side of that there are abused people who do not become sexual deviants.

But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?

I have seen naked women, I have had women come on to me, I have watched porn with women having sex, I am open minded to having sex with woman, etc... So why am I not attracted to a beautiful woman sexually? Because I wasn't born homosexual, that is why.



now thier u lost me.


(But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?)


Thier is no respectable scientist who will say they have found a Homosexual gene that causes homosexuality.

Just like other traits. It is learned from your enviroment and the time we live in believes as they did at the Tower of Babel..

We are to smart for our own good but its for our training to learn right from wrong. Father knows best has definately went out the window.


I explained how I know it is a born trait and again you go on about your beliefs.

I gave a logical explanation.

Father knows best is not accurate anymore.

My father came up in a different time so he definitely not on cue with the times. He is good for common sense things but not on any of this stuff.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:26 PM













Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?


Not everything one says is ment in a direct literal sence. It was more or less something to think about and ponder on.

Take someone else for instance, not you, but someone else. Do you think it would hold much power or logic for the person to tell the judge "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law."

Still make absolutely no sense.

Are you saying that someone said that to a judge in a court?

Not everyone is included in all laws, age makes a difference, circumstances make a difference, state makes a difference, country makes a difference, etc... No laws are universal.

But your point here makes no sense to what we are talking about.


Has nothing to do with the laws or anything like that. Was a more personal view of that remark you made "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law"

God made us all, God rules us all. There isn't a God for the chineese, a God for the americans, a God for the mexicans, and so on. God is God for us all, weather you're tall, short, ugly, fat, skinny, old, young. makes no nevermind.

God made us all, God gave us ALL laws to abide by. We will all be judge on our actions through lives. Weather one wants to believe it or not, doesn't make it true or not true. You don't think the sun will rise tomarrow, i do. Doesn't make a difference the fact will be in the pudding when the sun rises or doesn't rise in the morn'n.

Doesn't matter if you want to believe in the laws of the bible or not, the fact still remains they are the laws we are to abide by.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?



No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:30 PM







Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.



I agree. They are not born that away. Children learn most things through example.

many of the posters have said this same thing.

To let u see how sensationalism we are controlled through the media.

The bureau of prisons consistantly show that only 3% of sex offenders once caught for the 1st time ever committ a sex offence again.

The media just makes sure it is always on our minds.

a scare tactic for legalized hate. Watching our nieghbors and a general fear of the unknown.

This is what controls so much of our thought.

When Will and Grace came out it was a planned show to make Gay people funny and anyone who did not agree with them they were bigots.


The real uprising of the Homosexual community getting everyone else on board. Subtlely putting out seeds in our minds and our childrens minds What is RIGHT and what is WRONG>



This is how i see at least us and this country and many others being played.

Then over time this spread through colleges and eventually to our high schools at least as this is an alternative lifestyle.

Working on peer pressure.. Yes we have allways had homosexuals and we can all remember the jokes about the closet.


We have been played because we have.

Evil men in High Places who seek to tear down the wall of what is normal traditionalism.

When they do that it is Devide and Conquer.

No different than wall street being allowed to steal from the middle class working towards an communist agenda of a 2 class rule.

The Rich and the poor. all set out in scripture that this would happen and is on our door step.

It is time people stand up and speak up for what all that has happened in the last 30+ years.

Good will be Evil and Evil will be Good. The left and the right will be hard to figured out.

We even hear today what is the Leftists Agenda


You did not agree with me at all at any level.slaphead



trying to show u the way we are is learned not born.

Have you ever seen the wolf twins?

The twin girls who were abanded in the woods and raised by a pack of wolves?

How do u attest for them acting feeding snarling like wolves when they were found at about age 7?


You did not even come close to what I said for comparison,

I said that sexual deviants are not all born, they are made too.

My logic is that homosexuals are born because if they weren't then all heterosexual parents would only have heterosexual children.

Just as sexual deviants can be made so can wolf behavior be made. They weren't born that way but their environment helped form them.

Sexual deviants who have been abused sexually and otherwise and have the soul removed from them from too much abuse are formed from that abuse. ON the flip side of that there are abused people who do not become sexual deviants.

But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?

I have seen naked women, I have had women come on to me, I have watched porn with women having sex, I am open minded to having sex with woman, etc... So why am I not attracted to a beautiful woman sexually? Because I wasn't born homosexual, that is why.



now thier u lost me.


(But homosexuality is a born trait. How do I know? I have never been attracted to my same sex sexually. Why not?)


Thier is no respectable scientist who will say they have found a Homosexual gene that causes homosexuality.

Just like other traits. It is learned from your enviroment and the time we live in believes as they did at the Tower of Babel..

We are to smart for our own good but its for our training to learn right from wrong. Father knows best has definately went out the window.


I explained how I know it is a born trait and again you go on about your beliefs.

I gave a logical explanation.

Father knows best is not accurate anymore.

My father came up in a different time so he definitely not on cue with the times. He is good for common sense things but not on any of this stuff.




No Gay people all the time say they do not have a choice. No evidence of that at all.. we all have choices.

The only ones i can see who are really descriminated aginst in this country are sex offenders..

people hate them believing they are going to committ a crime after they have served thier time..

gay people are getting special attention for only one reason.

That is the EVIL MEN in Control are using u to take control over all of us.

Thats how u r able to live a Wrong as a right to confuse the CHILDREN

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:32 PM
what

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:32 PM














Actually sexual deviants are not always born that way. They are made too.

So the comparison is not exactly the same.

When a child is young they start to feel attraction to others. Sometimes it is their same sex sometimes the opposite and both other times.

Nothing is wrong with this. Laws should not be made to condemn this.


God has condemned this because nothing comes of two homosexuals. The ENTIRE purpose for sexual actions is reproduction. Any other use of sex weather it's heterosexual or homosexual is a sin. And since no reproduction can come of homosexual it has been condemned and we have been told not to partake in this action.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?


No, we all have been told straight up not to do this. Weather you want to believe it or not is your choice. But regardless if you believe it or not, you still have been informed not to do homosexual actions.


No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


It's like a family. A mom/dad can raise their children up as good as possible, but if the children refuse to be a part of the family, of course they aren't a part of the family. But nevertheless they are part of the family.

Just because you choose not to listen to God and believe in other beliefs doesn't mean you aren't part of the family and should listen to the mom/dad (God)


The laws in the bible apply to EVERYONE, regardless if they believe or don't believe in the truth of the laws. That is their choice and their decision to make that choice with their free will. And with every action their is a consequence.


How convenient for you to believe everyone is included in your religion without their permission.

So sad it isn't true at all.


With that kind of viewing things would be like you don't feel it's against the law to steal a piece of gum. And in court you tell the judge how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law.


What?

I don't go to court.

So what are you talking about?

Short circuit?


Not everything one says is ment in a direct literal sence. It was more or less something to think about and ponder on.

Take someone else for instance, not you, but someone else. Do you think it would hold much power or logic for the person to tell the judge "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law."

Still make absolutely no sense.

Are you saying that someone said that to a judge in a court?

Not everyone is included in all laws, age makes a difference, circumstances make a difference, state makes a difference, country makes a difference, etc... No laws are universal.

But your point here makes no sense to what we are talking about.


Has nothing to do with the laws or anything like that. Was a more personal view of that remark you made "how convenient for you to believe that everyone is included in this law"

God made us all, God rules us all. There isn't a God for the chineese, a God for the americans, a God for the mexicans, and so on. God is God for us all, weather you're tall, short, ugly, fat, skinny, old, young. makes no nevermind.

God made us all, God gave us ALL laws to abide by. We will all be judge on our actions through lives. Weather one wants to believe it or not, doesn't make it true or not true. You don't think the sun will rise tomarrow, i do. Doesn't make a difference the fact will be in the pudding when the sun rises or doesn't rise in the morn'n.

Doesn't matter if you want to believe in the laws of the bible or not, the fact still remains they are the laws we are to abide by.


You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?



No, YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.


You're not understanding me because you're putting God on a belief level. God is as real as you and I. Only has a title "Christianity" and put into a group people call "religion" because of the false idols in the world. It effects me none weather you want to believe in the true and only God. This is all for you and you only. And yes EVERYONE does have the choice to believe or not, that is their choice. Not imposing on anyone's beliefs, or forcing anyone to believe anything. This is merely a "discussion" forum. I come here to have civil discussions in hopes to open people's eyes to the true and only God.

It effects, nor offends me any if someone does not believe nor wants to believe in our father. Again, it is entirely for them.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 08/24/10 09:35 PM
I understand you completely.

Don't fool yourself that I don't understand you and again.....

You mean YOU have been told this and YOU choose to apply it to YOUR life with YOU OR YOUR RELIGION having absolutely no right to tell ANYONE ELSE how to live or what to do.

Right?

YOU have chosen to listen to a certain religion and believe it and live by it.

WE are not part of that.

We have a right to live as WE want to without YOU telling us anything.

So YOU live how YOU AND YOUR RELIGION tell you to if YOU so want to and leave US AND WE alone to live how WE want to.

Otherwise WE will start to believe that YOU AND YOUR RELIGION are threatening to US and we will have to work to restrict the freedom of YOUR RELIGION.

In other words freedom of religion may start to be threatened if the religious cannot control themselves when it comes to EVERYONE'S FREEDOMS.

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