Topic: Joe Legal and Jose Illegal
willing2's photo
Wed 05/12/10 09:53 AM





Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.noway

Told you not true if you are illegal............and medicaid does not cover dental over the age of 18. grumble

True enough.
Public clinics don't ask for verification of citizenship. A stolen Identification, rent receipt, utility bill and a wage statement will get them reduced to free rates. These clinics are taxpayer subsidized. We pay the difference.

As far as verifying legal residency status, what is department of welfare's policy, please.

Be back after while.
Gotta' git up offn' my bootay and git some stuff dun.

In text-speak, C u n a few

No Welfare for illegals, you must be a refugee, a hatian entrant, or admitted for permanent residency (live here 5 years, then work forty quarters), or be a naturalized citizen. No welfare for illegals. It should be upon those clinics to verify residency and citizenship. They do not get reimbursed for helping illegal unless it is life threatening to the illegal. We will not allow them to die without help, but that is it.


Hospitals and clinics bill illegals for their care just like they do citizens and illegals pay at the same rate as citizens.

If a clinic is aware they are Illegal, it's the clinics civic duty to report them.

Here's the number.

Report Suspicious Activity -1-866-DHS-2-ICE. rofl rofl rofl

Dragoness's photo
Wed 05/12/10 09:55 AM
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willing2's photo
Wed 05/12/10 10:02 AM






Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.noway

Told you not true if you are illegal............and medicaid does not cover dental over the age of 18. grumble

True enough.
Public clinics don't ask for verification of citizenship. A stolen Identification, rent receipt, utility bill and a wage statement will get them reduced to free rates. These clinics are taxpayer subsidized. We pay the difference.

As far as verifying legal residency status, what is department of welfare's policy, please.
Be back after while.
Gotta' git up offn' my bootay and git some stuff dun.

In text-speak, C u n a few

No Welfare for illegals, you must be a refugee, a hatian entrant, or admitted for permanent residency (live here 5 years, then work forty quarters), or be a naturalized citizen. No welfare for illegals. It should be upon those clinics to verify residency and citizenship. They do not get reimbursed for helping illegal unless it is life threatening to the illegal. We will not allow them to die without help, but that is it.


Gotcha'.

One last,maybe, question.
As far as verifying legal residency status, what is department of welfare's policy, please?

All info verified through INS.

Thank ya', Maam.flowerforyou

Dragoness's photo
Wed 05/12/10 10:06 AM


I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




But not for illegals.

Winx's photo
Wed 05/12/10 10:17 AM



I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.

But not for illegals.


That's correct.

willing2's photo
Wed 05/12/10 10:21 AM


That's correct.

Last word!flowers

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:03 AM

Wow, the type gets bigger and bigger.

Some people really want attention

Big type sure doesn't make what is typed any more worthy of reading though.

There are no illegals who make as much as legal citizens so the math is not accurate at any level.

Oh wait do I need to type big for that to be understood?

ILLEGALS NEVER MAKE AS MUCH AS CITIZENS DO.

ILLEGALS PAY AS MUCH SALES TAX AND ALL OTHER TAXES EXCEPT INCOME TAX AS A CITIZEN DOES. ACTUALLY SINCE 47 PERCENT OF CITIZENS DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES ANYWAY THAT MAKES THE ILLEGALS EVEN WITH 47 PERCENT OF THE CITIZEN POPULATION IN INCOME TAXES AND WITH LESS INCOME.

Understood now?

I sure hope so.

People do get tired of the misinformation, for real.


I think the key part of your post is that " EXCEPT FOR FEDERAL ( AND STATE ) INCOME TAX.

As soon as they shoulder AS MUCH OF THE BURDEN as every LEGAL American, people will stop complaining.

The taxes you mention are, indeed, paid by Illegals. However, UNLIKE every other LEGAL American, those taxes are not IN ADDITION to the Federal Income Tax that EVERY LEGAL RESIDENT ( unless they work for cash ) is REQUIRED to pay.

So...since those sales taxes and other such things are not being taken ON TOP OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY TAKES, the burden is not fair in any way shape or form.

I think THAT is a big part of what the majority of the people in favor of the bill are looking at.

It's not about " racism ". It's about fairness and equality.

And isn't " fairness and equality " part of what the Liberals are all about?

InvictusV's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:05 AM


Wow, the type gets bigger and bigger.

Some people really want attention

Big type sure doesn't make what is typed any more worthy of reading though.

There are no illegals who make as much as legal citizens so the math is not accurate at any level.

Oh wait do I need to type big for that to be understood?

ILLEGALS NEVER MAKE AS MUCH AS CITIZENS DO.

ILLEGALS PAY AS MUCH SALES TAX AND ALL OTHER TAXES EXCEPT INCOME TAX AS A CITIZEN DOES. ACTUALLY SINCE 47 PERCENT OF CITIZENS DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES ANYWAY THAT MAKES THE ILLEGALS EVEN WITH 47 PERCENT OF THE CITIZEN POPULATION IN INCOME TAXES AND WITH LESS INCOME.

Understood now?

I sure hope so.

People do get tired of the misinformation, for real.


I think the key part of your post is that " EXCEPT FOR FEDERAL ( AND STATE ) INCOME TAX.

As soon as they shoulder AS MUCH OF THE BURDEN as every LEGAL American, people will stop complaining.

The taxes you mention are, indeed, paid by Illegals. However, UNLIKE every other LEGAL American, those taxes are not IN ADDITION to the Federal Income Tax that EVERY LEGAL RESIDENT ( unless they work for cash ) is REQUIRED to pay.

So...since those sales taxes and other such things are not being taken ON TOP OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY TAKES, the burden is not fair in any way shape or form.

I think THAT is a big part of what the majority of the people in favor of the bill are looking at.

It's not about " racism ". It's about fairness and equality.

And isn't " fairness and equality " part of what the Liberals are all about?


Only when it suits their agenda, and in this case it doesn't.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:06 AM



I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




But not for illegals.


Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:07 AM



Wow, the type gets bigger and bigger.

Some people really want attention

Big type sure doesn't make what is typed any more worthy of reading though.

There are no illegals who make as much as legal citizens so the math is not accurate at any level.

Oh wait do I need to type big for that to be understood?

ILLEGALS NEVER MAKE AS MUCH AS CITIZENS DO.

ILLEGALS PAY AS MUCH SALES TAX AND ALL OTHER TAXES EXCEPT INCOME TAX AS A CITIZEN DOES. ACTUALLY SINCE 47 PERCENT OF CITIZENS DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES ANYWAY THAT MAKES THE ILLEGALS EVEN WITH 47 PERCENT OF THE CITIZEN POPULATION IN INCOME TAXES AND WITH LESS INCOME.

Understood now?

I sure hope so.

People do get tired of the misinformation, for real.


I think the key part of your post is that " EXCEPT FOR FEDERAL ( AND STATE ) INCOME TAX.

As soon as they shoulder AS MUCH OF THE BURDEN as every LEGAL American, people will stop complaining.

The taxes you mention are, indeed, paid by Illegals. However, UNLIKE every other LEGAL American, those taxes are not IN ADDITION to the Federal Income Tax that EVERY LEGAL RESIDENT ( unless they work for cash ) is REQUIRED to pay.

So...since those sales taxes and other such things are not being taken ON TOP OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY TAKES, the burden is not fair in any way shape or form.

I think THAT is a big part of what the majority of the people in favor of the bill are looking at.

It's not about " racism ". It's about fairness and equality.

And isn't " fairness and equality " part of what the Liberals are all about?


Only when it suits their agenda, and in this case it doesn't.


The hypocrisy is stunning, isn't it??

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:23 AM




I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




But not for illegals.


Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.



ok,,,so I am going to reveal that I have been on assitance before,,and I was REQUIRED as the applicant( I was applying as my child is too young to enter into a contract) to have documentation,,,,, In ADDITION to my childs birth certificate, I had to show my own birth certificate(verifying I am the parent) as well as picture ID(Verifying I am the person named) AND they needed my social to run the information


when did this change?,,,,

Winx's photo
Wed 05/12/10 11:51 AM




I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....

anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?

It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.

But not for illegals.

Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.


The money is going to feed and clothe the American citizen child. Nice try to you too.

If you don't like the fact that they are Americans when they are born here, do something to try to change it. Until then, those babies are Americans.

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/12/10 12:01 PM



Hospitals and clinics bill illegals for their care just like they do citizens and illegals pay at the same rate as citizens.


To say that illegals "pay at the same rate as citizens." is so incredibly false that the exhibited intellectual dishonesty has reached a new high. There is no search, of any kind, on the net that does not reveal the massive problem of bankruptcy in hospitals who are required by law to care for illegal aliens. The cost, of course is passed on to the rest of us.

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The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

EMTALA applies to "participating hospitals", i.e., those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S., with the exception of the Shriners Hospitals for Children, Indian Health Service hospitals, and Veterans Affairs hospitals[citation needed]. The combined payments of Medicare and Medicaid, $602 billion in 2004,[2] or roughly 44% of all medical expenditures in the U.S., make not participating in EMTALA impractical for nearly all hospitals. EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, and not just to Medicare patients.[3][4]

The cost of emergency care required by EMTALA is not directly covered by the federal government. Because of this, the law has been criticized by some as an unfunded mandate.[5] Similarly, it has attracted controversy for its impacts on hospitals, and in particular, for its possible contributions to an emergency medical system that is "overburdened, underfunded and highly fragmented."[6] More than half of all emergency room care in the U.S. now goes uncompensated. Hospitals write off such care as charity or bad debt for tax purposes. Increasing financial pressures on hospitals in the period since EMTALA's passage have caused consolidations and closures, so the number of emergency rooms is decreasing despite increasing demand for emergency care.[7] There is also debate about the extent to which EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.

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Wed 05/12/10 12:04 PM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 05/12/10 12:06 PM





I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....

anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?

It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.

But not for illegals.

Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.


The money is going to feed and clothe the American citizen child. Nice try to you too.

If you don't like the fact that they are Americans when they are born here, do something to try to change it. Until then, those babies are Americans.
The funds and assistance is for the kids but, given to the Illegal who should be deported.
Jailed first, the child put into foster care. The Illegal deported and the child put up for adoption.
The Illegal could contest that with the help of an attorney in Mexico.

Or, the Illegal be summoned to appear to court for Illegal entry and the Illegal could have time to get back to Mexico with the kid.

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Wed 05/12/10 12:05 PM
Edited by AGoodGuy1026 on Wed 05/12/10 12:05 PM
Eliminate income tax....

National Sales Tax, everyone pays...

This problem solved, next problem?...

$.02 drinker

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/12/10 02:31 PM

Eliminate income tax....

National Sales Tax, everyone pays...

This problem solved, next problem?...

$.02 drinker


This "solution" may actually make the problem worse. Illegals largely don't pay sales tax either. An underground economy has been set up in major cities were businesses cater to illegals and everybody pays cash. You can even pay your cellphone bill in cash. Services are "swapped", checks are never used, and over a trillion dollars in sales goes unreported. My best friend is a CPA and tax auditor for the State of Texas and relates how many millions of dollars in tax revenues are lost just in the Houston area.

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05apr/econ_underground.htm

willing2's photo
Wed 05/12/10 02:49 PM


Eliminate income tax....

National Sales Tax, everyone pays...

This problem solved, next problem?...

$.02 drinker


This "solution" may actually make the problem worse. Illegals largely don't pay sales tax either. An underground economy has been set up in major cities were businesses cater to illegals and everybody pays cash. You can even pay your cellphone bill in cash. Services are "swapped", checks are never used, and over a trillion dollars in sales goes unreported. My best friend is a CPA and tax auditor for the State of Texas and relates how many millions of dollars in tax revenues are lost just in the Houston area.

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05apr/econ_underground.htm



I read the link.

Do you have a link on how to break into that market.
I could use some extra cash.

Seakolony's photo
Wed 05/12/10 03:33 PM




I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




But not for illegals.


Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.

Actually they do provide documentation for the US citizen and most hispanics only apply for MA and FSP. They do not apply for cash. Only cash is welfare. And most make over the amount for welfare anyways. Actually, most hispanics do not even want to apply for cash.

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Wed 05/12/10 03:39 PM





I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




But not for illegals.


Uh huh. Not for illegals. Right.

The anchor babies, of course, ARE covered since they are, technically, citizens.

Nice try. Illegal PARENTS still get the money for children BORN here.

So illegals do, indeed, collect welfare. No matter if THEY can provide documentation or not.

Actually they do provide documentation for the US citizen and most hispanics only apply for MA and FSP. They do not apply for cash. Only cash is welfare. And most make over the amount for welfare anyways. Actually, most hispanics do not even want to apply for cash.

I lump it all together and call it all welfare.
One way around the system is not being married, living together, one or both working under the table and receiving MA and Food stamps.
You wouldn't believe how many Escalades I've seen plenty parked at the welfare offices. Motors runnin', ac on, no one in the car while their in there scamin' da welfare.slaphead

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Wed 05/12/10 03:41 PM

Eliminate income tax....

National Sales Tax, everyone pays...

This problem solved, next problem?...

$.02 drinker


I disagree with the national sales tax (tariffs and local taxes are sufficient) but I agree with ending the income tax. drinker