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Topic: Joe Legal and Jose Illegal
willing2's photo
Tue 05/11/10 07:45 PM
Stolen from somewhere else.

Thought I would share this since so much is going on right now here in Az.


You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention....
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare.... Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
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Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. Better yet, his new babies were born in the US, so they are considered legal so they get state Medicaid and food stamps because he technically has NO income.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home (or childcare, that costs even more).

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

no photo
Tue 05/11/10 08:02 PM
Edited by TheresMyFriend on Tue 05/11/10 08:04 PM
Your right to post this, thank you for the read.

Even a 5th grader could see the wrong on every level of this!

I am inclined to claim that the STUPID government people are not "Smarter Than A 5th Grader"!

And this is what we have as our leaders.

Just goes to show...to be in politics, all you need is an IQ of 12 or less!!

JMO
TMF

drinker

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 05/11/10 08:09 PM
Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin

Winx's photo
Tue 05/11/10 08:12 PM

Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

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Tue 05/11/10 08:49 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 05/11/10 08:55 PM


Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

Squeeze me very much.
There is Social Security in Mexico. My wifes Grandfather, now 93, has been drawing it for 23 years.

They's Illegal. Shouldn't be here in da first place. If Mexico is, as you say, a shiithole, they need to do themselves another cinco de mayo and overthrow those oppressing them. And, all those billions of dollars goin' back to Mexico is prolly money the Cartels are shipping back for reinvestment in mo product.

I can see it now. An American citizen breaks into a home and gets caught. As the cop is leading him away, the criminal is saying," But, officer, my house isn't near as nice as this one. Why can't I just steal it?"

The Illegal Invaders justification holds less water than any other criminals.

Winx's photo
Tue 05/11/10 08:53 PM



Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

Sqeeze me very much.
There is Social Security in Mexico. My wifes Grandfather, now 93, has been drawing it for 23 years.

They's Illegal. Shouldn't be here in da first place. If Mexico is, as you say, a shiithole, they need to do themselves another cinco de mayo and overthrow those oppressing them. And, all those billions of dollars goin' back to Mexico is prolly money the Cartels are shipping back for reinvestment in mo product.


Squeeze you much?

I know somebody that sends money back to his elderly parents because his parents are poor. The children help support the parents. The father is diabetic and can't see a doctor for it. He drinks cactus juice for his diabetes.

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Tue 05/11/10 09:00 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 05/11/10 09:08 PM




Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

Sqeeze me very much.
There is Social Security in Mexico. My wifes Grandfather, now 93, has been drawing it for 23 years.

They's Illegal. Shouldn't be here in da first place. If Mexico is, as you say, a shiithole, they need to do themselves another cinco de mayo and overthrow those oppressing them. And, all those billions of dollars goin' back to Mexico is prolly money the Cartels are shipping back for reinvestment in mo product.


Squeeze you much?

I know somebody that sends money back to his elderly parents because his parents are poor. The children help support the parents. The father is diabetic and can't see a doctor for it. He drinks cactus juice for his diabetes.

If this person is an Illegal and you have this kind of intimate knowledge of Illegal information, you are breaking Federal Laws not reporting them. If you get caught, forum posts are recorded and can be used against you in a court of law, you could lose your home, kids, get fined and/or sent to prison.

Is protecting or supporting Illegal activity worth all that?

I wouldn't do it. You're my friend. But some other unscrupulous or Patriotic American could report you. Everyone, including Immigration Enforcement has access to your pics, location and if they check your prior posts, they can use any information deemed pertinent to prosecute you for accomplice after the fact.

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Tue 05/11/10 09:32 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 05/11/10 09:34 PM
One Disabled American Vets story.

My name is d'Lynn. I'm a disabled Vietnam vet. I don't look too bad for a beat-up old vet do I? And that's my ride. She's looking pretty good looking also, especially when you consider that she'll turn twenty this summer. That's right, it's a 1990 with a 1990 sidecar. I can't ride a solo bike, ergo the sidecar rig. It's my sole means of transportation - rain or shine, snow or wind, and this summer also marks a milestone in both of our lives, as I will finally be able to pay her off.

Twenty years old? What? Why did it take so long? You weren't paying attention, were you? It's right at the beginning of this paragraph. I am a disabled vet, which means I receive a veterans administration disability pension, which also means "I'm broke!" Just one step ahead of being homeless every month, and that's not an idle statement or an"Oh, woe is me" dire complaint. There’s a point to this, so hang in there a minute or two and read on.

There's a 25-year-old illegal immigrant woman living in Florida, with eight kids. Yes, eight "anchor babies" and she receives just shy of $1,500 per month per kid, plus medical, plus food stamps. Oh, wait. I've been informed that I shouldn't call them Food Stamps anymore. That's not PC. It's all called “Social Assistance” now. You do the math on that yourself. I'd say that she was schooled early in how to make it in the system. Twenty-five years old, eight kids . . . . . yep, she started early.

You can whip out the calculator if you want, but this woman who never has paid a dime in taxes of any kind, (and still doesn't – she's 'illegal,' remember?) is here in this country illegally. She hasn’t paid one cent in medical for all the “anchor babies,” makes more in one month, legally, than I receive in over a year and a half in disability payments and I can't even get food stamps! Oops, I mean “Social Assistance.”

Technically I am eligible for “Social Assistance.” I was told it would be a walk through – a gimme – being disabled. No problem, and in the very next breath I was also informed that under the law the amount I received in “Social Assistance” would be deducted from my disability pension.

Let's say I take a great photograph. It was just luck, a one of a kind accidental, in the right place at the right time shot. My local newspaper offers me fifty bucks to use the photo in a featured story. (I live in a small town and fifty bucks is all they could afford.) I have to report that fifty dollars to the VA as earned income, which will immediately be deducted from my next month’s disability check. If I don't report it I’m in violation of federal law and technically they can stop my disability pension and prosecute me under a federal felony. Pretty cool, eh? For fifty bucks.

I see no point in dealing with two federal bureaucracies, so I don't bother. What's the point?

She's here illegally and with just one kid would make over twice what I receive per month. She has eight and she’s not a stand-out case. She’s not alone. That's the way the system works. Millions of illegal immigrants know this, know how the system works and know how to use it. (Haven't you seen the pamphlet? It's handed out all along our borders, "The Illegal Immigrants' Guide to Keeping America Just The Way It Is.") and that's just the way it works.

Did you know that the federal government provides a “refugee” in this country with a monthly “stipend” of $1,890, plus $580 a month in “Social Assistance?” That’s $2,470 a month, tax-free. That's two and a half times what I’m allowed to receive as a disabled vet. And just what did they do to earn this? All you have to do is show up on our collective doorstep, raise your right hand and swear that you're a refugee and, bingo, receive $30,000 a year, tax-free. That's more than someone making $15 an hour, and they have to pay taxes to boot!

Now, in defense of the Veterans Administration, they are doing what they can with what they've got. This is precious little compared to what they should have to get the job done. At least this country has a VA.

It's the Senate that keeps passing laws, rules and guidelines, cutting their budget, denying requests for more staff and computer systems to handle the massive work flow. Their hands are tied by the very government that's supposed to give them what they need to get the job done, by the government you voted into office. Don't scream at the VA. I have. It's misguided anger.

The point to this “story?” Just why are you paying such high taxes to support this incredibly screwed-up government? Why? And I’m not proposing you stop paying your taxes. That's wrong. There are good programs and reasons to pay your taxes and support our government. What am I proposing? It's quite simple. Vote.

The government, our government, is broken and we as the voters serve as the maintenance crew. We fix it . . . . . by voting.

If your state Senator has been in office more than two terms, vote 'em out at the next election. If your state representative has been in office more than two terms, vote 'em out of office. We put term limits on just about every publicly-elected official in the country except the House and Senate. Why? Believe me, they know this and love it! Ahhh - the power!

I don't care how much you believe your Senator or Representative is doing a good job. They're not! Look at the government you have, that we have. How can you state they are doing what you want as the voter that put them there? How?

Vote them out of office. Do it.

Change the course of this country's history by what you are granted and guaranteed under the law. Vote!

And if you have the guts, the anger, the outrage, start a petition in your state for a state-wide initiative to be placed on your next state ballot. Limiting the terms of office for your state senators and state representatives to your federal government to two terms.

The federal government will never pass such a law, but you can. You can get it done. You can force it. You can make it a law.

This is the first step in “getting it right.” Just vote. It's simple. It's easy, Dude!

This first step will send a very clear message. It’ll work. It’ll put “us” back in control of “them.” As it should be. As it was intended in the first place.

Winx's photo
Wed 05/12/10 05:25 AM





Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

Sqeeze me very much.
There is Social Security in Mexico. My wifes Grandfather, now 93, has been drawing it for 23 years.

They's Illegal. Shouldn't be here in da first place. If Mexico is, as you say, a shiithole, they need to do themselves another cinco de mayo and overthrow those oppressing them. And, all those billions of dollars goin' back to Mexico is prolly money the Cartels are shipping back for reinvestment in mo product.


Squeeze you much?

I know somebody that sends money back to his elderly parents because his parents are poor. The children help support the parents. The father is diabetic and can't see a doctor for it. He drinks cactus juice for his diabetes.

If this person is an Illegal and you have this kind of intimate knowledge of Illegal information, you are breaking Federal Laws not reporting them. If you get caught, forum posts are recorded and can be used against you in a court of law, you could lose your home, kids, get fined and/or sent to prison.

Is protecting or supporting Illegal activity worth all that?

I wouldn't do it. You're my friend. But some other unscrupulous or Patriotic American could report you. Everyone, including Immigration Enforcement has access to your pics, location and if they check your prior posts, they can use any information deemed pertinent to prosecute you for accomplice after the fact.


He's not illegal. He even has a popular restaurant here.

Thank you for your concern though.flowerforyou

willing2's photo
Wed 05/12/10 06:23 AM






Sometimes Jose is sending every last dime to his family in Mexico because their living in shiit and starving....and so maybe his life here isn't as grand after all. just sayin


Another reason that they send money back home is because their parents are elderly and there's no Social Security and the kids have to support them.

Sqeeze me very much.
There is Social Security in Mexico. My wifes Grandfather, now 93, has been drawing it for 23 years.

They's Illegal. Shouldn't be here in da first place. If Mexico is, as you say, a shiithole, they need to do themselves another cinco de mayo and overthrow those oppressing them. And, all those billions of dollars goin' back to Mexico is prolly money the Cartels are shipping back for reinvestment in mo product.


Squeeze you much?

I know somebody that sends money back to his elderly parents because his parents are poor. The children help support the parents. The father is diabetic and can't see a doctor for it. He drinks cactus juice for his diabetes.

If this person is an Illegal and you have this kind of intimate knowledge of Illegal information, you are breaking Federal Laws not reporting them. If you get caught, forum posts are recorded and can be used against you in a court of law, you could lose your home, kids, get fined and/or sent to prison.

Is protecting or supporting Illegal activity worth all that?

I wouldn't do it. You're my friend. But some other unscrupulous or Patriotic American could report you. Everyone, including Immigration Enforcement has access to your pics, location and if they check your prior posts, they can use any information deemed pertinent to prosecute you for accomplice after the fact.


He's not illegal. He even has a popular restaurant here.

Thank you for your concern though.flowerforyou

Concern, yeah.
And I'd really miss seein' that hot bod of yours here!! Skin ta' win, Baby!!drool :wink: flowers

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Wed 05/12/10 06:36 AM
I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?

Winx's photo
Wed 05/12/10 06:38 AM
Edited by Winx on Wed 05/12/10 06:38 AM
Willing,

You're silly. lol

Willing, you thought he was illegal because he sent money home. Why is that?
I admire how his family is such a close one.

Winx's photo
Wed 05/12/10 06:48 AM

I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.


FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 05/12/10 06:49 AM

I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


Illegal identification, either way...welfare is hardly soaking up that much in tax payer money. Medical and education is what is killing us in the pocket...but whatever, not like very many of you do research.

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Wed 05/12/10 06:50 AM


I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


It's around $235/mth. per child in Missouri.




Only if the child is born in the United States, otherwise they can't get any benefits.

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Wed 05/12/10 06:59 AM
$200 a month. I know someone that sends home that amount. Here that wouldn't even pay rent. But that takes care of his mother for a month. He is the oldest son. He is not only taking care of his mother, but he also has a very ill brother that is hospitialized.

I would prefer that someone send $200 out of the country to family then to spend it on 'crap' here in the US.

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Wed 05/12/10 07:01 AM


I am having difficulty finding a government site which verifies someone can receive 1500 per child in assistance,,,also verifying that undocumented immigrants are eligible for monetary or public assistance....


anyone have an actual POST with a link to verification,,not just a commentary or opinion?


Illegal identification, either way...welfare is hardly soaking up that much in tax payer money. Medical and education is what is killing us in the pocket...but whatever, not like very many of you do research.


*claps hands*

Yes, the bulk of state budgets are for Medicaid and education.
The bulk of federal budget is military and Medicare.

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 05/12/10 07:01 AM

I would prefer that someone send $200 out of the country to family then to spend it on 'crap' here in the US.


And here we are, in an economical crisis. I'm not saying that what he does is wrong, obviously taking care of family should be a top priority for anyone...but we really do need people to spend money on 'crap' here in the states, otherwise our economy is really going to tank and we won't have anything to come home to.


tanyaann's photo
Wed 05/12/10 07:05 AM


I would prefer that someone send $200 out of the country to family then to spend it on 'crap' here in the US.


And here we are, in an economical crisis. I'm not saying that what he does is wrong, obviously taking care of family should be a top priority for anyone...but we really do need people to spend money on 'crap' here in the states, otherwise our economy is really going to tank and we won't have anything to come home to.




This person is spending money here on crap and saving it in a bank account. So, if that $200 wasn't going out of the country, it would be sitting in a checking account doing nothing. Unlike most americans, this person knows the importance of saving for the future. (even myself haven't saved anything, and don't plan on it until I am done with school).

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 05/12/10 07:10 AM



I would prefer that someone send $200 out of the country to family then to spend it on 'crap' here in the US.


And here we are, in an economical crisis. I'm not saying that what he does is wrong, obviously taking care of family should be a top priority for anyone...but we really do need people to spend money on 'crap' here in the states, otherwise our economy is really going to tank and we won't have anything to come home to.




This person is spending money here on crap and saving it in a bank account. So, if that $200 wasn't going out of the country, it would be sitting in a checking account doing nothing. Unlike most americans, this person knows the importance of saving for the future. (even myself haven't saved anything, and don't plan on it until I am done with school).


Actually, sitting in a bank account still adds to our countries capital...not much granted, but it does still add to the economy. Either way, I was just making an observation.flowerforyou

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