That name gives me gas.

some simple numbers for INTELLIGENT DEBATE,,, any interest?


' Bush’s lowest annual deficit was just under $158 billion in fiscal 2002. It reached nearly $459 billion in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2008, and, as we mentioned, was on track to reach $1.2 trillion by the time Obama took office.' www.factcheck.org

--ok 158 bill to 1.2 trill A NEARLY TEN FOLD DEFICIT INCREASE IN SEVEN YEARS WITH NO RECESSION, OR THREAT OF BANKING AND AUTOMITIVE INDUSTRY COlLAPSE , RIGHT?

'The simple fact is that Obama inherited a federal deficit of $1.2 trillion on the day he was sworn in last year. Barely two weeks earlier, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office issued its regular "Budget and Economic Outlook" document, stating:

CBO, Jan. 2009: The federal fiscal situation in 2009 will be dramatically worse than it was in 2008. Under the assumption that current laws and policies remain in place (that is, not accounting for any new legislation), CBO estimates that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion, more than two and a half times the size of last year’s' www.factcheck.org


'The long term budget picture, meanwhile, is brighter than previously thought. The total deficit for 2010-2019 is now projected to be $6.7 trillion; in August, the CBO estimated it would be $7.1 trillion. ' www.marketwatch.com


--- OK. 1.2 trill, to 7.1 trill, SLIGHTLY MORE THAN A FIVE FOLD INCREASE IN DEFICIT OVER NINE YEARS, after helping banking and automotive industry recover


I still think my vote was a good one, better than the atlernative, and I am still supporting this presidents decisions

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......you are soooooooooooooo wrong about what I meant...........but Mr. V. knows............LOL on you.....

laughing is good too (shrugs)

Dear Lady 'lindyy',

I will forgive for you what could easily be taken as a most uncivilized comment you wrote at my expense:

«... for someone who does not reside in the USA... that is all that needs to be said...».

With the busy life you must lead, you most probably forgot that you were posting in a PUBLIC forum of the WORLD WIDE WEB!!! That's WORLD, Lady 'lindyy', NOT the USA-WIDE-WEB!!!
Now, 'that is all that needs to be said...' ... on that one!!!

As for your suggestion that I might be demeaning in my statements, ironically, that is exactly what characterizes your own overall 'demeanor' on this thread, to only name one of several.

You state that you 'hope for' and request from others, specific standards of honesty, accuracy and rigor (rather pretentious and arrogant IMO), yet you, through your own opinions, comments, and counter arguments with others, consistently fail to observe those very standards.
In this specific instance, where you suggest my statement to be demeaning, is a perfect example. A typical case of projection.

With respect to your last question, I want to reassure you. I am not insinuating anything.

If one authentically 'hopes for' an 'intelligent, honest opinion and debate', 'CIVIL response', 'with correct and current information and facts being cited', as you stated yourself, one MUST first adhere to such standards.

Thus, when you invite us to participate in this specific thread, with an opening statement that is both false and calumnious, you are failing, in this instance, to follow your own standards Lady 'lindyy'. No insinuation.

Why Mr. V..........sounds like you are not having a good day....... perhaps this will help make you feel better.......

Stating fact is NOT bashing..........


Whatever, but it is my understanding that you are not exactly liking any of the opinions that are against your own...which well defeats the purpose of a debate because there will never be a conclusion that everyone can agree on. Which reminds me of why I stay the hell away from this part of the forum.


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I do not have to like someone else's opinion, nor do they have to like mine..........but we are each entitled to our own opinion and state them. A debate does not prove who is wrong or who is right......which I think you want me to state you are right and I am wrong, which is a totally absurd thing to expect.................

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no it wasn't . and the bankers that he saved aren't going to vote for him either .

there was a deficit well before OBama took office actually. Quite naturally , based on the money spent immediately on bailouts, it wasnt as high, however the deficit also increased under the previous administration , so the issue is not exclusive to OBama.

You think wrong...again...

False statement again.

Is it an obsessive compulsive reflex???

Does your religion forbid you to make the simplest of searches through 'google'???

Or are some people just enjoying being annoying???

The premise of this whole thread is founded on a false premise:

«... The deficit Obama inherited on taking office last month was $1.3 trillion.» Hans Nichols, Bloomberg.
(see full article at http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aei7Fn0ISrwo&refer=news )

As Lady 'lindyy' orders you all : Be honest and GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!

P.S.: I also trust that the Lady will follow her own counsel form this point onward.

My dear Mr. V........Lady Lindyy ordered nothing........to anyone.....and I did not counsel anyone on anything........I merely, simply, quite explicitly, expressed a desire for..............

Mr. V. ..............you seem quite on edge tonight..........I do hope you are feeling quite well........your eloquent verbage seems to be amiss tonight...........

??????'My dear Mr. V........Lady Lindyy ordered nothing........to anyone.....and I did not counsel anyone on anything........I merely, simply, quite explicitly, expressed a desire for..............'


......I speak from ....I know a B.S'er when I see one....and that obama certainly is



In the words of MJ ,,sometimes we should start with the man (or woman) in the mirror

Again...this is just my opinion:

You don't need a mirror to see the crooked spine that Obama has...from day 1!

JMO-If I still have One!

We all have opinions, I respect yours and disagree with it. THe one thing I agree with Lindy on is there is no right or wrong in this, ya like his leadership or ya dont,,,

We posted the facts...the RW are sooo ready to blame President Obama for their mistakes...the US suffered the worst I've seen in my lifetime....but it's what RW nutbags do....I recall Jummy Carter who once said:

"Too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does but by what one owns"(a)

After 9-11 the Dippic said, go out and spend, don't worry..he since lied us into these wars...and the cost so far? $968 BILLION.(b) Add the discretionary spending as well:

"The increase in discretionary spending—that is, all
nonentitlement programs—in Bush’s first term was 48.5
percent in nominal terms. That’s more than twice as large
as the increase in discretionary spending during Clinton’s
entire two terms (21.6 percent), and just higher than
Lyndon Johnson’s entire discretionary spending spree
(48.3 percent).(c)

To date (adding 2005 to 2009) it ends up as a 104% increase in discretionary spending.(d)

"Some also argue that much of the increase in nondefense spending stemmed from increases in homeland security spending. Whether this is true, the overall rapid rise of discretionary spending indicates that, here too, the administration and Congress made no trade-offs in the budget. If the administration and Congress wanted more security spending and wanted to be fiscally responsible, they should have found savings elsewhere in the budget"(d)

Yeah President Obama inherited a nightmare...I am glad he has plans, the other party...you know the one that OWNS this damage? Well they have no plans...well...except this of course:(e)

(a)http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/08/13/past-and-present-malaise-and-the-energy-crisis.html
(b)http://www.costofwar.com/
(c)http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0510-26.pdf
(d)http://mercatus.org/publication/spending-under-president-george-w-bush
(e)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

We posted the facts...the RW are sooo ready to blame President Obama for their mistakes...the US suffered the worst I've seen in my lifetime....but it's what RW nutbags do....I recall Jummy Carter who once said:

"Too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does but by what one owns"(a)

RESPONSE:

You are actually quoting Carter? OMG......
Perhaps Carter was referring to himself......

AND:

Ummmmmm ARE YOU CALLING ME A 'nutbag' because I am a Right Wing Conservative? NOT NICE TO CALL INDIVIDUALS NAMES ......Now I KNOW you do not like to be called 'names'.........

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Yeah President Obama inherited a nightmare...I am glad he has plans, the other party...you know the one that OWNS this damage?.............

RESPONSE:

obama has been in office for 13 1/2 months.........it is time to realize that this is HIS nightmare that HE OWNS and created........

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Oh my mistake...I meant "T-bag". Sorry for the confusion...I no longer equate "conservative" with the GOP.

Well, feel free to equate "Conservative" with the GOP because I am very much a REPUBLICAN and PROUD of it............

And T-bag...........I support the Tea Party movement 100%

So, feel free to call me a T-bag too........

There you go, tell em like it is! You'd think that they (Obamaians) would see the light by now!