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IF certain illegal immigrants are treated differently than all the illegal immigrants before them who have been deported,,,,, it is a type of discrimination as real as allowing one race or gender of men opportunities to work and not others,,,,
it is far from victimless or just |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic....
No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic.... No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. It is a sad fact of life, but people must think of this before and not demand that government excuse their offenses after because they have had children,, enforcing the laws isnt based upon childlessness or parenthood... |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic.... No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. You ALSO can't answer why I am " wrong ". I really wouldn't mind hearing it from an " Unaffiliated " ( what a joke ) person so full of wisdom such as yourself. Oh...and by the way....last I checked...." ignorancy " isn't a word. |
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something to think about:
Tax evasion. If an American evades taxes, the government will come after them and their property to get the taxes paid for and they could end up in prison. What about their kids? Won't they suffer? Should we let people stop paying their taxes? Is this victimless and should be let go and not punished? American are expected to follow the laws of this country. If they don't then they (if/when caught) will face the consequences of their actions. If illegals want the same benefits as Americans, then they should follow the same law that is in this country. One of those laws is to not be here illegally. The people here illegally put themselves in that position that will affect their family. Any illegal (no matter what country they are from) is illegal. Those that are here legally are Americans. Others are not. The punishment does fit the crime. They are here illegally and will be deported to their country. If the punishment was to cut a finger off (r something) every time they were caught here illegally, then that wouldn't fit the crime and be inhumane IMO |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic.... No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. You ALSO can't answer why I am " wrong ". I really wouldn't mind hearing it from an " Unaffiliated " ( what a joke ) person so full of wisdom such as yourself. Oh...and by the way....last I checked...." ignorancy " isn't a word. You are wrong to say a rally for becoming an American or to support those who want to be American is a handout. You can't make that into a handout. It was a rally. It was people speaking out. That is all. No handouts. So you are wrong. Do I need to say it slower? YYYYOOOUUUU AAAAARRREEEEE WWWWWRRRROOONNGGG Better? |
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Alright msharmony, to your argument of sending food, let us take Haiti for example why it is a bad idea!
Haiti received hundreds of millions is subsidized food and cheap import rice for so long they gained a dependency on imported food. Being good Catholics they breed like crazy. Then when disaster struck they had no ability to feed themselves. They utterly destroyed their own ability to support themselves. Other nations face this reality as well like many African nations. A lot of them when they tossed out all the white farmers they couldn't run their own damn farms and the land went fallow. And they had the balls to ask the farmers they threw out to come back to show them how to do it right. Aid here and there isn't bad. CONSTANTLY giving them food in the name of aid is wrong and counterproductive. Without motivation people do not act for themselves! That is a fact mo matter how ANYONE chooses to try to argue the finer points of this statement. Now Dragoness your turn, the Vitriol you spew must lubricate the path you glide upon your surfboard of racism. Evidently trying to entertain a debate with you is about as productive as Draining lake Erie with an eye dropper. Everyone and everything that rubs your personal beliefs and political sensationalizes wrong are suddenly branded racist. God I wish I could introduce you to some real Perckerwoods I know so you can meet REAL racists. There is such a huge difference between enforcing the law and racism but you cannot see the difference. You want us to be so generous and so giving but at what expense to US as in the plural sense? You seem to forget personal accountability also applies to all these "poor" nations. Until you can change human nature globally your argument is trite and that is putting it nicely. You attack people more than debate an issue logically and you refute logical argument as heartless. Sorry but life itself doesn't care a rat's *** about anyone. Life itself is all about who is stronger than the other. So I take it you are so self deluded that if a tsunami was sweeping the nation you would defy it and stand in its path while the rest of us run for our lives? Well, illegal immigration is more akin to a plague of locusts. They come, they consume EVERYTHING, and then they move on to greener pastures. And then you got to toss in "the children" and BAIT people into your little killing zone and brand them as Racist and hateful. Please do not speak of the mote in my eye until you remove the log in yours please! Damn, I just got Biblical on you again! Nothing personal but your debate style is immature. Seriously, is that the only thing you can fall back on defending your position? I know for a fact I am not completely right but I sure as hell am far from being completely wrong! WAY too many other people see things in the light I see them but not in the same shades of color they are seeing them. I think it sucks that kids have to suffer but their parents need to account for having them in the first place. NOT US! That is responsible parenting! Not spewing kids out in the name of God and heavenly reward! What part of personal responsibility do you refuse to understand? |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic.... No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. You ALSO can't answer why I am " wrong ". I really wouldn't mind hearing it from an " Unaffiliated " ( what a joke ) person so full of wisdom such as yourself. Oh...and by the way....last I checked...." ignorancy " isn't a word. You are wrong to say a rally for becoming an American or to support those who want to be American is a handout. You can't make that into a handout. It was a rally. It was people speaking out. That is all. No handouts. So you are wrong. Do I need to say it slower? YYYYOOOUUUU AAAAARRREEEEE WWWWWRRRROOONNGGG Better? They are/were DEMANDING no punishment. They are/were DEMANDING that they be REWARDED for breaking the laws of this country. THAT IS a HANDOUT. They are/were DEMANDING that citizenship be HANDED to them. THAT IS a HANDOUT. And they are/were DEMANDING it. How much more clearly do you need it to be spelled out for you?? Oh wait. Never mind. You can't see outside that little box you live in. |
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Alright msharmony, to your argument of sending food, let us take Haiti for example why it is a bad idea! Haiti received hundreds of millions is subsidized food and cheap import rice for so long they gained a dependency on imported food. Being good Catholics they breed like crazy. Then when disaster struck they had no ability to feed themselves. They utterly destroyed their own ability to support themselves. Other nations face this reality as well like many African nations. A lot of them when they tossed out all the white farmers they couldn't run their own damn farms and the land went fallow. And they had the balls to ask the farmers they threw out to come back to show them how to do it right. Aid here and there isn't bad. CONSTANTLY giving them food in the name of aid is wrong and counterproductive. Without motivation people do not act for themselves! That is a fact mo matter how ANYONE chooses to try to argue the finer points of this statement. Now Dragoness your turn, the Vitriol you spew must lubricate the path you glide upon your surfboard of racism. Evidently trying to entertain a debate with you is about as productive as Draining lake Erie with an eye dropper. Everyone and everything that rubs your personal beliefs and political sensationalizes wrong are suddenly branded racist. God I wish I could introduce you to some real Perckerwoods I know so you can meet REAL racists. There is such a huge difference between enforcing the law and racism but you cannot see the difference. You want us to be so generous and so giving but at what expense to US as in the plural sense? You seem to forget personal accountability also applies to all these "poor" nations. Until you can change human nature globally your argument is trite and that is putting it nicely. You attack people more than debate an issue logically and you refute logical argument as heartless. Sorry but life itself doesn't care a rat's *** about anyone. Life itself is all about who is stronger than the other. So I take it you are so self deluded that if a tsunami was sweeping the nation you would defy it and stand in its path while the rest of us run for our lives? Well, illegal immigration is more akin to a plague of locusts. They come, they consume EVERYTHING, and then they move on to greener pastures. And then you got to toss in "the children" and BAIT people into your little killing zone and brand them as Racist and hateful. Please do not speak of the mote in my eye until you remove the log in yours please! Damn, I just got Biblical on you again! Nothing personal but your debate style is immature. Seriously, is that the only thing you can fall back on defending your position? I know for a fact I am not completely right but I sure as hell am far from being completely wrong! WAY too many other people see things in the light I see them but not in the same shades of color they are seeing them. I think it sucks that kids have to suffer but their parents need to account for having them in the first place. NOT US! That is responsible parenting! Not spewing kids out in the name of God and heavenly reward! What part of personal responsibility do you refuse to understand? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, Einstein I wish you would read and understand. You are right those who are racist do not always realize what they do or say is racist and discriminatory. You are also right sadly the children will suffer. I wish I would see something worth debating in your posts. Other than that, again you waste the time of an intelligent mind with drivel. I demand my time back for wasting it reading this. |
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I can't answer for a liberal since I am not one so back on topic.... No children should suffer because of the neglect of our government and the ignorancy of people in this country amongst other things. You ALSO can't answer why I am " wrong ". I really wouldn't mind hearing it from an " Unaffiliated " ( what a joke ) person so full of wisdom such as yourself. Oh...and by the way....last I checked...." ignorancy " isn't a word. You are wrong to say a rally for becoming an American or to support those who want to be American is a handout. You can't make that into a handout. It was a rally. It was people speaking out. That is all. No handouts. So you are wrong. Do I need to say it slower? YYYYOOOUUUU AAAAARRREEEEE WWWWWRRRROOONNGGG Better? They are/were DEMANDING no punishment. They are/were DEMANDING that they be REWARDED for breaking the laws of this country. THAT IS a HANDOUT. They are/were DEMANDING that citizenship be HANDED to them. THAT IS a HANDOUT. And they are/were DEMANDING it. How much more clearly do you need it to be spelled out for you?? Oh wait. Never mind. You can't see outside that little box you live in. That is not a hand out, so you are still wrong. |
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Alright msharmony, to your argument of sending food, let us take Haiti for example why it is a bad idea! Haiti received hundreds of millions is subsidized food and cheap import rice for so long they gained a dependency on imported food. Being good Catholics they breed like crazy. Then when disaster struck they had no ability to feed themselves. They utterly destroyed their own ability to support themselves. Other nations face this reality as well like many African nations. A lot of them when they tossed out all the white farmers they couldn't run their own damn farms and the land went fallow. And they had the balls to ask the farmers they threw out to come back to show them how to do it right. Aid here and there isn't bad. CONSTANTLY giving them food in the name of aid is wrong and counterproductive. Without motivation people do not act for themselves! That is a fact mo matter how ANYONE chooses to try to argue the finer points of this statement. Now Dragoness your turn, the Vitriol you spew must lubricate the path you glide upon your surfboard of racism. Evidently trying to entertain a debate with you is about as productive as Draining lake Erie with an eye dropper. Everyone and everything that rubs your personal beliefs and political sensationalizes wrong are suddenly branded racist. God I wish I could introduce you to some real Perckerwoods I know so you can meet REAL racists. There is such a huge difference between enforcing the law and racism but you cannot see the difference. You want us to be so generous and so giving but at what expense to US as in the plural sense? You seem to forget personal accountability also applies to all these "poor" nations. Until you can change human nature globally your argument is trite and that is putting it nicely. You attack people more than debate an issue logically and you refute logical argument as heartless. Sorry but life itself doesn't care a rat's *** about anyone. Life itself is all about who is stronger than the other. So I take it you are so self deluded that if a tsunami was sweeping the nation you would defy it and stand in its path while the rest of us run for our lives? Well, illegal immigration is more akin to a plague of locusts. They come, they consume EVERYTHING, and then they move on to greener pastures. And then you got to toss in "the children" and BAIT people into your little killing zone and brand them as Racist and hateful. Please do not speak of the mote in my eye until you remove the log in yours please! Damn, I just got Biblical on you again! Nothing personal but your debate style is immature. Seriously, is that the only thing you can fall back on defending your position? I know for a fact I am not completely right but I sure as hell am far from being completely wrong! WAY too many other people see things in the light I see them but not in the same shades of color they are seeing them. I think it sucks that kids have to suffer but their parents need to account for having them in the first place. NOT US! That is responsible parenting! Not spewing kids out in the name of God and heavenly reward! What part of personal responsibility do you refuse to understand? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, Einstein I wish you would read and understand. You are right those who are racist do not always realize what they do or say is racist and discriminatory. You are also right sadly the children will suffer. I wish I would see something worth debating in your posts. Other than that, again you waste the time of an intelligent mind with drivel. I demand my time back for wasting it reading this. Nice! You are such an upbeat person! So I am to assume you suddenly have been gifted with a 220 IQ? Is your intelligence FAR superior to mine? I love how you also resort to Alienation attacks but nope I'm not giving in. You are not right, just opinionated. Your inability to argue with cognitive statements other than verbal attacks is nothing other than spectacular. You are getting me all hot and sweaty now! I'm not excited enough to break out the whipped cream and edible undergarments yet though. No I am not giving you your time back. I am a time thief! You been struck by a smooth criminal! Gangsta Style! Larry (Elder), send me outie like Gaudie! Bang bang! |
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Edited by
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Hello, Mr Andy! Hope your night is going well, Sir.
 I just got back from a Cinco De Mayo festival. Mariahis, tacos, gorditas, both the food and women! Como me gusto those ananitas bonitas. Aye caramba!!!
Nice! You are such an upbeat person! So I am to assume you suddenly have been gifted with a 220 IQ? Is your intelligence FAR superior to mine? I love how you also resort to Alienation attacks but nope I'm not giving in. You are not right, just opinionated. Your inability to argue with cognitive statements other than verbal attacks is nothing other than spectacular. You are getting me all hot and sweaty now! I'm not excited enough to break out the whipped cream and edible undergarments yet though.
No I am not giving you your time back. I am a time thief! You been struck by a smooth criminal! Gangsta Style! Larry (Elder), send me outie like Gaudie! Bang bang!<<< This is what my dog does when I tell her Bang Bang.  
Cool!!!^^^^^ It's unfair to do a battle of the minds with an unarmed person. HMMMM! So, I will limit those with whom I respond. Dribble is as dribble does. Life is like a box of chocolates. Ya' never know which one ya' might choke on. You have a great and glorious night and I love your posts!!  
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Alright msharmony, to your argument of sending food, let us take Haiti for example why it is a bad idea! Haiti received hundreds of millions is subsidized food and cheap import rice for so long they gained a dependency on imported food. Being good Catholics they breed like crazy. Then when disaster struck they had no ability to feed themselves. They utterly destroyed their own ability to support themselves. Other nations face this reality as well like many African nations. A lot of them when they tossed out all the white farmers they couldn't run their own damn farms and the land went fallow. And they had the balls to ask the farmers they threw out to come back to show them how to do it right. Aid here and there isn't bad. CONSTANTLY giving them food in the name of aid is wrong and counterproductive. Without motivation people do not act for themselves! That is a fact mo matter how ANYONE chooses to try to argue the finer points of this statement. Now Dragoness your turn, the Vitriol you spew must lubricate the path you glide upon your surfboard of racism. Evidently trying to entertain a debate with you is about as productive as Draining lake Erie with an eye dropper. Everyone and everything that rubs your personal beliefs and political sensationalizes wrong are suddenly branded racist. God I wish I could introduce you to some real Perckerwoods I know so you can meet REAL racists. There is such a huge difference between enforcing the law and racism but you cannot see the difference. You want us to be so generous and so giving but at what expense to US as in the plural sense? You seem to forget personal accountability also applies to all these "poor" nations. Until you can change human nature globally your argument is trite and that is putting it nicely. You attack people more than debate an issue logically and you refute logical argument as heartless. Sorry but life itself doesn't care a rat's *** about anyone. Life itself is all about who is stronger than the other. So I take it you are so self deluded that if a tsunami was sweeping the nation you would defy it and stand in its path while the rest of us run for our lives? Well, illegal immigration is more akin to a plague of locusts. They come, they consume EVERYTHING, and then they move on to greener pastures. And then you got to toss in "the children" and BAIT people into your little killing zone and brand them as Racist and hateful. Please do not speak of the mote in my eye until you remove the log in yours please! Damn, I just got Biblical on you again! Nothing personal but your debate style is immature. Seriously, is that the only thing you can fall back on defending your position? I know for a fact I am not completely right but I sure as hell am far from being completely wrong! WAY too many other people see things in the light I see them but not in the same shades of color they are seeing them. I think it sucks that kids have to suffer but their parents need to account for having them in the first place. NOT US! That is responsible parenting! Not spewing kids out in the name of God and heavenly reward! What part of personal responsibility do you refuse to understand? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, Einstein I wish you would read and understand. You are right those who are racist do not always realize what they do or say is racist and discriminatory. You are also right sadly the children will suffer. I wish I would see something worth debating in your posts. Other than that, again you waste the time of an intelligent mind with drivel. I demand my time back for wasting it reading this. Nice! You are such an upbeat person! So I am to assume you suddenly have been gifted with a 220 IQ? Is your intelligence FAR superior to mine? I love how you also resort to Alienation attacks but nope I'm not giving in. You are not right, just opinionated. Your inability to argue with cognitive statements other than verbal attacks is nothing other than spectacular. You are getting me all hot and sweaty now! I'm not excited enough to break out the whipped cream and edible undergarments yet though. No I am not giving you your time back. I am a time thief! You been struck by a smooth criminal! Gangsta Style! Larry (Elder), send me outie like Gaudie! Bang bang! Very funny but I do still want my time back. Long winded and stating the same thing over and over hoping to make a point is not impressive. I may be short winded but I am on the side of the humane and right thing to do almost always. Call it what you want, it still makes me on the right side of the issue. |
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Andy, at least you are not a crybaby like others are on these boards.
You have my respect at that score. You also have my respect for the fact I can see that you really do attempt to see others points of view, even if you fail, you made the attempt. |
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Lets please get back on topic, and leave the personal comments out.
Thank you, Mark |
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There are a lot of children to be effected by these immigration problems. We must tread carefully and humanely on this issue.
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come on guys....play nice...
i do believe myself AZ has it right and i have NO SIMPATHY for ILLEGALS young or old....SEND EM BACK |
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Here are some of the ones the Pro-Illegal advocates want given amnesty.
WantedDHS Seal ICE Most Wanted mugshot Sevilla, Ignacio Botello Lewd Acts Upon a Child ICE Most Wanted mugshot Chen, Hong Criminal Sexual Assault (on a Child) ICE Most Wanted mugshot Singh, Rajbir Sexual Contact With a Child Under 18 ICE Most Wanted mugshot Ahmedoff, Recep Manslaughter, Criminal Possession of a Weapon ICE Most Wanted mugshot Inswood, Calvin Anthony Assault; Weapon Offenses, Trespassing, and Disorderly Conduct ICE Most Wanted mugshot Camacho-Avalos, Andres Lewd and Lascivious Acts on a Child Under 14 (2 Counts) ICE Most Wanted mugshot Vega-Rodriguez, Jose Antonio Indeceny With a Child ICE Most Wanted mugshot Osuna-Flores, German Annoy/Molest Children, 3 Convictions – Vandalism ICE Most Wanted mugshot Correia da Rosa, Pedro Leonel Rape; Indecent Assault, and Battery on a Child Under 14 ICE Most Wanted mugshot Camacho-Perez, Zacarias Lewd Acts Upon a Child, Perjury, Failure to Register as a Sex Offender ICE Most Wanted mugshot Avila-Valdez, Javier Human Smuggling ICE Most Wanted mugshot Manilla-Cabrera, Evodio Human Smuggling ICE Most Wanted mugshot Montiel-Cercas, Luis Human Smuggling ICE Most Wanted mugshot Cercas-Manilla, Daniel Human Smuggling ICE Most Wanted mugshot Fuentes-Villareal, Cristobal Human Smuggling Do not attempt to apprehend any subject. If you have information about the whereabouts of these fugitives, immediately contact your local U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office or call the national hotline at 1-866-DHS-2-ICE as soon as possible! This number is good for reporting suspcious activity and suspected Illegals. 1-866-DHS-2-ICE My experience, ask the local number for your area and have as many people as you can call in also. If you can, safely, take picture and email or fax them to ICE. Let's clean up America!!
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Alright msharmony, to your argument of sending food, let us take Haiti for example why it is a bad idea! Haiti received hundreds of millions is subsidized food and cheap import rice for so long they gained a dependency on imported food. Being good Catholics they breed like crazy. Then when disaster struck they had no ability to feed themselves. They utterly destroyed their own ability to support themselves. Other nations face this reality as well like many African nations. A lot of them when they tossed out all the white farmers they couldn't run their own damn farms and the land went fallow. And they had the balls to ask the farmers they threw out to come back to show them how to do it right. Aid here and there isn't bad. CONSTANTLY giving them food in the name of aid is wrong and counterproductive. Without motivation people do not act for themselves! That is a fact mo matter how ANYONE chooses to try to argue the finer points of this statement. Now Dragoness your turn, the Vitriol you spew must lubricate the path you glide upon your surfboard of racism. Evidently trying to entertain a debate with you is about as productive as Draining lake Erie with an eye dropper. Everyone and everything that rubs your personal beliefs and political sensationalizes wrong are suddenly branded racist. God I wish I could introduce you to some real Perckerwoods I know so you can meet REAL racists. There is such a huge difference between enforcing the law and racism but you cannot see the difference. You want us to be so generous and so giving but at what expense to US as in the plural sense? You seem to forget personal accountability also applies to all these "poor" nations. Until you can change human nature globally your argument is trite and that is putting it nicely. You attack people more than debate an issue logically and you refute logical argument as heartless. Sorry but life itself doesn't care a rat's *** about anyone. Life itself is all about who is stronger than the other. So I take it you are so self deluded that if a tsunami was sweeping the nation you would defy it and stand in its path while the rest of us run for our lives? Well, illegal immigration is more akin to a plague of locusts. They come, they consume EVERYTHING, and then they move on to greener pastures. And then you got to toss in "the children" and BAIT people into your little killing zone and brand them as Racist and hateful. Please do not speak of the mote in my eye until you remove the log in yours please! Damn, I just got Biblical on you again! Nothing personal but your debate style is immature. Seriously, is that the only thing you can fall back on defending your position? I know for a fact I am not completely right but I sure as hell am far from being completely wrong! WAY too many other people see things in the light I see them but not in the same shades of color they are seeing them. I think it sucks that kids have to suffer but their parents need to account for having them in the first place. NOT US! That is responsible parenting! Not spewing kids out in the name of God and heavenly reward! What part of personal responsibility do you refuse to understand? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, Einstein I wish you would read and understand. You are right those who are racist do not always realize what they do or say is racist and discriminatory. You are also right sadly the children will suffer. I wish I would see something worth debating in your posts. Other than that, again you waste the time of an intelligent mind with drivel. I demand my time back for wasting it reading this. Nice! You are such an upbeat person! So I am to assume you suddenly have been gifted with a 220 IQ? Is your intelligence FAR superior to mine? I love how you also resort to Alienation attacks but nope I'm not giving in. You are not right, just opinionated. Your inability to argue with cognitive statements other than verbal attacks is nothing other than spectacular. You are getting me all hot and sweaty now! I'm not excited enough to break out the whipped cream and edible undergarments yet though. No I am not giving you your time back. I am a time thief! You been struck by a smooth criminal! Gangsta Style! Larry (Elder), send me outie like Gaudie! Bang bang! Very funny but I do still want my time back. Long winded and stating the same thing over and over hoping to make a point is not impressive. I may be short winded but I am on the side of the humane and right thing to do almost always. Call it what you want, it still makes me on the right side of the issue. And yet...you continually repeat the same thing over and over again hoping to make a point. Pot and Kettle seem to come to mind.... Yer killing me here. LMAO Oh...and as to the " right " side of the issue...sorry hon...but you are FAR to the LEFT of the issues. You being on the " right " side is strictly your opinion. An opinion which well over 60% of Americans disagree with. And yet, rather than try to see things from the other side....you affiliate yourself with the Left and continue to spout the same ole tired rhetoric. Polly wanna cracker??? |
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Edited by
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Whoops. Double post.
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