Topic: illegal immigration
IndianWoman's photo
Thu 09/02/10 01:28 PM







sure it does. it's the masses of the religious right saying all the racist and bigoted things toward illegal immigrantion.


Sorry my dear, but please don't cloud the water further with religion.

It isn't racist or bigoted when we get our stomach full of watching illegal immigrants getting unemployment, welfare, stiffing the hospitals and healthcare facilities when they have their children in the US. And guess what? They do NOT contribute to repay it!

Darlin, if you work, you too should be infuriated by the abuse of the system that is occurring.

If the illegals were sent back...over 2 million dollars would be saved.

And I still say I shouldn't have to chose between english and mexican when I call a business.
this is for the people that THINK they know what they are talking about , to claim unemployment you need a social security # so there for illegals can claim unemployment ,now people think that the country would save money if they were not here , well how about if i tell you that they pay taxes like anybody else, but the difference between a citizen and an illegal its that the legal can claim their taxes at the end of the year but the taxes that the illegal paid never comes back to their pockets , so you think the country would save if theres no illegals?


Please stay up on the posts, there sweetie. Number one...they have children here...we have to pay. For the child in school, then in college. They are taking the very benefits from our children. We have to fight and scrap for every dime to help our children. They get it thrown at them...

And they don't pay income taxes...how could they if they don't have a ss # to begin with (some actually have FAKES <gasps>)? (Most are paid under the table in cash...where do they claim that on their taxes) So they don't contribute...they suck it right out of the till and don't repay a dime.

And stiffing the hospitals, health care systems...she gets prego in Mexico...gets in the country...has the child here...in an American hospital...gets the same care as a LEGAL immigrant who pays. I do not nor have I ever claimed responsibility for another woman getting prego and me having to pay for the child. I take care of my child...my responsibility.



actually, they do pay income taxes,, thats where the COMPANIES hiring illegals come in,

they have a payroll, usually done automatically and income tax is automatically deducted,,,

day service workers who are picked up by individuals , of course, are less likely to pay


They pay income tax how? They don't have a ss#, if they do it is fake.

And the individuals? How are they picking them up and paying them? No...it's back to the small business again.




not sure where you reside, but here in vegas, you can pick up workers at just about any major home improvement store or gardening store,,,,,you pay them in cash

this is more on how illegal immigrants pay income tax

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html



This is too easy but I must...I'm sorry.

"you pay them in cash" oooo I bet that gets reported....noway

willing2's photo
Thu 09/02/10 01:50 PM


This is too easy but I must...I'm sorry.

"you pay them in cash" oooo I bet that gets reported....noway

I love you, Little Sister!

You are a very honerable, honest, Mother and Woman!drinker

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/02/10 02:08 PM








sure it does. it's the masses of the religious right saying all the racist and bigoted things toward illegal immigrantion.


Sorry my dear, but please don't cloud the water further with religion.

It isn't racist or bigoted when we get our stomach full of watching illegal immigrants getting unemployment, welfare, stiffing the hospitals and healthcare facilities when they have their children in the US. And guess what? They do NOT contribute to repay it!

Darlin, if you work, you too should be infuriated by the abuse of the system that is occurring.

If the illegals were sent back...over 2 million dollars would be saved.

And I still say I shouldn't have to chose between english and mexican when I call a business.
this is for the people that THINK they know what they are talking about , to claim unemployment you need a social security # so there for illegals can claim unemployment ,now people think that the country would save money if they were not here , well how about if i tell you that they pay taxes like anybody else, but the difference between a citizen and an illegal its that the legal can claim their taxes at the end of the year but the taxes that the illegal paid never comes back to their pockets , so you think the country would save if theres no illegals?


Please stay up on the posts, there sweetie. Number one...they have children here...we have to pay. For the child in school, then in college. They are taking the very benefits from our children. We have to fight and scrap for every dime to help our children. They get it thrown at them...

And they don't pay income taxes...how could they if they don't have a ss # to begin with (some actually have FAKES <gasps>)? (Most are paid under the table in cash...where do they claim that on their taxes) So they don't contribute...they suck it right out of the till and don't repay a dime.

And stiffing the hospitals, health care systems...she gets prego in Mexico...gets in the country...has the child here...in an American hospital...gets the same care as a LEGAL immigrant who pays. I do not nor have I ever claimed responsibility for another woman getting prego and me having to pay for the child. I take care of my child...my responsibility.



actually, they do pay income taxes,, thats where the COMPANIES hiring illegals come in,

they have a payroll, usually done automatically and income tax is automatically deducted,,,

day service workers who are picked up by individuals , of course, are less likely to pay


They pay income tax how? They don't have a ss#, if they do it is fake.

And the individuals? How are they picking them up and paying them? No...it's back to the small business again.




not sure where you reside, but here in vegas, you can pick up workers at just about any major home improvement store or gardening store,,,,,you pay them in cash

this is more on how illegal immigrants pay income tax

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html



This is too easy but I must...I'm sorry.

"you pay them in cash" oooo I bet that gets reported....noway



from previous post

'day service workers who are picked up by individuals , of course, are less likely to pay '



mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/02/10 02:15 PM




They abuse the system more than they help it.


Thank you. smile2
I'm apache and I can comprehand how some that are natives of this country can be actualy talking crap about the real people of this continent, I would hurt my self before I talk crap about this good people


I've asked you this before but obviously you've failed once again... I'm am a Native woman... I live on the tribal lands. I earn my living here...in Oklahoma...(Home of the Redman).

And talking crap? Excuse me? Did you even BOTHER to read my opening pet rant? NO?! Please do.

We are sick of it...and the added insult of the REFUSAL to speak english instead of mexican...YES I said mexican and will not change it. It is MEXICAN...not Spanish. Spanish is a "romance" language, where as mexican is a mix of Native tongues and the slang that was brought over on the spanish galleons.

So before you are so ready to slit every Americans hamstrings in favor of some one who SNEAKS. Be sure you are in the correct country for your views.

Because here sweetie...we speak AMERICAN...if you don't like it...there's the damn boarder and don't let it hit you where the good lord split cha. If fact I betcha I can get you a free ride down there.
wow...you get my vote, what ever office you run for...

willing2's photo
Thu 09/02/10 02:30 PM





They abuse the system more than they help it.


Thank you. smile2
I'm apache and I can comprehand how some that are natives of this country can be actualy talking crap about the real people of this continent, I would hurt my self before I talk crap about this good people


I've asked you this before but obviously you've failed once again... I'm am a Native woman... I live on the tribal lands. I earn my living here...in Oklahoma...(Home of the Redman).

And talking crap? Excuse me? Did you even BOTHER to read my opening pet rant? NO?! Please do.

We are sick of it...and the added insult of the REFUSAL to speak english instead of mexican...YES I said mexican and will not change it. It is MEXICAN...not Spanish. Spanish is a "romance" language, where as mexican is a mix of Native tongues and the slang that was brought over on the spanish galleons.

So before you are so ready to slit every Americans hamstrings in favor of some one who SNEAKS. Be sure you are in the correct country for your views.

Because here sweetie...we speak AMERICAN...if you don't like it...there's the damn boarder and don't let it hit you where the good lord split cha. If fact I betcha I can get you a free ride down there.
wow...you get my vote, what ever office you run for...

You betcha'.

Dump Napolitano and put this young lady up there to run Homeland Security!

She'd git 'er done!:thumbsup:

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/02/10 02:31 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/02/10 02:35 PM
divisiveness sells,,, but at least there is consistency in implying that only the ORIGINAL version of a language should count as that language


so we speak american and mexicans speak mexican and spain speaks spanish and england speaks english


yet, any english speaking country I go to they understand me just fine

and spanish speakers from all over understand each other, including mexicans and spaniards,,,,


but hey, lets divide further,, US vs THEM

IndianWoman's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:33 PM

divisiveness sells,,, but at least there is consistency in implying that only the ORIGINAL version of a language should count as that language


so we speak american and mexicans speak mexican and spain speaks spanish and england speaks english


yet, any english speaking country I go to they understand me just fine

and spanish speakers from all over understand each other, including mexicans and spaniards,,,,


but hey, lets divide further,, US vs THEM


I'm really sorry, but you make this just way too easy to pass up.

Thank you! you finally got the point...mexican is NOT the same as spanish! There is hope for you yet...winking

And no...not all english speakers are the same...please try again. Brits they speak the Queen's English...we speak American. The Aussies, they speak Australian.

And btw, we have already said US vs THEM when we got our bellies full of the waves of illegals.

IndianWoman's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:35 PM



This is too easy but I must...I'm sorry.

"you pay them in cash" oooo I bet that gets reported....noway

I love you, Little Sister!

You are a very honerable, honest, Mother and Woman!drinker


smooched Aww thanks

elgrande's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:36 PM




They abuse the system more than they help it.


Thank you. smile2
I'm apache and I can comprehand how some that are natives of this country can be actualy talking crap about the real people of this continent, I would hurt my self before I talk crap about this good people


I've asked you this before but obviously you've failed once again... I'm am a Native woman... I live on the tribal lands. I earn my living here...in Oklahoma...(Home of the Redman).

And talking crap? Excuse me? Did you even BOTHER to read my opening pet rant? NO?! Please do.

We are sick of it...and the added insult of the REFUSAL to speak english instead of mexican...YES I said mexican and will not change it. It is MEXICAN...not Spanish. Spanish is a "romance" language, where as mexican is a mix of Native tongues and the slang that was brought over on the spanish galleons.

So before you are so ready to slit every Americans hamstrings in favor of some one who SNEAKS. Be sure you are in the correct country for your views.

Because here sweetie...we speak AMERICAN...if you don't like it...there's the damn boarder and don't let it hit you where the good lord split cha. If fact I betcha I can get you a free ride down there.
oooooh you speak American!!!!! Wow wow , then you won't have a problem when some business give you the choice to choose a language because you speak Ammmmerican right? I know there's smarter people out there ! America its divided in 3 , North America and that's Canada, Usa, Mexico and there's central America Guatemala , Honduras, El Salvador,Nicaragua, Panama,and there's south America,Colombia, Venezuela,Ecuador,Uruguay and many more, so you speak American? I do! And where could I wait for my ride since I'm Apache ? Where are you taking me?

elgrande's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:39 PM

Name one country that doesn't regulate foreign migration, please.
None, but I can mention one where they are racist at doing it

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:42 PM


divisiveness sells,,, but at least there is consistency in implying that only the ORIGINAL version of a language should count as that language


so we speak american and mexicans speak mexican and spain speaks spanish and england speaks english


yet, any english speaking country I go to they understand me just fine

and spanish speakers from all over understand each other, including mexicans and spaniards,,,,


but hey, lets divide further,, US vs THEM


I'm really sorry, but you make this just way too easy to pass up.

Thank you! you finally got the point...mexican is NOT the same as spanish! There is hope for you yet...winking

And no...not all english speakers are the same...please try again. Brits they speak the Queen's English...we speak American. The Aussies, they speak Australian.

And btw, we have already said US vs THEM when we got our bellies full of the waves of illegals.


try what again? I never said any language had speakers who all spoke the same

mexicans speak a DIALECT of spanish

a : a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language <the Doric dialect of ancient Greek


and not all american speakers are the same either, here in america we speak country, slang, northerner, hillbilly,,, but noone has decided which version is the TRUE american language,,,yet


no photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:49 PM
ENGLISH is spoken here as our national language. Learning to speak it is one of the steps needed to properly assimilate. However, since they have no desire to assimiliate and merely a desire to conquer and get benefits of which they are undeserving - having paid nothing into the system which provides them - I don't see them learning English anytime soon. Which means I don't really care about whether they get served, whether or not they don't understand what people are trying to tell them or sell them, whether or not they get ripped off, whether or not they can read street signs or legal documents ... it's a personal problem for THEM to solve - not us. THEY're the ones who are criminals - and yes, it is a CRIMINAL act to illegally enter a country - but not so long as 'The UN' and his Commiecrats are steering the ship of state.

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/02/10 03:53 PM
english is the dominant language,, although it is only a DIALECT of ACTUAL english

and spanish is the dominant language of mexico, although it is only a DIALECT of actual spanish



I agree that when one enters a country to live they should learn its cultures and its dominant language,,,

If I were living in Mexico, Id learn spanish

elgrande's photo
Thu 09/02/10 04:01 PM


divisiveness sells,,, but at least there is consistency in implying that only the ORIGINAL version of a language should count as that language


so we speak american and mexicans speak mexican and spain speaks spanish and england speaks english


yet, any english speaking country I go to they understand me just fine

and spanish speakers from all over understand each other, including mexicans and spaniards,,,,


but hey, lets divide further,, US vs THEM


I'm really sorry, but you make this just way too easy to pass up.

Thank you! you finally got the point...mexican is NOT the same as spanish! There is hope for you yet...winking

And no...not all english speakers are the same...please try again. Brits they speak the Queen's English...we speak American. The Aussies, they speak Australian.

And btw, we have already said US vs THEM when we got our bellies full of the waves of illegals.
can you educate us on what's the difference between spanish and Mexican?

elgrande's photo
Thu 09/02/10 04:11 PM




You know hatred has too much control when people will agree to abuse other humans in the name of right and just.


It isn't hatred or discrimination when we get our stomach full of watching illegal immigrants getting better treatment and more respect than the people who were born here and raised here. And more to the point, the people who have become American citizens. They should be even more upset with the current status.

And quite frankly, if you are a working adult, why are you not tired of it also?

And getting back to the language issue...aren't you just a wee bit tired of having to chose between your native tongue and something that is FORCED on you in YOUR country?

Hatred and discrimination, please.. sick and tired is more like it.
that's because they work harder and are beter thenb most ,


And how did you arrive at this statement? Please tell me that you've worked side by side with them? No? Worked a ranch with them? Branding cattle? No?

Than most .... finish the statement...Please...I need more ammo.
in" most" , your included ,

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Thu 09/02/10 04:21 PM
I am half Russian and I want Russian taught as a second language in this country. I also want signs in places like Lowes that cater to diversity. Signs in Lowes stores are in English and Spanish. I want Russian signs is these stores, too. No one seems to pay heed as to how many LEGAL Russians have come to this country post-Soviet era. All of them, of course, speak and write Russian. Anything less than what I demand is outright prejudice.

Oh yes, what is Caucasion? It seems almost every ethnic group here gets to identify themselves based upon the continent of their ancestry. We have Spanish-Americans, Afro-Americans, Asian-Americans. What is a Caucasion-American? What continent is Caucasia? My ethnicity is sourced from Europe. Why can't I be termed European-American instead of some word that is meaningless to me?

willing2's photo
Thu 09/02/10 04:24 PM


Name one country that doesn't regulate foreign migration, please.
None, but I can mention one where they are racist at doing it
I'm apache

Any country that enforces Immigration Law and deports Illegals, the Illegal is gonna' whine racsism, bigotry and hate.

Go try to snaek into China or Iran. Then whine and see where it gets ya'.

BTW; Profile.
Why does your profile say hispanic?

no photo
Thu 09/02/10 10:04 PM



...
And getting back to the language issue...aren't you just a wee bit tired of having to chose between your native tongue and something that is FORCED on you in YOUR country?

Hatred and discrimination, please.. sick and tired is more like it.


I find your comment incredibly ironic....spock


Ironic how? I thought I had been very clear on my views on this issue.


if i understand you, you are native american..your ancestors had their own language, until having a foreign language was forced on you by English -speaking foreigners...course I learned history from bleeding-hearted liberals, so maybe they got it wrong...ohwell

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/02/10 10:13 PM




...
And getting back to the language issue...aren't you just a wee bit tired of having to chose between your native tongue and something that is FORCED on you in YOUR country?

Hatred and discrimination, please.. sick and tired is more like it.


I find your comment incredibly ironic....spock


Ironic how? I thought I had been very clear on my views on this issue.


if i understand you, you are native american..your ancestors had their own language, until having a foreign language was forced on you by English -speaking foreigners...course I learned history from bleeding-hearted liberals, so maybe they got it wrong...ohwell

living in the past doesn't help anything in the here and now...we as a people now have nothing to do with what happened 200 hundred years ago, we all have to live in the present. holding grudges doesn't help anyone...

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/02/10 10:19 PM
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