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Topic: That Shovel Don't Fit My Hand ...
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Mon 05/10/10 07:42 PM
And people are SURPRISED by the fact that people who can get 99 WEEKS of UNEMPLOYMENT actually don't WANT to WORK anymore ... ? Jeez. This is such a no-brainer ... but these are the tactics that the DemoComs are using in an attempt to do more high-level vote-buying for the next round of elections ... Who wants to bet the current 99-week maximum will be extended before the November elections ... ? Take the home team plus five ...

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http://detnews.com/article/20100510/BIZ/5100335

Last Updated: May 10. 2010 8:17AM

Landscapers find workers choosing jobless pay

Jaclyn Trop / The Detroit News

In a state with the nation's highest jobless rate, landscaping companies are finding some job applicants are rejecting work offers so they can continue collecting unemployment benefits.

It is unclear whether this trend is affecting other seasonal industries. But the fact that some seasonal landscaping workers choose to stay home and collect a check from the state, rather than work outside for a full week and spend money for gas, taxes and other expenses, raises questions about whether extended unemployment benefits give the jobless an incentive to avoid work.

Members of the Michigan Nursery and Landscape Association "have told me that they have a lot of people applying but that when they actually talk to them, it turns out that they're on unemployment and not looking for work," said Amy Frankmann, the group's executive director. "It is starting to make things difficult."

Chris Pompeo, vice president of operations for Landscape America in Warren, said he has had about a dozen offers declined. One applicant, who had eight weeks to go until his state unemployment benefits ran out, asked for a deferred start date.

"It's like, you've got to be kidding me," Pompeo said. "It's frustrating. It's honestly something I've never seen before. They say, 'Oh, OK,' like I surprised them by offering them a job."

Some job applicants are asking to be paid in cash so they can collect unemployment illegally, said Gayle Younglove, vice president at Outdoor Experts Inc. in Romulus.

"Unfortunately, we feel the economy is promoting more and more people and companies to play the system and get paid or collect cash money so they don't have to pay taxes," Younglove said.

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Mon 05/10/10 07:47 PM
I had several people on my route happy that they extened it this last time. One even told me he was glad he didn't have to start looking for a job. His exact words were "why shuld I look for a job when I'm getting $1,000 a month". He hasn't worked for allmost a year and a half now. I'm sure he's not the only one with those thoughts.

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Mon 05/10/10 07:53 PM

I had several people on my route happy that they extened it this last time. One even told me he was glad he didn't have to start looking for a job. His exact words were "why shuld I look for a job when I'm getting $1,000 a month". He hasn't worked for allmost a year and a half now. I'm sure he's not the only one with those thoughts.



the first thing Id like to know is where can anyone get ninety nine weeks,,, in las vegas our max is 32


second thing is,, Id like to know how those folks are surviving,,,sorry but the simple math is with rent between six and eight hundred a month, not to mention the price of gasoline, and utilities,,,(those on unemployment are ineligible for monetary assistance of any other sort),,,,Id much rather be working but of course,, Im not gonna take a pay CUT to do so as that would defeat the purpose of having time to find something to REPLACE lost income

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Mon 05/10/10 07:59 PM


I had several people on my route happy that they extened it this last time. One even told me he was glad he didn't have to start looking for a job. His exact words were "why shuld I look for a job when I'm getting $1,000 a month". He hasn't worked for allmost a year and a half now. I'm sure he's not the only one with those thoughts.



the first thing Id like to know is where can anyone get ninety nine weeks,,, in las vegas our max is 32


second thing is,, Id like to know how those folks are surviving,,,sorry but the simple math is with rent between six and eight hundred a month, not to mention the price of gasoline, and utilities,,,(those on unemployment are ineligible for monetary assistance of any other sort),,,,Id much rather be working but of course,, Im not gonna take a pay CUT to do so as that would defeat the purpose of having time to find something to REPLACE lost income


Answer???

Sitting on their fat lazy Azzes!

Especially if 'Wifey' is working a job. Men and women can and will milk any situation. Heck, my father spent so much time with his *** in a couch he left a rut in more than one! Boy was he a loafer on my mom!

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Mon 05/10/10 08:04 PM
My ex's sister was a manager in the housing loan department of a bank for 25 years. They had abolished her position.

That unemployment extension and her Cobra kept her going until she found employment. Luckily for her, that same bank recently offered her another managerial position. Housing loan requests are going up here again and they needed her back.

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Mon 05/10/10 08:06 PM

I had several people on my route happy that they extened it this last time. One even told me he was glad he didn't have to start looking for a job. His exact words were "why shuld I look for a job when I'm getting $1,000 a month". He hasn't worked for allmost a year and a half now. I'm sure he's not the only one with those thoughts.


Was he single? If he wasn't, $1,000 per month for 2 people is poverty income.

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Mon 05/10/10 08:10 PM


I had several people on my route happy that they extened it this last time. One even told me he was glad he didn't have to start looking for a job. His exact words were "why shuld I look for a job when I'm getting $1,000 a month". He hasn't worked for allmost a year and a half now. I'm sure he's not the only one with those thoughts.


Was he single? If he wasn't, $1,000 per month for 2 people is poverty income.

Yes he's single but he has a roommate.
My point was he isn't even going to look for a job as long as they keep extending benifits.

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Mon 05/10/10 08:11 PM

And people are SURPRISED by the fact that people who can get 99 WEEKS of UNEMPLOYMENT actually don't WANT to WORK anymore ... ? Jeez. This is such a no-brainer ... but these are the tactics that the DemoComs are using in an attempt to do more high-level vote-buying for the next round of elections ... Who wants to bet the current 99-week maximum will be extended before the November elections ... ? Take the home team plus five ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://detnews.com/article/20100510/BIZ/5100335

Last Updated: May 10. 2010 8:17AM

Landscapers find workers choosing jobless pay

Jaclyn Trop / The Detroit News

In a state with the nation's highest jobless rate, landscaping companies are finding some job applicants are rejecting work offers so they can continue collecting unemployment benefits.

It is unclear whether this trend is affecting other seasonal industries. But the fact that some seasonal landscaping workers choose to stay home and collect a check from the state, rather than work outside for a full week and spend money for gas, taxes and other expenses, raises questions about whether extended unemployment benefits give the jobless an incentive to avoid work.

Members of the Michigan Nursery and Landscape Association "have told me that they have a lot of people applying but that when they actually talk to them, it turns out that they're on unemployment and not looking for work," said Amy Frankmann, the group's executive director. "It is starting to make things difficult."

Chris Pompeo, vice president of operations for Landscape America in Warren, said he has had about a dozen offers declined. One applicant, who had eight weeks to go until his state unemployment benefits ran out, asked for a deferred start date.

"It's like, you've got to be kidding me," Pompeo said. "It's frustrating. It's honestly something I've never seen before. They say, 'Oh, OK,' like I surprised them by offering them a job."

Some job applicants are asking to be paid in cash so they can collect unemployment illegally, said Gayle Younglove, vice president at Outdoor Experts Inc. in Romulus.

"Unfortunately, we feel the economy is promoting more and more people and companies to play the system and get paid or collect cash money so they don't have to pay taxes," Younglove said.



On the flip side of the coin, those who were getting unempl that I knew were fervently searching for a job. They had a terrible time finding one. One of my friends even took a job delivering pizza to try to get by but he lost his apt, car before he finally found a job. He was unemployed for almost a year.

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Mon 05/10/10 08:11 PM


the first thing Id like to know is where can anyone get ninety nine weeks,,, in las vegas our max is 32


Has anyone checked california? We seem to be socialist capital of america.


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Mon 05/10/10 09:06 PM



Members of the Michigan Nursery and Landscape Association "have told me that they have a lot of people applying but that when they actually talk to them, it turns out that they're on unemployment and not looking for work," said Amy Frankmann, the group's executive director. "It is starting to make things difficult."




Now, if those employers are getting applicants, and when they CALL those applicants they are told that the person isn't " looking for work ", then a simple call to the Department involved in paying out benefits would solve that problem in a hurry.

Here in Michigan, one of the requirements to receive benefits is that you have to be " available " to work AND looking for work. However, they don't expect someone to go from making 50k a year to 30k, or to drive an " unreasonable " distance to get to work.

If the employers called the Department and reported what they were told, then the Department would cut off the benefits.

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Mon 05/10/10 09:35 PM
Where are people getting a 1,000 a month. I was getting 326!

Now, when dad is unemployed he gets close to that, but he's a Union workeer, and is generally making 25-40 an hour when he works, so it still doesn't balance out, but it's the max Texas provides.

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Mon 05/10/10 09:39 PM
I was getting $480.00 a week for unemployment after I was laid off from my welding job back in 2002.Considering I was in my mid twenties,never collected unemployment,and never went a few weeks with out a job I decided to milk that paycheck for all it was worth.

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Mon 05/10/10 09:47 PM
I say, cut the apron strings. No more extensions.

If they float, great. If they sink, sorry 'bout that.

If they're offered a job, even if it's beneath them, cut 'em off.

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Mon 05/10/10 11:04 PM
I am not a person who is going to complain about unemployment.Half of that money they are getting for unemployment is from the company they used to work for.When I was laid off during the first recession under Bush I took a two month vacation and started looking for work again.Nobody was hiring.Even in my trade as a mechanic and welder you can usualy find work.But not this time.I was turning in 5-8 job applications every day.Even if you did get a call back there was 50 people in line.One person I talked to said he had recieved over 1,000 applications for one job.The months kept ticking away.6 months,8 months.I was applying for anything.Target,Walgreens,Safeway.Even the daily work for daily pay was not taking new people.I finally got a job on my last week of unemployment.The person interviewing me said I was "Over qualified"and didn't want to hire me.I told him I would sign what ever he wanted.2 year contract,3 year contract.I wasn't going anywhere.He finally agreed and I had a job.I had been unemployed for a year and a half.


Many people do not believe you can be unemployed for that long.That there is always jobs somewhere.But I am telling you first hand I would have gladly scrubbed toilets for minium wage.After that first year went by I was so depressed from job rejection I gave up and decided not to look for work any more.I would drive down the road and nearly every business I drove by I could remember turning in a job application there.I figured if I ran out of money I would have to live in my car or under a bridge until the economy got better.

This ecomomy is terrible.I know there is a lot of good people who want to work but can't find a work at any pay rate.Unemployment is all they have.When the Government tosses around a few hundred billion dollars to banks like it's nothing,and blows billions a day on all kinds of other stupid crap,something is wrong when it doesn't want to support the very person who was working and paying taxes.

If our taxes are going to some person to keep food on the table I am all for it.I am not for welfare because many of those people can work but choose not to.People collecting unemployment were working but more than likely lost their job by no fault of their own,and will likely work again.




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Mon 05/10/10 11:23 PM




Members of the Michigan Nursery and Landscape Association "have told me that they have a lot of people applying but that when they actually talk to them, it turns out that they're on unemployment and not looking for work," said Amy Frankmann, the group's executive director. "It is starting to make things difficult."




Now, if those employers are getting applicants, and when they CALL those applicants they are told that the person isn't " looking for work ", then a simple call to the Department involved in paying out benefits would solve that problem in a hurry.

Here in Michigan, one of the requirements to receive benefits is that you have to be " available " to work AND looking for work. However, they don't expect someone to go from making 50k a year to 30k, or to drive an " unreasonable " distance to get to work.

If the employers called the Department and reported what they were told, then the Department would cut off the benefits.



only if the payment offered were less than the benefits ,,,,,,,I have turned down minimum wage offers when on unemployment ,,,unless there is an option to be paid the difference,,,

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Mon 05/10/10 11:25 PM

Where are people getting a 1,000 a month. I was getting 326!

Now, when dad is unemployed he gets close to that, but he's a Union workeer, and is generally making 25-40 an hour when he works, so it still doesn't balance out, but it's the max Texas provides.


as far as my experience goes,, it is figured on a percentage of what ones normal income is,,,,

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Mon 05/10/10 11:26 PM


Where are people getting a 1,000 a month. I was getting 326!

Now, when dad is unemployed he gets close to that, but he's a Union workeer, and is generally making 25-40 an hour when he works, so it still doesn't balance out, but it's the max Texas provides.


as far as my experience goes,, it is figured on a percentage of what ones normal income is,,,,


Yep. Here in Michigan, it's 60% of your normal wage.

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Mon 05/10/10 11:28 PM





Members of the Michigan Nursery and Landscape Association "have told me that they have a lot of people applying but that when they actually talk to them, it turns out that they're on unemployment and not looking for work," said Amy Frankmann, the group's executive director. "It is starting to make things difficult."




Now, if those employers are getting applicants, and when they CALL those applicants they are told that the person isn't " looking for work ", then a simple call to the Department involved in paying out benefits would solve that problem in a hurry.

Here in Michigan, one of the requirements to receive benefits is that you have to be " available " to work AND looking for work. However, they don't expect someone to go from making 50k a year to 30k, or to drive an " unreasonable " distance to get to work.

If the employers called the Department and reported what they were told, then the Department would cut off the benefits.



only if the payment offered were less than the benefits ,,,,,,,I have turned down minimum wage offers when on unemployment ,,,unless there is an option to be paid the difference,,,


Like I said...there are " hardship " exceptions.

if the difference in pay between what you were making and what you would make is too large, or if you would have to drive an " unreasonable " distance for the job are two of them.

However, if it's relatively close to where you live, and the pay isn't that far off...you WILL have your benefits removed for refusing work.

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Tue 05/11/10 07:34 AM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 05/11/10 07:37 AM
Oh well, just let those who think they deserve hold out til the welfare runs out,(after your allotted allocation runs out, I see it as welfare.), you can find yourself where many like thinkers already are. In th' streets.

When you find yourself there, just close your eyes, hold Toto close, click the heels of your shiny red shoes three times and and say,"I just wanna' go back home."

Unless Hussein can pull yer rabbit out oh his hat, the company that went bye-bye, ain't comin' back.

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Tue 05/11/10 07:42 AM
would be interesting,, to see what life would be like if we suddenly allowed those FIVE people per open job who arent hired to just have NOTHING,,,,,,,,,IM sure it would be as wise as letting loose the mentally ill from the institutions,,,,but time will tell

people dont starve gracefully,,,,,while others live off the RESIDUAL efforts they have put in,,

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