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Thomas wrote:
Some people in here will never understand what Jesus was talking about concerning judgment no matter how hard I explain it to them. Clear things are not hard to explain clearly. That is rather telling of what follows... Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck out of your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5). This verse is talking about telling someone they are bad and yet you are just as bad as they are if not worse.This verse was not meant to tell Christians that they should not compare or judge good people verses evil people.It is simply saying if you are going to be a hypocrite for saying someone is a bad Christian then you should expect the same treatment if you are living a bad life. No, I completely disagree on two separate grounds. The first being that it clearly states "Judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Judging is not necessarily about telling someone that "they are bad". Rather, it clearly states that whatever measure you use in order to judge another will be used upon you. A measure, if it can be used by both, the one being measured and the one doing the measuring, must mean a method of value judgement. Example: I have judged your words as contradicting the Bible. I have done so by using a method. I have shown that there is inconsistency in your claims here, by exposing the fact that you have a problem distinguishing between "What does the Bible say?" and what you say the Bible says. You claimed "What does the Bible say?" and therefore I would hope that one could reasonably expect to see a true answer to the question. Your answer was false, because it is not what the Bible *really* does say. Now, I cannot say whether or not you lied, because I have no way of knowing whether or not you believed what you wrote. One cannot knowingly believe a falsehood, nor intentioanlly make a mistake. Therefore, you may have believed what you wrote was true. It seems to me that that is my method of judging the value of your words/claim. I look for the truth value by means of that which is fact and/or follows from fact. I have come to the conclusion, based upon my having read the Bible, that you claimed that a falsehood was true. I do not believe that Jesus was referring to the possibility of the conclusion of my argument being used against me. He clearly stated "the measure" and not the conclusion. Therefore, I cannot trust that you understand what it takes(the measure) in order to determine the difference between what is true and what is false. The second grounds that I object upon are quite simple. Do not be a hypocrite is entailed in the above, and that is a simple statement but an extremely difficult judgment to make regarding oneself should they have legimate problems making the distinction between that which is true, and that which is false. Does that not constitute being a plank? |
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To each his own I guess.  If only. But you can see it in this country all the time-- those who don't believe are often the victims of a whispering campaign by right wing Believers who can brook NO dissent. Those who don't believe are not considered "Real Americans". In fact, many places have tried to enforce an outright ban on atheists holding public offices. And when those who despise our current president need a reason to justify their hatred, they think nothing of uttering the falsehood that he's a Muslim. A recent poll showed a significant number of Americans believe this. Which leads one to wonder-- if 'we' are created in 'his' image, does God look like Archie Bunker? -Kerry O. Well let's think about this a minute: Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Well if God created us in his physical image, and he created us male and female does that mean that God is Bi-sexual?  Also if God has a mouth, does he eat? And if he eats does he need to defecate? I never really thought about going to heaven and having to wait in a waiting room to be judged because God's in the bathroom.  A lot of people take this "image" idea to mean "Spiritual Image", but that's closer to persona and attitude, etc. So maybe God is like Archie Bunker. If the Bible is any indication that persona sure seems to fit. The Biblical God hate heathens sure enough. He also commanded not to suffer a witch to live. Stone unruly children to death. Murder the homosexuals, etc. Sure sounds like Archie Bunker doesn't it? Let's not forget the prejudice against the Egyptians and Canaanites, etc. Damn, the shoe really fits here doesn't it? Maybe there is some truth to the Bible after all. For someone who claims to know something about the bible that statement sounds like something a 5 year old would ask me. |
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creative wrote: The Bible does not say those things, no matter what precept we engage the question under. It does not say those things. Spin that! Thomas answered: It's all there on my post on page 12 of this topic. The bible does say those things because I posted them specifically from the bible.You apparently didn't read it,ignored it or denied it. The words that followed your question "What does the Bible say?" are not what the Bible says, they are what YOU think is meant by what is written in the Bible. In any case I really don't care.You want a one sided conversation where you only hear what you want to hear go ahead.I know from debating certain people in here they will always disagree with you no matter what the issue simply because it is unfathomable for them to actually agree with what you are saying regardless of the facts. I love facts. The fact is that the sripture you quoted from the Bible and what followed your question were not the same words. Therefore, they are not what the Bible says, rather, they are what you think it means. Stop wasting my time and others if you are only going to deny everything we post simply for the sake of making a conflict where there shouldn't be one. I made no conflict. I simply pointed out one. That is a fact. When you boldly proclaim "What does the Bible say?", the answer should be just that. Conversely, if you are offering your version of what the Bible says, then at least be honest enough to say that. |
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Thomas wrote: Some people in here will never understand what Jesus was talking about concerning judgment no matter how hard I explain it to them. Clear things are not hard to explain clearly. That is rather telling of what follows... Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck out of your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5). This verse is talking about telling someone they are bad and yet you are just as bad as they are if not worse.This verse was not meant to tell Christians that they should not compare or judge good people verses evil people.It is simply saying if you are going to be a hypocrite for saying someone is a bad Christian then you should expect the same treatment if you are living a bad life. No, I completely disagree on two separate grounds. The first being that it clearly states "Judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Judging is not necessarily about telling someone that "they are bad". Rather, it clearly states that whatever measure you use in order to judge another will be used upon you. A measure, if it can be used by both, the one being measured and the one doing the measuring, must mean a method of value judgement. Example: I have judged your words as contradicting the Bible. I have done so by using a method. I have shown that there is inconsistency in your claims here, by exposing the fact that you have a problem distinguishing between "What does the Bible say?" and what you say the Bible says. You claimed "What does the Bible say?" and therefore I would hope that one could reasonably expect to see a true answer to the question. Your answer was false, because it is not what the Bible *really* does say. Now, I cannot say whether or not you lied, because I have no way of knowing whether or not you believed what you wrote. One cannot knowingly believe a falsehood, nor intentioanlly make a mistake. Therefore, you may have believed what you wrote was true. It seems to me that that is my method of judging the value of your words/claim. I look for the truth value by means of that which is fact and/or follows from fact. I have come to the conclusion, based upon my having read the Bible, that you claimed that a falsehood was true. I do not believe that Jesus was referring to the possibility of the conclusion of my argument being used against me. He clearly stated "the measure" and not the conclusion. Therefore, I cannot trust that you understand what it takes(the measure) in order to determine the difference between what is true and what is false. The second grounds that I object upon are quite simple. Do not be a hypocrite is entailed in the above, and that is a simple statement but an extremely difficult judgment to make regarding oneself should they have legimate problems making the distinction between that which is true, and that which is false. Does that not constitute being a plank? I have said this before and I will say it again.You would have to have rocks for brains to not even get a basic understanding of what God and Jesus asks of you.I can post hundreds of verses of both God and Jesus telling us to stay away from certain people.Stay away from people who are doing bad things.Stay away from people who are ungodly and unholy,etc,etc,etc.Now you can act stupid and totally ingore what the entire bible says about good and bad people and tell everyone you see that you are not going to judge anyone no matter who they are.Murders,rapists,drug dealers,everyone is welcome in your home.Everyone is your friend because you are not going to judge them and assume they are all good people. Nothing and I mean nothing could be more brain dead and down right stupid in Gods or Jesus eyes than that.God and Jesus spent years and years and years telling us over and over and over to stay away from those people.Don't associate with those people.They are bad.They are evil.They are unholy.Yet Mr.judge nobody Christian is associating with all of them! If you are doing what the bible tells you to do and you are judging people by their actions and judging the way God wants you to judge what do you have to worry about?If I know someone one is a drunk or a murder and I judge them as such,and stay away from them should I be afraid of my own judgment and what the bible is demanding I do?No because God will see I was judging righteously(by their actions)and also see that I am not a drunk judging a drunk or a murder judging a murder.I am a Christian man who does not murder and does not drink and God will not bring a bad judgment on my soul but a righteous judgment on my soul because I am doing what God told me to do.I am living a life according to bible scriptures,staying away from evil people,and following Gods commandments.Furthermore I doing exactly what God and Jesus told me to do when they told us to help sinful people realize what they are doing is wrong and to repent. I can say I am not a hypocrite regarding having a plank in my eye because I am not the one saying one thing and doing another. Your wrong in thinking judgment is not telling someone what they are doing is bad.The entire bible talks about what is sin,what leads to sin,and how sin should be dealt with.The bible is very clear that you should never ignore sin but you should deal with it and overcome it.Dealing with sin includes Christians telling other people that what they are doing(such as homosexuality,murder,adultery),is a sin and what they are doing is wrong. |
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Deeply held religious conviction can cause one to be absolutely firm in a belief because they think that God is on their side, irrespective of whether or not the belief and/or their personal translation of the Bible is an accurate reflection of reality/is true.
That is a fact. Do you believe that God approves of slavery? If so, does that mean that slavery is 'good'? If not would you like for me to show you what the Bible says about slavery and that it is ok to treat another as property? Do you always put words in other people's mouth as you do in God's? |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? so does E.T.the Extraterrestrial ...did you offer him a phone so that he could phone home .....I only say this because God was not born on Earth and is clearly an alien...so does God looks like E.T.? E.T. is a fictional story. And reason i know how God looks is cause "Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Cowboy allow me to pull a passage from the bible to prove how you are lying when you claim to have seen God Exodus 33:20) – “But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live !" so come on Cowboy...stop with the lies ....it's no point in debating or preaching about God if you are going to tell lies ....you're doing the work of Satan ...now repent and say three hail marys |
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No i wasn't lying. Ask someone that has loved someone and lived with them for years and years, ask them if they can see that loved one through the house. They will say yes. To see someone, you don't have to see the physical shell. You can see God through different actions people make. Someone saving someone's live, God is there giving that person the strength and the ability to save that person. you are lying..if you never seen God then don't make claims that you have... You can see God through actions. You see God when you see love. I asked you to describe how God looks ...if you can't... then you can't see him through actions or love....you need to learn to stop lying about the religion God has two eyes, one nose, a mouth, two ears, some hair on him, and stands about that tall........ better? so does E.T.the Extraterrestrial ...did you offer him a phone so that he could phone home .....I only say this because God was not born on Earth and is clearly an alien...so does God looks like E.T.? E.T. is a fictional story. And reason i know how God looks is cause "Genisis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Cowboy allow me to pull a passage from the bible to prove how you are lying when you claim to have seen God Exodus 33:20) – “But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live !" so come on Cowboy...stop with the lies ....it's no point in debating or preaching about God if you are going to tell lies ....you're doing the work of Satan ...now repent and say three hail marys You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. |
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You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. so going by your analogy the woman could only be seen through actions ...so how did she get kissed ...see how delusional that sounds ....dude just tell the truth and admit you never seen God |
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We are supposed to accept God as he is, correct?
If we have to accept God as he is, why can't he/she/it accept us as we are? Please don not tell me he does, if God did, there wouldn't be abominations in the world. Parents should love their children unconditionally, not as long as you do what i say and live how I say to live. There should be no conditions to a parents love. My mom loves me with all my flaws and faults. She doesn't care that I am gay, she just wants me to be happy. She raised me to accept others for their faults and flaws, and to try to get to know someone before I decide that I don't wish to talk to them or that they are someone that is not good for me. My real father (I say that because I never knew him), took off when he found out my mom was pregnant. I know some info about him, who his parents are, sibling, and such and thats all I know. Whatever his reasons were, I wish him happiness and a good life. I would not be angry with him if I ever met him, but I would ask that same question others might ask. I'd want to know why he never sought me out. People that believe in God, I have no issue with that. I do have an issue with someone telling me that their God is my God whether or not I like it. I do not practice christianity, I can't accept a Father that does not love me unconditionally but expects me to love him unconditionally. |
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You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. so going by your analogy the woman could only be seen through actions ...so how did she get kissed ...see how delusional that sounds ....dude just tell the truth and admit you never seen God If you really and truly read what i wrote, you'd get it. So WAS there when they kissed, then they broke up, now everytime he sees that car or a similar car he sees her figuratively speaking of course. |
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We are supposed to accept God as he is, correct? If we have to accept God as he is, why can't he/she/it accept us as we are? Please don not tell me he does, if God did, there wouldn't be abominations in the world. Parents should love their children unconditionally, not as long as you do what i say and live how I say to live. There should be no conditions to a parents love. My mom loves me with all my flaws and faults. She doesn't care that I am gay, she just wants me to be happy. She raised me to accept others for their faults and flaws, and to try to get to know someone before I decide that I don't wish to talk to them or that they are someone that is not good for me. My real father (I say that because I never knew him), took off when he found out my mom was pregnant. I know some info about him, who his parents are, sibling, and such and thats all I know. Whatever his reasons were, I wish him happiness and a good life. I would not be angry with him if I ever met him, but I would ask that same question others might ask. I'd want to know why he never sought me out. People that believe in God, I have no issue with that. I do have an issue with someone telling me that their God is my God whether or not I like it. I do not practice christianity, I can't accept a Father that does not love me unconditionally but expects me to love him unconditionally. Because that would be putting us at the same level as God. Our father is above us, not saying he's in space or the sky. But he is above us and we are lower then him. God created US, we didn't creat him. God gives US what we need. And he does love you unconditionally. My friend, heaven is EARNED. It's not a given. So just because you ground you children or don't give them what they want you don't love them? Cause that's what you're proclaiming for God right here. God loves us ALL unconditionally and wants us to recieve the gift of heaven and is why he offers ways to be forgiven of sins. |
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You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. so going by your analogy the woman could only be seen through actions ...so how did she get kissed ...see how delusional that sounds ....dude just tell the truth and admit you never seen God If you really and truly read what i wrote, you'd get it. So WAS there when they kissed, then they broke up, now everytime he sees that car or a similar car he sees her figuratively speaking of course. perhaps you need to read what you posted....you claim that you can see God "through actions" and according to the bible anyone that sees God can not live..therefore for your analogy to be accurate the woman you were talking about also can only be seen "through actions" because who ever sees her will not live... so now explain "RATIONALLY" how the guy in the car knew who he was kissing since he never seen her ...how did he know it was even a woman he was kissing ... but let's face it...you won't be able to explain it...so just admit that it was a bad analogy and that you lied when you claim that you have seen God when even the bible passage below proves that you are lying John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Cowboy...will Heaven have liars? .....repent my child |
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Pan wrote: Dishonesty??? Really??? How convenient that you left out the preceding before your bolded words. "SUMMARY Judge not? What does the Bible say?" Kinda puts a whole new spin on it now doesn't it? Are these words supposed to mean something here? I mean what difference does it make whether or not I left out "Judge not?" The Bible does not say those things, no matter what precept we engage the question under. It does not say those things. Spin that! You can't be serious... You lied and said it was his first line when in fact is was well near the end and the THIRD line of his SUMMARY... You can play dishonest games and deny the fact, but the word that you should have include was "SUMMARY". That followed the direct quotes from the Bible. You took the most dishonest approach I could imagine just to try and claim he was dishonest. For those uneducated people who do not know what summary means: "sum·ma·ry –noun 1. a comprehensive and usually brief abstract, recapitulation, or compendium of previously stated facts or statements. So how the hell do you get that summary is supposed to be an exact duplication of the points? Yeah, yeah, I know.... But you're still a hypocrite... |
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So maybe God is like Archie Bunker. If the Bible is any indication that persona sure seems to fit. The Biblical God hate heathens sure enough. He also commanded not to suffer a witch to live. Stone unruly children to death. Murder the homosexuals, etc. Sure sounds like Archie Bunker doesn't it? Let's not forget the prejudice against the Egyptians and Canaanites, etc. Damn, the shoe really fits here doesn't it? Maybe there is some truth to the Bible after all. I still think you can learn more about human nature and how it manifests itself in religious mania from reading Shakespeare-- and the prose is a lot more elegant. Our thought for today comes from Shakespeare's Richard III, Act I Scene 3 : And thus I clothe my naked villainy / With old odd ends stolen forth from Holy Writ/And seem a saint when most I play the devil. -Kerry O. |
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You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. so going by your analogy the woman could only be seen through actions ...so how did she get kissed ...see how delusional that sounds ....dude just tell the truth and admit you never seen God If you really and truly read what i wrote, you'd get it. So WAS there when they kissed, then they broke up, now everytime he sees that car or a similar car he sees her figuratively speaking of course. perhaps you need to read what you posted....you claim that you can see God "through actions" and according to the bible anyone that sees God can not live..therefore for your analogy to be accurate the woman you were talking about also can only be seen "through actions" because who ever sees her will not live... so now explain "RATIONALLY" how the guy in the car knew who he was kissing since he never seen her ...how did he know it was even a woman he was kissing ... but let's face it...you won't be able to explain it...so just admit that it was a bad analogy and that you lied when you claim that you have seen God when even the bible passage below proves that you are lying John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Cowboy...will Heaven have liars? .....repent my child "so now explain "RATIONALLY" how the guy in the car knew who he was kissing since he never seen her ...how did he know it was even a woman he was kissing ..." You're just trying to cause trouble now. I specifically said they were both there when the kissing was going on. And later on in the future say a day or more, he could then see her there in his mind and heart. It's figurative speaking. This is why you don't understand the bible Funches, the bible is written in parables. It's not literal most of it. |
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You can see people through actions and incidents. For instance ============ You find a woman that you fall head over heals with. Your first kiss is in a car. Then you two break up and you're all broken hearted. EVERYTIME you see that car or a car that looks like it, you will see her. ========================================= Same with God. You can see him through actions, you may not see if face and all that, but you can see he's there. so going by your analogy the woman could only be seen through actions ...so how did she get kissed ...see how delusional that sounds ....dude just tell the truth and admit you never seen God If you really and truly read what i wrote, you'd get it. So WAS there when they kissed, then they broke up, now everytime he sees that car or a similar car he sees her figuratively speaking of course. perhaps you need to read what you posted....you claim that you can see God "through actions" and according to the bible anyone that sees God can not live..therefore for your analogy to be accurate the woman you were talking about also can only be seen "through actions" because who ever sees her will not live... so now explain "RATIONALLY" how the guy in the car knew who he was kissing since he never seen her ...how did he know it was even a woman he was kissing ... but let's face it...you won't be able to explain it...so just admit that it was a bad analogy and that you lied when you claim that you have seen God when even the bible passage below proves that you are lying John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Cowboy...will Heaven have liars? .....repent my child "so now explain "RATIONALLY" how the guy in the car knew who he was kissing since he never seen her ...how did he know it was even a woman he was kissing ..." You're just trying to cause trouble now. I specifically said they were both there when the kissing was going on. And later on in the future say a day or more, he could then see her there in his mind and heart. It's figurative speaking. This is why you don't understand the bible Funches, the bible is written in parables. It's not literal most of it. did you see God in person before you start seeing God through actions...of course you didn't which is why you are lying about seeing God ......you never seen God so why do you insist on lying about it using deceptive terms such as " seeing God through actions" or claiming that the bible is written in parables ..if the bible claim that no man hath seen God then stop lying like you seen him ... I've asked you since you claim to have seen God to describe God without sounding delusional and you couldn't which means you wouldn't know God if you tripped over him ....you have a habit of lying about the religion and have told some whoppers ...if you can't tell the truth about the religion then what is the difference from you and the antichrist because that is how the antichrist will come into power though the actions of deception .....so stop the lies unless it is your mission to full fill the prophecy of Revelations as the antichrist |
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Pan,
Are you suggesting that because one writes "Summary" prior to "What does the Bible say?", that that justifies the fact that the words that directly followed the question were - in fact - not found on the Bible? In order for your argument to make any sense, we must accept preposterous idea. That being that the use of the word "summary" somehow changed the meaning of the question that followed?" Please, back this up with something other than you calling me names, because doing that has little to no persuasive power in a reasonable intellectual discussion/argument. So then, by that logic, one could say "Summary: What is the truth of the matter at hand" (whatever that may be)and then it would be ok to offer nothing other than opinion void of factual grounds? It violates the same principle. It asks a clear question, and offers a false answer. Something more immediately relevent to consider... There is NO ambiguity in that question, and the fact that it was preceded by the word "summary" has no effect whatsoever upon the meaning of the question itself. The answer to the question does not change. That answer is clear and it is quite provable. We can physically look in the Bible and verify whether or not any specific chain of words are - in fact - able to be located within the Bible. Nothing short of satisying that constitute being a true answer. None of the sentences which followed the question are able to be located in the Bible. Yet, they all immediately and directly followed from the question "What does the Bible say?" Now obviously we all know what a summary *is*. However, let us be honest with ourselves here. If a summary is something other than "what the Bible says" then one cannot honestly and overtly ask the question "What does the Bible say?" if what immediately follows is not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above offers some reasonable thinking about the matter at hand. I almost chose to just write this instead, which is the argument broken down to basics. Here is the factual premise I am working from... The use of the term "summary" does not change the meaning of the question "What does the Bible say?", nor does it change how an answer to that question is verified. Please note, that covert dishonesty is not necessarily intentional. |
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Pan, Are you suggesting that because one writes "Summary" prior to "What does the Bible say?", that that justifies the fact that the words that directly followed the question were - in fact - not found on the Bible? In order for your argument to make any sense, we must accept preposterous idea. That being that the use of the word "summary" somehow changed the meaning of the question that followed?" Please, back this up with something other than you calling me names, because doing that has little to no persuasive power in a reasonable intellectual discussion/argument. So then, by that logic, one could say "Summary: What is the truth of the matter at hand" (whatever that may be)and then it would be ok to offer nothing other than opinion void of factual grounds? It violates the same principle. It asks a clear question, and offers a false answer. Something more immediately relevent to consider... There is NO ambiguity in that question, and the fact that it was preceded by the word "summary" has no effect whatsoever upon the meaning of the question itself. The answer to the question does not change. That answer is clear and it is quite provable. We can physically look in the Bible and verify whether or not any specific chain of words are - in fact - able to be located within the Bible. Nothing short of satisying that constitute being a true answer. None of the sentences which followed the question are able to be located in the Bible. Yet, they all immediately and directly followed from the question "What does the Bible say?" Now obviously we all know what a summary *is*. However, let us be honest with ourselves here. If a summary is something other than "what the Bible says" then one cannot honestly and overtly ask the question "What does the Bible say?" if what immediately follows is not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above offers some reasonable thinking about the matter at hand. I almost chose to just write this instead, which is the argument broken down to basics. Here is the factual premise I am working from... The use of the term "summary" does not change the meaning of the question "What does the Bible say?", nor does it change how an answer to that question is verified. Please note, that covert dishonesty is not necessarily intentional. Summary: creative cannot see the hypocrisy and dishonesty in lying about the simple sequence of sentences whether or not he understands the meaning of "abstract". His understanding of the definition of "covert" is also noexistent. |
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