Topic: gays target target...
msharmony's photo
Fri 08/13/10 09:32 PM

Best Buy is also on the ‘targeted list’ for boycott. There is one thing that has been overlooked in this thread.

The Gay community ‘supports’ companies and organizations who are known for providing fair and equitable workplaces for the LGBT. There are awards given to these organization, and those awards are published nationally, at the expense of the organizations who support LGBT issues for equality, organizations like HRC. Many local pride organizations bolster patronage to the businesses who maintain the criteria of equality as well.

A huge portion of the LGBT and its supporters, such as PFlag, have local directories and there are national directories through which millions of people determine where they will spend their money.

Best Buy and Target have a history of their support through their employment records and to the local communiteis for theie level of equal treatment of all.

Essentially, their actions, as fair and equal employers, have led to a FREE multi-million dollar Ad Campaign and solicitaion.

It was a slap in the face when funds were donated to support election campaigns of people who are known for their prejudice and their discriminatory stand against the LGBT.

What the LGBT (and their supporters) are asking of Target and Best Buy, is that they continue to follow a long record of non-bias and fair and equal treatment by donating a similar amount to a known LGBT supporter, or at least someone who has a record of standing up for equality for all

And the reward for Target and Best Buy, would be to maintain their place in the Ad Campaign that solicits, and recommends, patronage to the LGBT, their supporters and supporters of all equality.

Of course they don’t have respond at all – but they loose the free advertising AND the patronage of millions.

Wall-Mart has been boycotted for their employment practices, their pay scale and so on - and tht had nothing to do with LGBT - that was a national campaign illicited by the straight community.

What is the difference?

By the way - have not been WalMart for many years - I still boycott them, not becasue of their treatment of Gays but because of unethical employment practices of all.

Edit - no one has ever specified choice of donations for either Target or Best Buy - it IS THEIR CHOICE and as I said, they can choose not to act at all.




well put, the problem is that there are too many political issues for any company, individual, or group to agree on all of them

this lady was upset that the candidate supported something she opposed, but what happens if they support the candidate running against that one , is it likely he wont be supporting something that other groups will be against as well?


it never ends, but people have the right to choose which CAUSES are worth their fight and their money,,,

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 08/13/10 09:36 PM

what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants. so whats next? telling people who to vote for?...kinda seems that's what they are saying by this. why don't the pink panthers donate their own money? because they doing just like the churches, trying to control people.


No sir, they are not making any such request.

However, I can certainly understand the value a biased person finds in confirming their bias through misinformation.


mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/13/10 09:37 PM


what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants. so whats next? telling people who to vote for?...kinda seems that's what they are saying by this. why don't the pink panthers donate their own money? because they doing just like the churches, trying to control people.


No sir, they are not making any such request.

However, I can certainly understand the value a biased person finds in confirming their bias through misinformation.




did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/13/10 09:42 PM
i'm voting for tom emmer..i don't even know who he is or what he is about, but just to piss off the gays.

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 08/13/10 09:59 PM

A while back I was with a bunch of friends of mine at Disneyland. We had just gotten back into the park after a visit in the parking lot to enjoy some party favors in the privacy of the van we came in (tasty 4:20 and some brews we had brought with us! Molsen Goldens!:banana: ).

Now there was a couple making out hard and heavy on a bench near the 10,000 Leagues Under The Sea sub ride. Something looked very wrong about it. Now bear in mind two of the eight people that went with us that night were a BF and GF who went with us and they were kissing in the park and had security give them crap about it. Yet 8:something PM and there was this couple making out real Mac Daddy style in the park and Security didn't say squat to them. Then we seen why. It was two guys in a FAMILY park full of kids. It was a real stomach turning moment and I thought what I had been doing was screwing with my vision. When we realized what was going on we complained to security who told us they couldn't and wouldn't do anything about it. We were pissed. They threatened to throw two of us out for kissing in line for one of the rides, as a policy would throw us out of the park if they caught us enjoying 4:20, and were prohibitionist about a hoard of other things but they would not do anything about to gays making out in front of everyone.

It was a long time since I set foot in Disneyland after that. It was wrong!

Some Homosexuals want everything and then some with no regard for anyone else! Civil Unions wasn't enough for them and to be allowed to act lewd and lasciviously in public let alone a Family Oriented Theme Park?

Nope, some of these gay boys are going too far!


What does this have to do with the topic as the only relationship I can make from this rant to the topic is the word gay - the rest is just another of those THEY opinion moments in which an entire group of people are slammed for the actions of two.

Of course there is always the off-hand chance that, like other such rants, an opportunistic moment was ceased in which to declare the right to a personal bias relevant to a word in the topic - gays.

For the most part, I find in-group and out-group mentality a particularly
real stomach turning moment
.


Redykeulous's photo
Fri 08/13/10 10:12 PM



what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants. so whats next? telling people who to vote for?...kinda seems that's what they are saying by this. why don't the pink panthers donate their own money? because they doing just like the churches, trying to control people.


No sir, they are not making any such request.

However, I can certainly understand the value a biased person finds in confirming their bias through misinformation.




did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?


Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.

Thank-you

Goofball73's photo
Fri 08/13/10 10:28 PM
If gays ever boycott video games for not having enough "Gay" heros in them, then hell has frozen over.

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 08/13/10 10:38 PM

it seems they have something else to get their panties in a wad now...
target donated 150,000 dollars to a republican candidate.... i guess guess gays are anti-republican now too.

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Protesters have been rallying outside Target Corp. or its stores almost daily since the retailer angered gay rights supporters and progressives by giving money to help a conservative Republican gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota. Liberal groups are pushing to make an example of the company, hoping its woes will deter other businesses from putting their corporate funds into elections.

A national gay rights group is negotiating with Target officials, demanding that the firm balance the scale by making comparable donations to benefit candidates it favors. Meanwhile, the controversy is threatening to complicate Target's business plans in other urban markets. Several city officials in San Francisco, one of the cities where Target hopes to expand, have begun criticizing the company.

so it seems gays can tell companies who to donate money to now too...


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Liberal-groups-push-to-apf-2321043209.html?x=0




The gays once again are showing their true colors.If it is not our way of thinking and our people you are supporting you are a racist,homophobe,bigot,and nazi.We can't possibly have any freedom of thought of our own.It has to be rubber stamped by the gays first.

I'm sure the ACLU will get in on this one and slap Target with a million dollar lawsuit because they don't sell butt plugs and dildos and claim they are not catering to the gay movement.

Boycotts work both ways.Knowing the gays disapprove Target just makes me want to shop there much more.


mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/13/10 11:03 PM




what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants. so whats next? telling people who to vote for?...kinda seems that's what they are saying by this. why don't the pink panthers donate their own money? because they doing just like the churches, trying to control people.


No sir, they are not making any such request.

However, I can certainly understand the value a biased person finds in confirming their bias through misinformation.




did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?


Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.

Thank-you


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:03 AM
Half the Japamation out there is very borderline GAY!

no photo
Sat 08/14/10 06:38 PM

If gays ever boycott video games for not having enough "Gay" heros in them, then hell has frozen over.


considering the homoerotic themes of heroes as well as the high number of adolescent males who play as female heroes...i doubt there is much to worry there..

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:07 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Sat 08/14/10 07:11 PM

here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Poster ONE said:


what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants.


Poster TWO said:

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.


To which Poster ONE responded:


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Obviously one of us is not comprehending 'something'. Two URLs

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Liberal-groups-push-to-apf-2321043209.html?x=0

AND

http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm

One accusation

did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?
gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing"


One Responce

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.


The reply to which does not address the question rather, it suggests that HRC is lying and Yahoo is not. However, how the poster came this decision remains a mystery, becasue neither the the two URLs in question seem to have any context to the posters newest accuation that HRC is lying while Yahoo is not.

Would POSTER ONE, care to further explain his position - to resolve the miscomprehension?


Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:09 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Sat 08/14/10 07:10 PM


Im not sure what sexual orientation has to do with what political party a corporation makes donations too...Im confused...ohwell


me too...but it seems gays don't like republicans.


I dunno, there are Log Cabin Republicans.

TJN's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:17 PM
Who's to say Target donated to this candidate because he is "anti gay"

Maybe they donated to him because of other reasons.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
Why haven't I heard gay's boycotting the president?

mightymoe's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:24 PM


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Poster ONE said:


what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants.


Poster TWO said:

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.


To which Poster ONE responded:


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Obviously one of us is not comprehending 'something'. Two URLs

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Liberal-groups-push-to-apf-2321043209.html?x=0

AND

http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm

One accusation

did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?
gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing"


One Responce

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.


The reply to which does not address the question rather, it suggests that HRC is lying and Yahoo is not. However, how the poster came this decision remains a mystery, becasue neither the the two URLs in question seem to have any context to the posters newest accuation that HRC is lying while Yahoo is not.

Would POSTER ONE, care to further explain his position - to resolve the miscomprehension?


+
the reason i said that hrc is lying is that yahoo posts that both companies already agreed that they would pay. but hrc says that they have no idea the the companies are going to do. if target and best did not say they would pay, then it seems that the companies would would be twiting or something that yahoo has made a false claim.
it stand to reason that hrc would not post this information because the are trying to get more support for their cause. i have seen religious organizations do this all the time, lying, misinformation, not telling the whole story just to get their nazi message out. Now we have the hrc nazis telling people who to donate their money to. these nazis only hurt the gay movement, not help it.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:33 PM

Who's to say Target donated to this candidate because he is "anti gay"

Maybe they donated to him because of other reasons.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
Why haven't I heard gay's boycotting the president?


That is one of the reasons liberals don't like the president.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:36 PM
Homosexuals have to continue to fight for equality.

This is one small move in that direction.

They need to keep fighting.

Until equality is reached.

They also need to take into consideration that black folks still don't have equality yet so the fight is going to take a long time.

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:38 PM



here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Poster ONE said:


what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants.


Poster TWO said:

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.


To which Poster ONE responded:


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Obviously one of us is not comprehending 'something'. Two URLs

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Liberal-groups-push-to-apf-2321043209.html?x=0

AND

http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm

One accusation

did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?
gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing"


One Responce

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.


The reply to which does not address the question rather, it suggests that HRC is lying and Yahoo is not. However, how the poster came this decision remains a mystery, becasue neither the the two URLs in question seem to have any context to the posters newest accuation that HRC is lying while Yahoo is not.

Would POSTER ONE, care to further explain his position - to resolve the miscomprehension?


+
the reason i said that hrc is lying is that yahoo posts that both companies already agreed that they would pay. but hrc says that they have no idea the the companies are going to do. if target and best did not say they would pay, then it seems that the companies would would be twiting or something that yahoo has made a false claim.
it stand to reason that hrc would not post this information because the are trying to get more support for their cause. i have seen religious organizations do this all the time, lying, misinformation, not telling the whole story just to get their nazi message out. Now we have the hrc nazis telling people who to donate their money to. these nazis only hurt the gay movement, not help it.


Thank-you for the clarification. So far in every article I have read, if there is a comment about this at all, says that Target apologized, and they would be more careful to review such situations NEXT TIME.

To most people that is not a proper responce. Target has the opportunity to PROVE their remorse by making a gesture of equal donation to a candidate whose views are more in line with fairness and equality. That's the reason the boycott continues. Any company official can make an apology but, to the people, the proof is in the pudding.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 08/14/10 07:46 PM




here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Poster ONE said:


what equality? gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing, not who target wants.


Poster TWO said:

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.

By the way I did read the article - it's now your turn to respond to my question with information from the article. Specific name please.


To which Poster ONE responded:


here.. it doesn't say who they want to give the money to, as a matter of fact, they are saying something different than what yahoo says yahoo says that target and best buy agreed to "pay the money",
while the website for HRC says they don't know what target and best buy are doing. it kind of looks like they(hrc) are lying to yall.
http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm




Obviously one of us is not comprehending 'something'. Two URLs

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Liberal-groups-push-to-apf-2321043209.html?x=0

AND

http://www.hrc.org/14677.htm

One accusation

did anyone click the link i posted on there? did you not read it?
or are you saying its a lie?
gays are demanding that target donate money to the political party of their choosing"


One Responce

Specifically who is Target being asked to support - by name please.


The reply to which does not address the question rather, it suggests that HRC is lying and Yahoo is not. However, how the poster came this decision remains a mystery, becasue neither the the two URLs in question seem to have any context to the posters newest accuation that HRC is lying while Yahoo is not.

Would POSTER ONE, care to further explain his position - to resolve the miscomprehension?


+
the reason i said that hrc is lying is that yahoo posts that both companies already agreed that they would pay. but hrc says that they have no idea the the companies are going to do. if target and best did not say they would pay, then it seems that the companies would would be twiting or something that yahoo has made a false claim.
it stand to reason that hrc would not post this information because the are trying to get more support for their cause. i have seen religious organizations do this all the time, lying, misinformation, not telling the whole story just to get their nazi message out. Now we have the hrc nazis telling people who to donate their money to. these nazis only hurt the gay movement, not help it.


Thank-you for the clarification. So far in every article I have read, if there is a comment about this at all, says that Target apologized, and they would be more careful to review such situations NEXT TIME.

To most people that is not a proper responce. Target has the opportunity to PROVE their remorse by making a gesture of equal donation to a candidate whose views are more in line with fairness and equality. That's the reason the boycott continues. Any company official can make an apology but, to the people, the proof is in the pudding.


the boycott was never my issue...

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 08/14/10 08:22 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Sat 08/14/10 08:23 PM

Who's to say Target donated to this candidate because he is "anti gay"

Maybe they donated to him because of other reasons.


Based on past activity of Target as a LGBT supporter, and on comments made by Target officials, the donation was a responce to a candidate who held political views that favored corporations like Target.

But apparently the employees responsible for choosing the donee did not do their homework - to assure that their donation did not conflict with their past active stance on equality.

To ASSURE patrons that their donation consideration was in fact a result of human error, the request was made that Target & Best Buy make amends with a similar donation amount to more equality favoring candidates.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
Why haven't I heard gay's boycotting the president?


Sometimes the most efficient way of effecting great change within a social culture's attitude and the many civil laws related to that change is to make smaller adjustments. In this way, the views & attidutes of society are allowed to adjust incrementally.

A President who supports equality measures is more likely to evoke incremental change such as:

Matthew Shephert Act (hate crimes), repeal of DOMA (defense of marriage act), Repeal of DADT (don't ask, don't tell), effective ENDA legislation (employment non-discrimination act), and Hospital recognition of domestic partners, and other legislation focused on equality - AND most of all support for allowing states to determine how they would handle domestic partnershop arrangements.

The hate crimes legislation is now in effect, DOMA was repealed, ENDA is under consideration, domestic partnerships are now recognized by hospitals, and DADT is in the works.

But the state / marriage issue was the goal - why?
Because the US Supreme Court has refused to take up the issue of marriage equality for many years - the best way to FORCE the issue into their hands was through a President like Obama.

NOW, thanks to the way States have handled marriage equality, and the rather 'expected' reaction of the religious right, the US Supreme Court is in sight.

After many years of studying the reactions of the major opponents (the religious right) and armed with an understanding of how the system works allows for incremental change from within it.

So WHY would we boycott this President? He has come through as hoped and the religious right has publicly demonstration their will to discriminate against a sector of society.