Topic: Immigration Laws Put Five Million Children at Risk of Family
msharmony's photo
Tue 05/04/10 06:11 PM


I sure hope none of the people who are saying "send em home" regardless of their children are members of "Focus on the Family".laugh

Like I said. They have a choice to stick together. They can choose to go home with the Illegal.

Do I hear an Amen to report and deport?:banana: :banana:



yeah,, Im sympathetic,, but when you break the rules you take the risks of the consequences of being caught,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/04/10 06:14 PM



I sure hope none of the people who are saying "send em home" regardless of their children are members of "Focus on the Family".laugh

Like I said. They have a choice to stick together. They can choose to go home with the Illegal.

Do I hear an Amen to report and deport?:banana: :banana:



yeah,, Im sympathetic,, but when you break the rules you take the risks of the consequences of being caught,,,


I also posted on another thread that profiling(which I also had issue with) is no longer an issue,,,,for those who missed it , these are the changes made to AZ immigration law

The changes include one strengthening restrictions against using race or ethnicity as the basis for questioning by police and inserts those same restrictions in other parts of the law.

Another change states that immigration-status questions would follow a law enforcement officer's stopping, detaining or arresting a person while enforcing another law. The earlier law had referred to a "contact" with police.

Another change specifies that possible violations of local civil ordinances can trigger questioning on immigration status.

Both the law and the changes to it will take effect July 29 unless blocked by a court or referendum filing.

Lawmakers approved the follow-on bill several hours before ending their 2010 session.

The sponsor, state Sen. Russell Pearce, unveiled the changes at a House-Senate conference committee Thursday. He later said the revisions would not change how the law is implemented but provide clarifications on intent and to make the bill more defensible in court"

from aol.com

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 05/04/10 06:28 PM

I sure hope none of the people who are saying "send em home" regardless of their children are members of "Focus on the Family".laugh


Don't worry - "FOF" would never make a blanket policy about poeple, unless they first determined sexual orintation.....That doesn't mean they won't come up with some new and amazing scientific data indicating the Latina crowd is more likely to be gay if they are not Catholic - and of course either of those is against something they believe in - ya think?

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 05/04/10 07:01 PM

The children of this country suffering is a concern of all the people in this country.

There is no excuse for us to make children suffer unduly.




We cannot save every life, we cannot prevent personal hardships and attempting to do so only undermines the noblest aspects of humanity –the individual virtues and values we discover, develop, and embrace as we plod through the worst of times.

The children of THIS COUNTRY (as humans) are no better, worse, or differnt than the children anywhere in the world. So what makes the kids HERE more deserving of being HERE than kids anywhere else in the world?

Whatever they will suffer is not directly in our hands, nor is their future. Their lives do not belong to us, nor to their parents. Our responsibility to children is no more or less than our responsibility to every other human being.

That being said, we have to realize that not every human being needs to live in America or be American to have the best of everything or even a great life. The standared of living in America is not sustainable for us - we certainly cannot bring more people here to live it. Sending a child to another country - a home country of the parent, is not the worst thing that may ever happen to that child. We may, in fact, be making their life worse by attempting to keep them all here.




AndyBgood's photo
Tue 05/04/10 08:47 PM



I dunno. I can tell on sight whether a person is a Mexican or a American hispanic. there is a cultural difference. I see em all day every day


Why did you specify Mexican or Hispanic people at all?


Am I Mexican or American Hispanic??


My Trinidadian friends who are naturalized citizens consider themselves... American.

If you were born here, your American.

If you are naturalized, you are an American.

To everyone who keeps pulling the race card out does it matter what you were in the past or what you are now?

And now would someone PLEASE show me where in the hell Afro America is? No maps I look at does not have Afro America listed!

Someone told me Afro America was President Lincoln with an Afro!


JustAGuy2112's photo
Tue 05/04/10 09:10 PM

I dunno. I can tell on sight whether a person is a Mexican or a American hispanic. there is a cultural difference. I see em all day every day


Oh hell.

I am still trying to figure out when " Illegal Alien " became a freakin RACE in the first place.

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 05/04/10 09:43 PM
I guess if America is racist for deporting and arresting illegal aliens so is the entire world.Every country in the world has laws dealing with illegals aliens and they are much more severe than ours.I suppose it must also be racist to put up a border fence in any country in the world since you are preventing every race in the world from entering your country anytime they want.I guess it's also racist to put people in jail(except for white people)since laws keep mothers and fathers from seeing and supporting their children while in jail.Maybe we should just tear down all the fences in the entire world.Everyone should just be able to do anything they want anytime they want in any country they want even if that includes murder,rape,and robbery because gosh darn it they have families and children.


willing2's photo
Wed 05/05/10 07:54 AM
My mother-in-law died April 1st of this year. When I first married her daughter she wouldn't shake my hand with a firm grip. A little while later, she held my arm to steady herself when I took her shopping. Folks that new her and her husband were shocked and they ran and told the husband,(my father-in-law), they saw Lupe holding hands with a big Gringo. He puffed up his chest and told them that gringo was his son-in-law.

A couple weeks ago, I took my father-in-law to the SS office. While waiting, I heard this old, frail man telling the worker he had been kicked out of one place because they raised the rent and couldn't afford it. Said, he was now homeless. Remember, he was old and desperate and figured SS could help find him an apartment or raise his SS so he could afford rent.

They told him there was nothing they could do for him and finished business.

When he got up to leave, he looked almost a foot shorter, his eyes were much more hollow and looking like his world was shattered.

I went outside and talked with him. Told him I had heard his story and asked if he'd like to come stay with me for a while.

He told me no but, he'd appreciate it if I would give him a ride to the bus station so he could get a ticket. His son would take him in. He was sad because he had lived his whole life in this area. All his friends that were still alive were here and where his son was, he knew noone. BTW, he was a naturalized,(legal)US Citizen from Mexico. He got his citizenship so long ago, he had forgotten all the English he had learned to pass the test.

I could go on and on boring you with more stories like this.

The point of all this rambling is, go ahead and call people like me, (Anti-Illegal Alien/Pro-Legal Immigrant), haters and bigots. We won't get pisssed, cuz, we don't own the accusations.whoa
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no photo
Wed 05/05/10 08:46 AM
The law didn't put the kids at risk ... the parent's REFUSAL TO OBEY THE LAW put the kids at risk. There's a HUGE difference there. Say 'personal responsibility' and 'accountability'. If they'd chosen the LEGAL way, the problem would be moot. I'm not opposed to immigration 'cuz my own family emigrated to here from other countries. I am opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. Again, there's a difference. Come in legally, and I will welcome you. Come in illegally, and I'll do my best to help you leave. No sympathy for line-jumpers when others doing it the legal way are still waiting.

don2610's photo
Wed 05/05/10 09:03 AM
The children are at risk and they have their parents to blame. If their parents had stayed in there own country and fought for freedom ,instead they come to the U.S. were the work has already been done. In 1900 there was an influx of people from europe asia and many other countries. They too flooded the shores of the Atlantic ocean looking for a better life but at that time the U.S. was young and needed the people to grow, they became the work force that was needed to build this country that others have snuck in and have taken advantage of. These people were all recorded and eventually became citizens. Why are there so many hiding today? People from other countries don't realize the price our forefathers paid for U.S citzens to live like we do. People from other countries are not willing to pay that price, they are afraid to lay down there own life for the freedom of their childrens children.

bedlum1's photo
Wed 05/05/10 09:23 AM
again they shouldnt be here ILLEGALY...
sorry.... is it sad? yes..but we have our own problems to deal with first...

willing2's photo
Wed 05/05/10 09:24 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 05/05/10 09:31 AM

The children are at risk and they have their parents to blame. If their parents had stayed in there own country and fought for freedom ,instead they come to the U.S. were the work has already been done. In 1900 there was an influx of people from europe asia and many other countries. They too flooded the shores of the Atlantic ocean looking for a better life but at that time the U.S. was young and needed the people to grow, they became the work force that was needed to build this country that others have snuck in and have taken advantage of. These people were all recorded and eventually became citizens. Why are there so many hiding today? People from other countries don't realize the price our forefathers paid for U.S citzens to live like we do. People from other countries are not willing to pay that price, they are afraid to lay down there own life for the freedom of their childrens children.


True American thinking!!

These same Illegals, every year dissing our country and out in the streets demanding Amnesty. They don't want to earn the right.

How many of the up to 20 million Illegals have said, I will lay down my life to fight alongside troops in the wars?

Spoiled and demanding!!

Report, deport. Prosecute all who will transport, harbor, house, attempt to give them amnesty or hire them. Including presidents and other politicians. The ones who have it bassackwards. The illegal is the terrorist, not the Citizen and Legal Immigrant.

This part is already Law. Prosecute all who will transport, harbor, house, or hire them. Hmmmm! Who's not enforcing our Laws?

no photo
Wed 05/05/10 10:19 AM


..if theyve broken the law then they should be deported,if theyre so worried about the children ..send them with'em..problem solved..NEXT
..and considering leaders should lead by example ..start with Obama's aunt..how can an illegal be so blatantly in the picture and still be here,living in housing paid for by us..LOL..gotta love the double standard bs...smokin..obviously there are separate laws for the haves and have nots...


..funny how nobody worried about the children while houses were being foreclosed on ...HA

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/05/10 10:45 AM



..if theyve broken the law then they should be deported,if theyre so worried about the children ..send them with'em..problem solved..NEXT
..and considering leaders should lead by example ..start with Obama's aunt..how can an illegal be so blatantly in the picture and still be here,living in housing paid for by us..LOL..gotta love the double standard bs...smokin..obviously there are separate laws for the haves and have nots...


..funny how nobody worried about the children while houses were being foreclosed on ...HA




actually, the aunt used LEGAL channels which are available for everyone, to try to gain refuge,,,,, and the President could no more step in to deport her than he could step in to ensure her refuge, it would be special treatement ...

otherwise, yeah there is a double standard,, those who go through the legal process and risk refusal dont get the sympathy and political backing that those who break the law and forego the process to get here do

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 05/05/10 11:02 AM
Here is another take on this. I was talking to my neighbors yesterday about the new AZ immigration. The parents became legal US citizens and moved to Texas. There 3 kids were born in the US. They went through the legal and proper channels and are proud that they did. They get angry with those that are here illegally. They wanted to become Americans and their children to be Americans for a better life. They fully support the AZ laws and wants Texas to have the same.

If someone is here illegally then they should be deported and they need to go through the proper procedures. The parents are responsible. I guess I am missing how it's inhumane to deport to deport someone here illegally. How would they be mistreated just by deporting them? If I broke the law, then I only have myself to blame and I would take responsibility if it affects my family.

If I was doing drugs and the police arrested me and my son was sent to family members or foster care, then that would be due to my actions.

I would think those that are here legally would be upset (as my neighbors are) that others are taking short cuts and expecting what legal citizens worked hard for.

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/05/10 01:54 PM

Here is another take on this. I was talking to my neighbors yesterday about the new AZ immigration. The parents became legal US citizens and moved to Texas. There 3 kids were born in the US. They went through the legal and proper channels and are proud that they did. They get angry with those that are here illegally. They wanted to become Americans and their children to be Americans for a better life. They fully support the AZ laws and wants Texas to have the same.

If someone is here illegally then they should be deported and they need to go through the proper procedures. The parents are responsible. I guess I am missing how it's inhumane to deport to deport someone here illegally. How would they be mistreated just by deporting them? If I broke the law, then I only have myself to blame and I would take responsibility if it affects my family.

If I was doing drugs and the police arrested me and my son was sent to family members or foster care, then that would be due to my actions.

I would think those that are here legally would be upset (as my neighbors are) that others are taking short cuts and expecting what legal citizens worked hard for.



seems reasonable to me,,,

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/05/10 04:04 PM

Here is another take on this. I was talking to my neighbors yesterday about the new AZ immigration. The parents became legal US citizens and moved to Texas. There 3 kids were born in the US. They went through the legal and proper channels and are proud that they did. They get angry with those that are here illegally. They wanted to become Americans and their children to be Americans for a better life. They fully support the AZ laws and wants Texas to have the same.

If someone is here illegally then they should be deported and they need to go through the proper procedures. The parents are responsible. I guess I am missing how it's inhumane to deport to deport someone here illegally. How would they be mistreated just by deporting them? If I broke the law, then I only have myself to blame and I would take responsibility if it affects my family.

If I was doing drugs and the police arrested me and my son was sent to family members or foster care, then that would be due to my actions.

I would think those that are here legally would be upset (as my neighbors are) that others are taking short cuts and expecting what legal citizens worked hard for.


My next door neighbor is a naturalized citizen an feels exactly the same way.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 05/05/10 05:55 PM
Edited by JustAGuy2112 on Wed 05/05/10 05:56 PM

Here is another take on this. I was talking to my neighbors yesterday about the new AZ immigration. The parents became legal US citizens and moved to Texas. There 3 kids were born in the US. They went through the legal and proper channels and are proud that they did. They get angry with those that are here illegally. They wanted to become Americans and their children to be Americans for a better life. They fully support the AZ laws and wants Texas to have the same.

If someone is here illegally then they should be deported and they need to go through the proper procedures. The parents are responsible. I guess I am missing how it's inhumane to deport to deport someone here illegally. How would they be mistreated just by deporting them? If I broke the law, then I only have myself to blame and I would take responsibility if it affects my family.

If I was doing drugs and the police arrested me and my son was sent to family members or foster care, then that would be due to my actions.

I would think those that are here legally would be upset (as my neighbors are) that others are taking short cuts and expecting what legal citizens worked hard for.


Oh come on now.

Don't you know that the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who went through the proper channels and put the time and effort and MONEY into becoming LEGAL CITIZENS are " racists " if they don't want to see ILLEGAL immigrants rewarded with a free pass??

I mean, that's what every person in the country who SUPPORTS AZ is being called.

It has nothing to do with people wanting the LAW enforced.

It doesn't matter if the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS want the law enforced.

They're nothing but a bunch of " racists ".

The ability of the Libs to label people, even people of SAME RACE, " racist " if they don't support the Liberal Agenda never ceases to amaze me.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 05/05/10 05:59 PM


The children of this country suffering is a concern of all the people in this country.

There is no excuse for us to make children suffer unduly.




We cannot save every life, we cannot prevent personal hardships and attempting to do so only undermines the noblest aspects of humanity –the individual virtues and values we discover, develop, and embrace as we plod through the worst of times.

The children of THIS COUNTRY (as humans) are no better, worse, or differnt than the children anywhere in the world. So what makes the kids HERE more deserving of being HERE than kids anywhere else in the world?

Whatever they will suffer is not directly in our hands, nor is their future. Their lives do not belong to us, nor to their parents. Our responsibility to children is no more or less than our responsibility to every other human being.

That being said, we have to realize that not every human being needs to live in America or be American to have the best of everything or even a great life. The standared of living in America is not sustainable for us - we certainly cannot bring more people here to live it. Sending a child to another country - a home country of the parent, is not the worst thing that may ever happen to that child. We may, in fact, be making their life worse by attempting to keep them all here.






If the children are close to us, as in being in this country that makes it more of our responsibility. As in charity starts at home.

I never said keep them here to begin with.

I never said send them away.

I said it is sad that the children suffer period.

It is always sad to see the children suffer.

willing2's photo
Wed 05/05/10 06:01 PM
My whole block is Mexican except me and they would all drop a dime on the Terrorist Invader.