Topic: Bush wasn't so bad after all.
Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:39 PM




isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


Damn I wish I would have known that. They may have toned it down but I saw blatant racism in their earlier rallies.

I could have really used that money.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:42 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 04/01/10 07:44 PM



mehhh this is all the biggest problem in our politics

no on can disagree with out demonizing the opposition. its poisoning the well to the point where there can be no discussion of anything without all this mud slinging at either

Bush wasn't a Hitler and Obama isn't a communist. They are just ordinary guys doing the best job they can

and the rest is ideological bombastic crap rhetoric propaganda and manipulation of the truth and semi false facts designed to sucker in the gullible and weak minded

as we well see in these very threads


I agree with everthing except bush started a war and cost us over 4000 good mens lives on a lie ..


poor Bush. He should have never believed those liars who led him astray




"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

-- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998



"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."

-- Madeline Albright, 1998


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

-- Senator Robert Byrd, October 2002



"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

-- Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002



"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, 2002




"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

-- Senator Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002



"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

-- Senator John F. Kerry, Oct 2002



"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998


damn those lying liars. damn them all


I am tired of debunking BS like this...show me where any of them said that torture was ok or deceiving the American people into these wars was ok...and anything said after 9-11 is tainted...the congress were lied to as well...even the media played along like shocked sheep.

Phucking neo-cons and the robots that guard them...greatest threat to our democracy ever...the T-baggers can't hold a candle to them but are trying...good luck BTW, you'll need to kiss back up to the GOP by the November elections, get 30 some senate seats and 113 house seats to CHANGE ONE THING IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL...lol...but anyway, back to the criminals still at large:



What concerns me is if Dick will order another terrorist attack before the election...we'll see, maybe this time Dick will get caught...

Bonus pic:



JustAGuy2112's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:49 PM




isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:57 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 04/01/10 08:00 PM





isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.


Pay me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkmK_5LHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:07 PM


I dont think Bush was a good guy, I just thought he was a bit of a spoiled rich boy with little experience in the 'average' world, poor work ethic, unprofessional mannerism and a serious disconnect from and even the non wealthy,,,,,

very arrogant without much to back it up (besides his power)

as a person,, he seemed pretty harmless and probably very capable of all the same flaws that any of us have


I guarantee you would say differently about him if he were black.



guarantee based on what,,,? how well you know me or how well you know black people, or how well you know women,,,,,?????

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:08 PM





Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


ok, just a rumor,,lol

well , lets use ALCOHOL as the drug of bush choice instead and I will rephrase


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush was a drunk,,,,



And Obama hit the glass dick.


and where is the evidence of that???

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:09 PM

Just watch.

There will be a whole lot of people stepping up and saying " Well...Bush LIED to them ".

The problem I see with that argument is...do they not have access to the same information?? What does it say about them if they were so easily duped by an " idiot " as so many people want to portray Bush??



actually,, 'intelligence' came in on both sides but very little PROOF, and Bush chose the side that already supported what he believed,,,,like most people do(this thread is evidence of that)

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:09 PM



I dont think Bush was a good guy, I just thought he was a bit of a spoiled rich boy with little experience in the 'average' world, poor work ethic, unprofessional mannerism and a serious disconnect from and even the non wealthy,,,,,

very arrogant without much to back it up (besides his power)

as a person,, he seemed pretty harmless and probably very capable of all the same flaws that any of us have


I guarantee you would say differently about him if he were black.



guarantee based on what,,,? how well you know me or how well you know black people, or how well you know women,,,,,?????


LOL or none of the above

How about how well he knows white people who talk about black people, women, etc.... maybe.....

LOL

JustAGuy2112's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:10 PM






isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.


Pay me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkmK_5LHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


To be accurate, the reward was posted in reference to anyone having video evidence of the n word being said to the members of the black caucus.

Go look it up.

breitbart.com

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:14 PM






Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


ok, just a rumor,,lol

well , lets use ALCOHOL as the drug of bush choice instead and I will rephrase


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush was a drunk,,,,



And Obama hit the glass dick.


That isn't true unless you are ignorant of the fact that the glass dick is a crack pipe.


Duh, he wrote all about it.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:15 PM




Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


You lie about Obama.

Where did you get that information from a racist hate site? Or by another name a right winger site?


His book.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:19 PM







isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.


Pay me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkmK_5LHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


To be accurate, the reward was posted in reference to anyone having video evidence of the n word being said to the members of the black caucus.

Go look it up.

breitbart.com


Why lie in the first place...but pay me anyway, it was witnessed...but like the absence of a video shades the truth...this thread smells like Stormfront crap to me...lame denials.

Tea Partiers Call Lewis 'N****r', Frank 'F****t', At Capitol Hill Protest

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:24 PM





Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


You lie about Obama.

Where did you get that information from a racist hate site? Or by another name a right winger site?


His book.


I have both books here,, can you give me the page,,,? What I read was only a reference to 'blow' and not any reference to crack cocaine.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:37 PM







isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.


Pay me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkmK_5LHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


To be accurate, the reward was posted in reference to anyone having video evidence of the n word being said to the members of the black caucus.

Go look it up.

breitbart.com


Racism towards black folks has evolved way past just the n word. Racist stuff is sometimes so subtle people don't even realize that is what they are looking at.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:39 PM






Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


You lie about Obama.

Where did you get that information from a racist hate site? Or by another name a right winger site?


His book.


I have both books here,, can you give me the page,,,? What I read was only a reference to 'blow' and not any reference to crack cocaine.


Right.......waiting..........waiting............waiting...........WAITING............WAITING............WAITING..........

JustAGuy2112's photo
Thu 04/01/10 08:40 PM
Edited by JustAGuy2112 on Thu 04/01/10 08:41 PM








isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it


He upped it to 20K the other night on KFI.


Pay me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkmK_5LHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI&feature=related


To be accurate, the reward was posted in reference to anyone having video evidence of the n word being said to the members of the black caucus.

Go look it up.

breitbart.com


Why lie in the first place...but pay me anyway, it was witnessed...but like the absence of a video shades the truth...this thread smells like Stormfront crap to me...lame denials.

Tea Partiers Call Lewis 'N****r', Frank 'F****t', At Capitol Hill Protest

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php


I'm not saying a lack of video evidence confirms nor denounces the accusation.

Keep in mind that just because it was " witnessed ", without corroborating evidence, it wouldn't stand in a court of law.

Anyone can " accuse " someone of whatever they want.

For it to stick, there needs to be evidence.

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Thu 04/01/10 09:52 PM
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

"The Congress has spoken clearly to the international community and the United Nations Security Council," Bush said in a statement. "Saddam Hussein and his outlaw regime pose a grave threat to the region, the world and the United States. Inaction is not an option, disarmament is a must."

The Senate vote sharply divided Democrats, with 29 voting for the measure and 21 against. All Republicans except Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island voted for passage.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, attempted Thursday to mount a filibuster against the resolution but was cut off on a 75 to 25 vote.

FACT BOX
• "The president is authorized to use the armed forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq, and (2) enforce all relevant United Nation Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."

• The resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of any military action against Iraq and submit, at least every 60 days, a report to Congress on the military campaign.


• The resolution does not tie any U.S. action to a U.N. resolution.


United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 (UNSCR 1441), adopted on Nov. 8, 2002 by a vote of 15-0, stated in part:
"Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorizes Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area...

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwait and third country nationals wrongly detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq...

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency], and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991)..."

http://usiraq.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000875

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/dec2007/budg-d19.shtml


Congress votes to fund war, bows to Bush on domestic policy
By Bill Van Auken
19 December 2007
The Democratic-led US Senate voted by a wide margin Tuesday night to approve $70 billion to continue funding the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, without seeking to impose any conditions or pass any proposals for withdrawing a single soldier from either country. The vote came as the body also approved a $516 billion domestic budget bill passed a day earlier by the House.

With just days to go until Congress begins its holiday recess, the Democratic leadership has once again orchestrated a legislative capitulation to the White House that will ensure that the war in Iraq—which they claim to oppose—continues, while making no major substantive changes in the domestic agenda set by the Bush administration.

The House on Monday passed the domestic spending bill by a comfortable margin of 253 to 154, despite charges by the Republican leadership that the measure contained an excessive amount of “earmarks,” specific funding mandates for pet projects sought by legislators for their home districts.




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Thu 04/01/10 09:55 PM

Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have ever had.

We are not seeing anything close to Baby Shrub right now.


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Actually Jimmy Carter still beat him out ion a performance after the fact evaluation. Jimmy trashed our economy back in the 70's and I remember that because I grew up in the shadow of his nightmare. He paved the way for how the middle east treats us now. He had no backbone and was a terrible leader.

Everyone used to pick on Ronald Regan. He picked up the mess Carter left us with. His presidency was not exactly all that bad but he walloped Social Spending. Aw, poor DNC didn't get to spend like Fking crazy then!

Already Obama has made some serious political mistakes and is making more of them and his attitude is that of an elitist. Given time he will more than likely go down as the worst president ever over FDR and Johnson and Hoover COMBINED! All noted Democrats. these men actually retarded civil rights back in the days of the movement. FDR was a mild racist while Hover was worst but Johnson was the pinnacle of racist presidents. Obama is a white hating Oreo Cookie that comes off black on the outside but acts white on the inside. Give him time. The fruity of his excess will soon ripen.

Chuffed Core comes to mind thinking about Obama!

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 09:59 PM
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.


LOL this is not funny really.

How could Saddam give up what he DIDN'T have?

We should be ashamed of ourselves for this fiasco.

America really showed her *** on this one.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 10:02 PM


Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have ever had.

We are not seeing anything close to Baby Shrub right now.


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Actually Jimmy Carter still beat him out ion a performance after the fact evaluation. Jimmy trashed our economy back in the 70's and I remember that because I grew up in the shadow of his nightmare. He paved the way for how the middle east treats us now. He had no backbone and was a terrible leader.

Everyone used to pick on Ronald Regan. He picked up the mess Carter left us with. His presidency was not exactly all that bad but he walloped Social Spending. Aw, poor DNC didn't get to spend like Fking crazy then!

Already Obama has made some serious political mistakes and is making more of them and his attitude is that of an elitist. Given time he will more than likely go down as the worst president ever over FDR and Johnson and Hoover COMBINED! All noted Democrats. these men actually retarded civil rights back in the days of the movement. FDR was a mild racist while Hover was worst but Johnson was the pinnacle of racist presidents. Obama is a white hating Oreo Cookie that comes off black on the outside but acts white on the inside. Give him time. The fruity of his excess will soon ripen.

Chuffed Core comes to mind thinking about Obama!


You have been watching too much Faux news and reading too many of the rightwing prejudice hate sites it seems.

and wrong wrong wrong to almost all of it.