I agree,, immigration laws need to be enforced equally or not at all. Many immigrants respect the law and go through the process, they wait YEARS to reside here (and some get turned away). To allow so many to just waltz in in front of those who obey the laws is unjust.

If I didn't know any better you just doubled back on what you said before...

Weren't you concerned that addressing people about their immigration status would lead to racial profiling?

Now you say we need to do something????


NOW I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED!

let me make an analogy to clarify. Many people feel SOMETHING should be done about the healthcare system,, yet they dont feel the hr bill was the RIGHT thing.

I feel SOMETHING should be done about illegal immigration, I dont feel THIS bill(if it encourages profiling ) is the right thing.

This is one thing I can agree with you on, Msharmony.

let me make an analogy to clarify. Many people feel SOMETHING should be done about the healthcare system,, yet they dont feel the hr bill was the RIGHT thing.

I feel SOMETHING should be done about illegal immigration, I dont feel THIS bill(if it encourages profiling ) is the right thing.

The HR bill wound up benefiting Insurance again because mandatory insurance is EXPENSIVE insurance. How can there be competition when YOU MUST HAVE THAT PRODUCT SO SAYETH THE LAW.

Obama's HR bill was poorly planned and rammed down our throats without any forethought to the consequences of adding over a trillion more dollars in debt to our nation. If it repaired the system without adding to the deficit then it would have been respectable.

This does not compare to Arizona getting off of their azzes and addressing a problem and taking the leash off of the police. You cannot have immigration enforcement without profiling of some kind. this isn't like enforcing DUI laws. This is not like dealing with generic crime. We need to chase people from particular countries out of here and that means looking for a racial and social profiles to catch illegal immigrants. Again AZ is on the Mexican Border. Who are they supposed to chase after? Brazilians?

It is unfortunate but there will be a need for profiling to deal with this problem. Like I can't act perfectly Mexican they sure can't act perfectly like us so yes some may slide under the wire but not enough of them to make a difference.

All police activity is subject to statistical analysis and people use this to say they profile people. Like AA didn't do that to us? We need universal enforcement but to do so without a certain amount of profiling is not real world.

perhaps not your real world...but to assume guilt based upon ethnicity is ridiculous and not necessary. There needs to be SOME other evidence of a violation besides what one looks like ethnically. AA, for the record, didnt profile, it actually responded to REAL TIME PRACTICES and mandated that they be fair. This bill doesnt mandate any form of fairness, it allows ONE group and one group only to suffer the stigma of guilty until proven innocent.

AA worked, by the way, in the opposite direction. The policies of AA are enforced when,,guess what, racism in that institution or in THAT business has been PROVEN and then THAT institution or THAT business must show they are going to institute fair practices...

Dream on! You are definitely living in a Cupcake fantasy! AA was an utter failure. A lot of government services filled with substandard employees messed up a lot of operations sectors. When AA was forced onto Air Traffic Controllers the FAA stepped in and said and I quote "If thy cannot meet the standards we have outlined we are not hiring anyone based on a Quota systems because Human Lives are at stake!" SO AA did get snagged. That is just TWO examples of where AA failed us. Now let us look to the TSA which did hire exclusively under AA. Remember the sting operation recently??? TSA Agents were part of a theft ring operating with Baggage handlers. What race was EVERYONE arrested by the FBI for the crime ring???????

They were all BLACK! ALL OF THEM! TO THE LAST ONE!

So try, I mean TRY again to tell me AA is so good! I will fight you tooth and nail over this! AA was a grand failure. Period. It was called unconstitutional by the Grand Jury. It was Segregation all over again. It was a racially Biased policy, and here you are a black women telling me it was so good when I can show you dozens of Black men and women who resented that policy because it made them feel like they couldn't stack up in this world. Do you ever think your beliefs set equality back? At least I believe all men stand on their own personal merit before their race or creed comes into the picture. My friendships spans all color lines, all religious lines, and all national lines. AS long as I am offered respect I am given it but then you come along and say AA is good. AA was not a respectful policy. It didn't do anything but set the ideals of equality back. This policy was imposed on us with no limitations and in itself had done its share of damage.

I really am tired of this whole Minority complex thinking! it is JUST as bad as the Military Industrial Complex.

lol, I am sorry,, but it seems to me some people refuse to actually READ what AA is and isnt and continue to be lead by their emotions.


Prey tell how mandates to ensure people are INCLUDED in opportunities is segregationist,,,,?


That some black men and women felt they couldnt stand up,,,does not change the progress AA policies allowed minorities (who were previously excluded from even having an OPPORTUNITY) to make.

Tell me how the rich and elite and the white families of segregationist times raised emotionally damaged children who felt they werent stacking up on their own 'merit'. Those arguments are rarely considered by those who oppose AA. Nor is the AA which was already in place but not spoken of, which favored whites, males and the rich questioned or met with such passionate distaste and insult.

Quotas are illegal,, AA is based upon QUALIFIED applicants. I think one is naive to believe, in a country where minorities were second class citizens and property, that they would have just NATURALLY been given equal access to opportunities in education and employment without policies being implemented to make sure it was so.

Again you don't live in CA because we go by different rules. If AA was associated to enforcing existing laws, and demanding a level paying field based on qualifications not color or sex quotas then I would have been for it! Instead it employed a Quota system no matter how you choose to look at it. AA made exceptions to the rules to accommodate the policy.


Do you seriously think I didn't get my share of studying what it was about? Do you still stand on the assumption I am uneducated? Do you not think I don't get to 'know my enemy?' I am not reluctant to educate myself on it. I am appalled by it. I am appalled by its implementation. I am appalled people still think this backwards facing issues like this.

Yes Nepotism still happens everywhere. Catching it is not impossible but it is hard. It happens in ALL circles! Even religious affiliations are used against people.

You cite people being disenfranchised, unless you lived it you wouldn't understand it. I could go on explaining but evidently you are the one not paying attention. Now just because one school has a "good Old boy" network going on doesn't mean all of them do. People want to wave fancy brand name educations in people's faces and more often than not people going to Yale and Harvard are no better than anyone else. They just got a better brand name education. To me they are schools for families with too much money to spend. I can't buy that argument.

The worst part is when you cater to minority factions you only create more problems than solutions. This whole, 'no man left behind' attitude is just BS without personal accountability. If you don't got the contacts now to get into a prestigious university you do what others in an entry level position in any field do. You culture relationships in the facility of education you want into and maintain excellent GPAs and you will get in.

FACT IN THIS LIFE IN THIS SOCIETY: It isn't what you know in as much as it is WHO you know and how you perform! If they feel you can get the job done you get the job!

Someone coming to a prestigious school usually has to possess a certain social etiquette a lot of people may not have or understand. Imagine a (yes I dare say this but this is purely for necessary definitive reasons ) ghetto coon straight out of the hood showing up at their school which is formal three piece suit and tie "White Bread" (see I went there too, I am being equal!). His application would hit the trash so fast you wouldn't know what happened to it. Now say a black kid from the same neighborhood show up with a promising future, excellent GPA in community college, and a good attitude he gets called sell out by his own for wanting to succeed but he goes on keeping his shoulder to the wheel and he makes connections within the university you argue about. Eventually he asks a very difficult question that challenges a professor in that school and the professor realizes that this black student in another lower college just asked him a very intelligent question and also has an interest in his subject matter. When he sends his application in he notifies his contacts within who likewise tell him exactly who to send the application package to. He will get in, period. Why? He took the time to get to know people in the college (university's) admissions office and other places as well. Professors with tenure are also a great way in. If you show enough competency in their subject matter they will also make it easier to get in. This is how you get those tasty corporate jobs everyone covets so much, in the REAL world.

That is how the real world works. Also Affirmative Action was a defined policy. So sorry but all the policy making in the world will not change the heart of mankind.

The bill shows we still have ignorant racists in our midst and that they are slick in sliding racism into the laws when people are not paying attention.

Blah blah blah blah....

Same old thing from the peanut gallery.

You might actually make a POINT if you were to just say, flat out, that you want open borders rather than repeat ( and repeat and repeat and repeat ) your " This is racist " drivel.

Reform? We actually have pretty good immigration laws on the books;

Virtually none of which are being enforced.

Making new laws is not the answer. Enforcing the existing laws is, at least, part of the answer.