Topic: Bush wasn't so bad after all.
msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 12:29 PM

isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 12:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 04/01/10 12:32 PM
I dont think Bush was a good guy, I just thought he was a bit of a spoiled rich boy with little experience in the 'average' world, poor work ethic, unprofessional mannerism and a serious disconnect from and even the non wealthy,,,,,

very arrogant without much to back it up (besides his power)

as a person,, he seemed pretty harmless and probably very capable of all the same flaws that any of us have

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 12:32 PM


Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 12:33 PM

I dont think Bush was a good guy, I just thought he was a bit of a spoiled rich boy with little experience in the 'average' world, poor work ethic, unprofessional mannerism and a serious disconnect from and even the non wealthy,,,,,

very arrogant without much to back it up (besides his power)

as a person,, he seemed pretty harmless and probably very capable of all the same flaws that any of us have


I guarantee you would say differently about him if he were black.

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/01/10 12:37 PM



Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


ok, just a rumor,,lol

well , lets use ALCOHOL as the drug of bush choice instead and I will rephrase


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush was a drunk,,,,

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 04/01/10 01:59 PM

I find it interesting that Bush was probably one of the most degraded,slandered,and protested presidents of all time yet did Bush threaten to label the left wing nuts "terrorist like orginantions".Did he call on a ban on CNN because of the onslaught of negative criticism?Did he tell people they should "snitch" out those who oppose him to the white house website as Obama has instructed?Did he call names and slander left leaning groups of people because he did not like what they said?I can go on and on.

I can honestly say I never heard Bush slander or threaten the left despite getting twice the dose Obama is getting.For all those who hated Bush you have to admit you had a free for all with him and now we can see with Obama,Bush was a very humble man when it came to criticism.It's too bad Obama can't just pull up his panties and take some negative feedback with out threatning intimidation.



Thomas. U usually are fairly reasonable about things.

Your anylsis of Bush is so off base it is not even funny.

What did Bush do for us?

Get us in a war with a lie. Outright lie and to the american people and send thousands of young men and women to thier deaths.

His administration refused to listen when the wal street whisle blower told them with facts that wal street was taking the people for a ride just exactly as what happened as he said it would if the regulators did not act.


Slanderous. Congressmen getting death threats, Obama being called a baby killer, Hitler the anti-chr-st.

We could go on and on.

The Patriot act What did Bush tell congress if they did not hurry up and pass it which by the way is more about takling our freedoms away than catching terrorests.

I asked on these forms how many people knew how many congressmen read the Patriot act before they signed it into law or sent it to Bush.

Answer ...None not 1 read it because the white house was putting out along with The Famous Fox News any congressman who did not vote for it was un-american.

How many times was Excutive privelge used by bush and cheney when they did not want to answer a question?

Not hard questions either.

We should all learn one thing about congress and we can learn alot.

When the rich is telling u something is good or bad for u they are really saying what is good and bad for them. We are just the idiots that believe them.

Obama is bucking the system and they are doing anything they can to go aftyer him. That should say it all.

McCain said he was inexperienced and did not know how washington works.

Do you want the same ole washington that favors the rich saying give them a break and they will produse jobs.

Just walk into wal mart and see how many american made products these rich businessmen made jobs for.

Who is jumping up and down that we even do business with communist countries?

Are laws on the books against such trade?

Learn what the books say and listen to what washington says and see if they are the same. Then we will see who the true cronnies are... Miles

heavenlyboy34's photo
Thu 04/01/10 02:20 PM

it boils down to this: liberal and conservative are just political philosophies of the role of government

Modern Democrats and Republicans actually have no resemblance to liberals or conservatives. They have each placed the pre-eminence of their party over the success or failure of this nation

I firmly believe that either party would prefer to see this country totally collapse if they could just blame it on the other party

I for one would like to see em all, both parties, run out of town with torches and pitchforks





drinker here here!

cashu's photo
Thu 04/01/10 04:00 PM

mehhh this is all the biggest problem in our politics

no on can disagree with out demonizing the opposition. its poisoning the well to the point where there can be no discussion of anything without all this mud slinging at either

Bush wasn't a Hitler and Obama isn't a communist. They are just ordinary guys doing the best job they can

and the rest is ideological bombastic crap rhetoric propaganda and manipulation of the truth and semi false facts designed to sucker in the gullible and weak minded

as we well see in these very threads


I agree with everthing except bush started a war and cost us over 4000 good mens lives on a lie ..

cashu's photo
Thu 04/01/10 04:04 PM


I dont think Bush was a good guy, I just thought he was a bit of a spoiled rich boy with little experience in the 'average' world, poor work ethic, unprofessional mannerism and a serious disconnect from and even the non wealthy,,,,,

very arrogant without much to back it up (besides his power)

as a person,, he seemed pretty harmless and probably very capable of all the same flaws that any of us have


I guarantee you would say differently about him if he were black.

BOY YOU GOT THIS NAILED DOWN RIGHT .

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 04:36 PM




Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


ok, just a rumor,,lol

well , lets use ALCOHOL as the drug of bush choice instead and I will rephrase


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush was a drunk,,,,



And Obama hit the glass dick.

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 04/01/10 06:39 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Thu 04/01/10 06:40 PM


mehhh this is all the biggest problem in our politics

no on can disagree with out demonizing the opposition. its poisoning the well to the point where there can be no discussion of anything without all this mud slinging at either

Bush wasn't a Hitler and Obama isn't a communist. They are just ordinary guys doing the best job they can

and the rest is ideological bombastic crap rhetoric propaganda and manipulation of the truth and semi false facts designed to sucker in the gullible and weak minded

as we well see in these very threads


I agree with everthing except bush started a war and cost us over 4000 good mens lives on a lie ..


poor Bush. He should have never believed those liars who led him astray




"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

-- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998



"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."

-- Madeline Albright, 1998


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

-- Senator Robert Byrd, October 2002



"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

-- Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002



"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, 2002




"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

-- Senator Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002



"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

-- Senator John F. Kerry, Oct 2002



"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998


damn those lying liars. damn them all

Lpdon's photo
Thu 04/01/10 06:41 PM



mehhh this is all the biggest problem in our politics

no on can disagree with out demonizing the opposition. its poisoning the well to the point where there can be no discussion of anything without all this mud slinging at either

Bush wasn't a Hitler and Obama isn't a communist. They are just ordinary guys doing the best job they can

and the rest is ideological bombastic crap rhetoric propaganda and manipulation of the truth and semi false facts designed to sucker in the gullible and weak minded

as we well see in these very threads


I agree with everthing except bush started a war and cost us over 4000 good mens lives on a lie ..


poor Bush. He should have never believed those liars who led him astray




"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

-- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998



"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."

-- Madeline Albright, 1998


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

-- Senator Robert Byrd, October 2002



"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

-- Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002



"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, 2002




"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

-- Senator Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002



"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

-- Senator John F. Kerry, Oct 2002



"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998


damn those lying liars. damn them all


:thumbsup: Oh how easliy people forget.........

JustAGuy2112's photo
Thu 04/01/10 06:51 PM
Just watch.

There will be a whole lot of people stepping up and saying " Well...Bush LIED to them ".

The problem I see with that argument is...do they not have access to the same information?? What does it say about them if they were so easily duped by an " idiot " as so many people want to portray Bush??

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:11 PM
Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have ever had.

We are not seeing anything close to Baby Shrub right now.


Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:16 PM

Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have ever had.

We are not seeing anything close to Baby Shrub right now.




nahhh. if you go by historians and not partisan type polls, they are ranking him about 35th or so. Warren G Harding and Andrew Johnson consistently come in as the worst two Presidents


Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:26 PM


isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:28 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Thu 04/01/10 07:28 PM





Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


ok, just a rumor,,lol

well , lets use ALCOHOL as the drug of bush choice instead and I will rephrase


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush was a drunk,,,,



And Obama hit the glass dick.


That isn't true unless you are ignorant of the fact that the glass dick is a crack pipe.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:31 PM



mehhh this is all the biggest problem in our politics

no on can disagree with out demonizing the opposition. its poisoning the well to the point where there can be no discussion of anything without all this mud slinging at either

Bush wasn't a Hitler and Obama isn't a communist. They are just ordinary guys doing the best job they can

and the rest is ideological bombastic crap rhetoric propaganda and manipulation of the truth and semi false facts designed to sucker in the gullible and weak minded

as we well see in these very threads


I agree with everthing except bush started a war and cost us over 4000 good mens lives on a lie ..


poor Bush. He should have never believed those liars who led him astray




"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

-- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998



"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."

-- Madeline Albright, 1998


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

-- Senator Robert Byrd, October 2002



"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

-- Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002



"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, 2002




"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

-- Senator Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002



"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

-- Senator John F. Kerry, Oct 2002



"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998


damn those lying liars. damn them all


Except that their were guidelines in the order of military action from congress that were not met for the action to be taken.

Imminent threat from Saddam and proof of weapons of mass destruction. Both of which were not met and Bush went ahead.

It has already been shown that the war was not "legal" but noone here is going to charge them with war crimes. Elsewhere though maybe.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:33 PM



Obama must be a pot smoker. he came into the presidency with High Hopes for change. At least he was high on something.


well, if previous drug use is an indicator of leadership ability,,,Clinton inhaled and Bush did coke,,,,


It is only rumored about President Bush.

And Obama did crack cocaine.


You lie about Obama.

Where did you get that information from a racist hate site? Or by another name a right winger site?

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 04/01/10 07:34 PM



isn't it weird that the tea party are racists but many of their political leaders are black?

I dont get that



well, I dont agree they are racists,, but I can assure you as a black person myself,, having black 'friends' doesnt restrict one from being racist as there are plenty of black folks who also feel negatively towards blacks,,,


Yes, there are black folks who do not like black folks. Hispanics too.

Tea baggers house many racists in their mist. That has been shown at their rallies. If the tea bagggers allow racists in their mist, they are allowing racism and that ain't cool.

Tea baggers cannot be taken seriously because of the choices of members they make.


I think that is just a caricaturization

Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000 reward for anyone who can show video or photographic evidence of racism at a tea party rally and no one has taken him up on it