Humans tend to see what they're looking for.

Hey, I'm just saying...

Yeah.

Except "Native" Americans aren't really native to this land. They could claim to be here first. But then again, so could a few hundred other human societies across the world.

The only place where humans are "native" would be Africa. So, by your logic, we should all learn some sort of African language, and make that our National language.

Which is fine with me. I still say the whole world should pick a language and EVERYBODY leans that.

Frauders are not that common?? Seriously??
There's a meatmarket at the end of the stripmall where my shop is located. At the beginning of every single month, people re-sell meat in the parkinglot at 25 cents on the dollar. Meat they just bought w/ their foodstamps at the meatmarket. If those people really needed that food, would they be reselling it in the parkinglot???
I would say fraud is rampant.

I'm totally against illiterate adults being allowed to breathe, let alone, drive.

I'm guessing you don't drive much. Or maybe it's just here in Oklahoma. I don't know how many times I've almost gotten hit by someone who didn't know what "YEILD" means. Or "STOP", for that matter. Or "MERGE" or half a dozen other signs. And really, I just love being cussed out in Spanish afterwards.
And yeah, old people driving. I'm thinking we should test people to see if they can actually drive a car saftely, not just if they know the laws. And do it every 10 years or so. There comes a time when someone should just stop driving, for the safety of everyone else.

Absofrigginlutely!!!

This post is primarily focused on California, and is not focused on any particular racial group.

In the course of my life I have known many hundreds of people who were on government assistance (in California). I have lived in buildings in which only a handful of us had jobs. I have traveled as a gypsy, associating with transients and homeless. I have spent years living in the poorest neighborhoods of several cities.

The majority of these people - on government assistance - were able-bodied. The dominate qualities these people had were attitudes of laziness, greediness, and a feeling of entitlement. Many of them resent the wealthy and blamed the wealthy for their problems in life, despite their problems being an obvious consequence of their choices. Quite a few of these people were also thieves - though they had never been caught. Some of these people, as old as late-twenties, had middle/upper class parents they sponged off of while getting government aid. Those who were not paralyzingly lazy worked for (unclaimed) cash while receiving money from the government. Most of them wasted their money recklessly. I would love for someone to do some serious research into how government assistance is spent - because based on extensive personal observation, I'd expect the majority of it going to alcohol and drugs, and a shockingly high minority of the money going to expensive hotel rooms. Many of the people who get cash from the government find ways to obtain everything else in life (clothes, food, shelter) for free or very very cheap - maximizing the amount of the governments money they can spend on alcohol and drugs.

The system for governmental assistance is broken in California. The system rewards dishonesty; the system rewards scammers and frauds; the system rewards laziness and an attitude of entitlement. Getting a job on the books is the last thing any of these people want. 95% of those people should either be out job hunting, or reigning in their wasteful lifestyles, or both.

Inch by inch. Step by step. Their dream is becoming our nightmare.
Brown pride. Terrorist Gang.
La Raza (All for the race. Nothing outside the race.)Paying into our system to pass another amnesty.
MECha. The last leader was deported about a year and a half ago. They teach La Raza in many schools and are based in colleges across the country.
Truxillo is a terrorist advocating violence against Americans and Legal Immigrants.


Professor Predicts 'Hispanic Homeland'

By The Associated Press

Republica del NorteALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico.

Charles Truxillo suggests the “Republica del Norte,” the Republic of the North, is “an inevitability.”

He envisions it encompassing all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, plus the northern tier of Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas.

Along both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border “there is a growing fusion, a reviving of connections,” Truxillo said. “Southwest Chicanos and Norteño Mexicanos are becoming one people again.”

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.

Other UNM professors were skeptical

Felipe Gonzáles, director of UNM's Southwest Hispanic Research Institute, said there's a “certain homeland undercurrent” among New Mexico Hispanics who believe land was stolen and promises broken. But, he said, a new nation would need much more widespread support.

“Educated elites are going to have to pick up on this idea and run with it and use it as a point of confrontation if it is to succeed,” Gonzáles said.

Truxillo contends states have the right to secede under the Articles of Confederation of 1777, in which states retained “sovereignty, freedom and independence.” He contends the Articles were not superseded in that regard by the U.S. Constitution and that although the Civil War settled the question militarily, it was never resolved by courts.

History Professor Daniel Feller disagreed

“The Constitution does supersede the Articles of Confederation,” Feller said. “It takes no notice of the articles and is not presented as bearing any relation to them. The Constitution does not declare, recognize or in any way acknowledge the right to secede.”

And, he noted, the full title was “Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.”

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1869 the union was indestructible, political science Professor Joseph Stewart said.

He also said he was “somewhat skeptical in the sense of minority politics” about a possible Republic of the North. He said Americans of Mexican descent have moved all over the United States and that “I don't see that Hispanic population becoming more distinct but in fact becoming less distinct.”

Juan José Peña, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable, said there's not enough political consciousness among Mexican Americans to form a separate nation.

“Right now, there's no movement capable of undertaking it,” he said.

Truxillo, who teaches at UNM's Chicano Studies Program on a yearly contract, believes it's his job to help develop a “cadre of intellectuals” to think about how it can become a reality.

Native-born American Hispanics feel like strangers in their own land, he said

“We remain subordinated,” he said. “We have a negative image of our own culture, created by the media. Self-loathing is a terrible form of oppression. The long history of oppression and subordination has to end.”

Truxillo said Hispanics who have achieved positions of power or otherwise are “enjoying the benefits of assimilation” are most likely to oppose a new nation.

“There will be the negative reaction, the tortured response of someone who thinks, 'Give me a break. I just want to go to Wal-Mart.' But the idea will seep into their consciousness, and cause an internal crisis, a pain of conscience, an internal dialogue as they ask themselves: 'Who am I in this system?”'

How many times have you called the authorities about this parking lot black market? Have you taken note of, and passed on, all pertinant information about these people you say are working the system? Have you contacted the local television station or someone at the state level - you know, someone in the state senate maybe????

That is your money, your tax dollars at work, don't you think you have a responsibility to change what you've seen happening - at least report it and maybe follow up on it?

I don't think most of us would turn people away who come to this country looking for better opportunity. What I think most of the fear and anger stems from is our inability to control the socialism that our federal government has enforced. Because some states were poor and unable to provide for their own populations, the federal government decided that the system of taxation and redistribution had to be at the highest level.

NOw we have nutritional assistance, welfare, healthcare, social security and all the medical benefits that go with it and huge entitlements for the most unnecessary things.

So our taxes are now upwards of 30 to 50% of our income, so that all these subsidies can be paid - is it any wonder that Americans feel threatened by new comers - ready to pull from the pot, the funding we begrudged to others in the first place????

I seriously doubt that there is even a fraction of the fraud going on that people claim there is. I think people just need a reason to complain that the funds they never wanted to 'donate' in the first place are being used so inappropriately - when the most inappropriate thing is how those funds were so easily garnered from the population in the first place.

If you think there is so much fraud going on - get involved and quit 'supposing' - after all if you think someone has their hand in your pocket - shouldn't ou do something more constructive about it than gripe???

I learned to drive in Chicago, I've held a drivers liscence in four states and I've driven in many others, like L.A. and in (omg -Florida)as well as on Okinowa and Japan. In Chicago, a yellow light means you better not enter the intersection. In Indiana, a yellow light mean "STEP ON IT - AND GET THROUGH BEFORE IT CHANGES", in Missouri you better not plan to get anywhere on time. How people drive is often related to the area in which they live and learned to dirve and how stringent the law enforcement tends to be.

Are there people driving who shouldn't be - of course. Are people driving without a liscence - of course, are ANY of those poeple Americans - OF COURSE!!! Unless you have valid and verifiable statistics that can back up your claims, quit passing on what supports your bigotry.

I don't know where the poster who witnesses meat being sold. Here, in this small town, there are so many who are related to each other, if you get the wrong cop, your life could be in danger. There's no way, aside from a payphone to report anonymously.

By not reporting, he/she may be thinking about his/her life or the lives of people he cares about.

I agree that this kind of mentality has grown beyond just a fringe element, but I do not agree that the problem we face of so many illegals is that they are receiving more than a small fraudulently acquired amount of those benefits.

Sounds like a place that needs to be cleaned up, hey? Here's the deal - if it's that bad get something started to get it fixed. Anyone on these forums has access to a computer, they are not being so severely oppressed that they have no choice in this "free" country. If oppression is a reason for keeping silent then what is the reason for fighting a war?

problem is it is unjust application of the law,,,,why excuse people who break the law in such a way that they receive more privilege than those who follow it,,,,,all those immigrants who went through proper channels and were denied are suffering a slap in the face when those who bypassed those channels are excused and permitted to pay their way to stay,,,,


oh, and I have written both senators Ensign and Reid regarding this unjust practice , several times,,, and myself and my immigrant husband who is not permitted to join his family have also written the white house,,,,

There are definately a great many issues with the immigration service in this country but that is not, specifically, what is being discussed. There seem to be a lot people that beleive that non-legal aliens are defrauding state and federal agencies. I would like to know how this is happening with so much regularity when one of the biggest gripes discussed so far is that THEY DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

Oh please. Can you be serious??

THE FORMS ARE WRITTEN IN SPANISH FOR THEM.

All they have to do is get their little fake ID...fake SS card and away they go.

Most of the time, they don't even need THAT much. BUt the libs will deny THAT particular little tidbit to the death.

If you want to sit there in your cozy little box with you eyes closed, then go right ahead.

The rest of us will be paying attention.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to clarify - my post was not about illegals directly. This conversation has meandered onto the topic of people in general taking advantage of government assistance programs, so I responded to this.

I don't see this as an argument against illegal aliens, directly...

It seems like naivate is a way of life for you.
What makes you think the "authorities" don't know exactly what's going on? This happens all over the city. It would be immpossible for the "authorities" to not know. And calling the police would be less than useless. The police don't even come out for burgleries any more. If one insists on the seeing a cop, oh they'll send one out alright. The cop, being pissed for having made the trip, will inspect you and your property for any violations, and make vague threats about the consequences of wasting valuable police time i.e. the police might not be available when "you" really need them. Noone calls the police for anything less than imminent danger, more than once, unless one needs a report for insurance purposes, which one can arrange over the phone to get via fax. But I digress..
The point is, the "authorities" already know. And they don't care.
Back in the days when soda was sold in returnable bottles, these people would buy a cartload of soda with food stamps, empty the bottles in the parkinglot, and return them for the 10 cents apiece. This kind of fraud has been well known for at least the last 30 years or so. The authorities know. Everybody knows. Nobody cares.
So whom should I call?? The feds? Do you really think they'd give any more of a crap about this? Do you think this state, in this regard, is unique? I'm willing to bet that this is happening all over the country. And the "authorities" will do absolutely nothing because a large chunk of the electorate benefits from some form of government assistance. Anyone who messes w/ those benefits risks losing the ability of being reelected. And they know it.
No. Nothing will change in any substantial way until the whole system collapses under it's own weight.


I've got another example of how screwed up the system is. I used to pay a livable wage, at least in this area. Then the feds raised the minumum. Now I pay poverty levels. One of my employess just had a baby w/ his girlfriend and now qualifies for food stamps. Yesterday he was bragging about having filled 2 fridges w/ food. 2 fridges. I don't even have 1 fridge filled with food. Does anyone think something isn't wrong here? I don't begrudge him the food, but he wouldn't have needed any assistance if the minimum wage hadn't been raised so much causing food costs to skyrocket.

Actually, if you factor in all the taxes and fees one pays some form of government, the rate is closer to 60%. But hey, who's counting?
And if you seriously believe the fraud going on is only a fraction, you should get out more.

And hey, as soon as I see a solution to all the fraud going on, I will take action. Unfortunatly, I don't see one. Too many people are on some form government assistance, and too many people are blissfully blind to all the fraud.

got news for ya, it ain't just in California, bub.

I've got another example of how screwed up the system is. I used to pay a livable wage, at least in this area. Then the feds raised the minumum. Now I pay poverty levels. One of my employess just had a baby w/ his girlfriend and now qualifies for food stamps. Yesterday he was bragging about having filled 2 fridges w/ food. 2 fridges. I don't even have 1 fridge filled with food. Does anyone think something isn't wrong here? I don't begrudge him the food, but he wouldn't have needed any assistance if the minimum wage hadn't been raised so much causing food costs to skyrocket.
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I dont understand this financially or mathematically,,

how does one live off of one wage just fine but go into poverty if that wage is RAISED(probably less than one dollar per hour more)? the average food stamps allotment is POSSIBLY 400 per month,,,,100 per week,, try feeding a family of four with that and its far from an excessive amount of food. PEople that shop once a month,, will naturally fuller refrigerators after they shop, than people who shop four times a week. Things are alot more complex than that post implied,,,,