I've had my license "stripped" from me because of my disability. I don't understand a few things here. When I googled dual control permit, what came up was Penn. but not for a disabilty but because a person gets that because they have failed the drivers test a couple of times and are not allowed to drive without a DMV instructor. It's Penns law, no mention of disabilties. It states that the brakes are on the passenger side of the car because of such. Now if you state it is for your disability, let me tell you you are going to "jump through hoops" and have to have a Cal. MD sign you off to drive, been there done that my friend, NJ to Nev. NJ would give you back your license after 1 year of being seizure free but stall and give people the run around for a full year before that got it. When I got to Nev it was a 3 month wait period here and it was 5 months before I got my license in all. But that was 13 years ago. The pop explosion here has, I'm sure, increased the wait time. They do not want people with disabilties to drive, in some ways that can be good. I have a friend who was in a accident who shakes extremely bad and when I got there The HP asked me if I thought she should be driving (no) but I told them that wasn't for me to decide. One more thing (and I'm sorry people of Cal) but Cal. drivers are the worst I've ever witnessed. They cut in and out of traffic, cut you off, and never use blinkers. We have drivers from all over the country here plus I've lived in NY, NJ and Fla which also had a influx of different drivers. One of the trials of being a adult is to follow the rules, and patience. They aren't out to get you but you seem to think so. The laws are there because too many things happened, too many accidents, too many people hurt and plainly...too many people. You've never driven in Cal so you have no idea what you are getting into. Deciding to drive against alot of odds and calling people names because they give you sound advice -that you don't agree with shows you lack maturity and good judgement which are VERY crucial to handling a 3000 lb peice of metal. Sorry about being so blunt but you are the one being unreasonable.

OP did you say you spend 12 grand on upgrades on a car and you can't even drive it legally??? That's hilarious!!!

That's some serious upgrades. I couldn't even imagine spending 12 large in after-market on my Dakota. Maybe half that, if I wanted to, but not 12.

thats the first thing i noticed right from the get-go....didnt say anything then,..but..12 grand for hand controls for a mustang??..hrmmmmm.

ive got a set of those out in one of the sheds now..wonder how much i can get for em on Ebay?

Depends upon the make of the car I suppose. I know my stepdads jaguar costs RIDICULOUS money to fix even the slightest thing. Just replacing the key is 300 bucks.

Must be one of those smart keys with the microchip in them for security. Yes, I have heard those cost an awful lot to replace.

well i don't know if the dude in question ever took my advice about looking into disability advocates.

but i remember a few years ago, i came up from CALI to WA state, and my DL suddenly got expired as they often do. im out of mins so i will have to finish this post in a few mins.

pt. 2....

so what happened is this? i did not know if i was coming or going, nor what state i was in. so i was afraid to take test. i did not know my own home state laws...coming from cali where everything is different.

one night when i was delivering something to a friend, i came back via the back road from Silicon, and little did i know that ossifer rodriquez was waiting out there to give me a tx, cause my old car was so slow i moved over in the bicycle lane to let the ossifer by who was tailgating me. he did not have his lights on but it was dark, and i could feel a presence back there. just did not know it was the police. so what happened next, happened so fast it is amazing i remember the details. he asked to see my DL, so i thought really fast, and said i did not have it on me. but i had my registration, and furmurz insurance card. he called me in, and WA LAW, not on record. i got the scorching of my life. he said, i know furmurz would not let u drive without ur license, and i suggest u get down there and get it. so i plea bargained, and said if the ossifer would let me park my car across the street at the gas station, i would hoof it home, and follow his request. not so easy. he said " i should have ur car towed. how much do u have in ur bank account"? 200 i said, and he answered, that would be enough. so he called the tow company, and in the meantime, i dropped my keys, and said i could not see without my glasses. he said "ur not driving on MY ROAD without ur glasses", and from there it was all downhill. i got to park my car, hoofed it home, and before i split, i saw the ossifer giving someone else a ticket not 10 mins. later. so i had to appear before judge spiro dimas in silicon, and i told him the story. it did no good even tho i told the truth. i got a suspension, and by this time, the fee had doubled so folk take care of tix's while they r young. i worked at paying it off, and finally they said well pay this amount, and we will forgive u. so about 2 years later, i finally was able to reapply for a DL after my suspension, but by this time was so rattled, that i had to go to Ninny's driving school. cause I was afraid to drive. And it sure taught me a lesson. keep that DL because it is one of our american rights to drive, and it can be taken away from you at any time. and the other thing is that if a doctor says u r not fit to drive, DVM takes that as the gospel, and it is very hard to get around. that's my story, and I'm stickin 2 it.
Ossifer Rodriguez where ever u may be, ya taught me a lesson.

hmmm thought it was illegal to have licenses from more than one state at any one time, had you handled your tickets and affairs when they happened you would no be going thru this hardship.

good luck

if people don't get them punched, they can keep their DL's and DVM is none the wiser. in WA state, they punch it making it invalid. i don't know what goes on in the rest of the world.

new that was done years ago, but now most states can and do share link and info.

either way - oh well

almost all the states are now linked up computerwise.
getting a speeding ticket in another state,used to be minor,nowadays,it Will follow you home.

sorry to hear about your troubles Duffy,seems like that cop was a,err,hardazz*

perfect example tho of how once it starts,it snowballs way out of control.

ps,i thought you gave the OP good advice too.

well i tried. sometimes people get very hot with my advice, but ima advocate of sorts for rights/disabled or otherwise.

well I'm an advocate for Duffy!!!

Im thinking ,according to the OP, the second license was EXPIRED, making it invalid. A good reason why they have an expiration date on them. I do think there would be an issue with having more than one VALID DL at a time though.

I agree with this, but at the same time I think it'd be better if people who are in any trouble with the law (not YOU, op, I am just talking generalities) would drive with no licence, no insurance, and with a couple of outstanding warrants.

These babies would be the most exemplary drivers on the road, putting their indexes out, checking the blind spot, stopping fully at signs, not speeding (unless leaving the area of a bank.)

"other thing is that if a doctor says u r not fit to drive, DVM takes that as the gospel, "

I'm curious if the gospel says anything factual about not driving with a licence or without insurance.

For instance, what would have been the consequences if two camels had a head-on collision in 21 B.C.? What if you get into an accident, but could prove that it was due to mechanical failure? Because one of the four guys carrying your coach fell out, due to a heart attack. I give you another one. What if you rear-end thy neighbour's azz?

That IS excessive. But in my neighbourhood the jaguars run on raw meat. And what fuels the cougars around this place are seamen.

Laws dont make you live illegally, people make themselves live illegally by the choices they make.


Guns dont kill people, people kill people by the choices they make.

We may not agree with all the laws, but they are there to protect others.