I told u to go to WPAS. there has been one ruling, so now APPEAL it. find an attorney.pro se business is risky cause u might lose. u need legal help.

otherwise i will say your last "expression" that got edited out, made me think you really just want to argue the point. now git off the pot, and go do something about this injurious tort that has been done to you and your disability rights.

let us know how it turns out. i am not taking sides either way. but i know what it is like to not have a DL, and fight with DMV. sometimes they don't bend.

yeah..i was kinda blown away myself....
*watching sympathy bird flying out window*

ps..DMV is never wrong..even when they are wrong..

The law is the law. Come on. We all know the law is subject to interpretation, and in Intrepid's case, it was interpreted poorly. I would still like to learn how he got Cali plates with no licence or proof of insurance. Where I'm from, Colorado it's impossible, but thousands of illegal Mexicans seem to get away with it. Not being racist, this is a true fact. And yes, Intrepid could be minding his p's and q's, and while stopped at a red light, someone rear ends him. This would be really bad for Intrepid, because even though he was the victim, he would go to jail for no license. Pray this never happens. But while he's driving illegal he might want to expeditiously get this DL matter sorted out, soon. This won't just go away.

Can't you just go to circuit court and fight it. Bring a lawyer.

No, I didn't mean to be rude toward you. I did some research on the internet and apparently since of all the migrant workers in Ca there are some major insurance companies like mine that will insure a person without a license. That's how I got insurance. About the tags I just produced my title, registration and PA Id card and they gave me a temp. while I waited for the real one. I guess is just frustrating to have all these do gooders on here criticizing me when I went above and beyond the call of duty to abide by the law and they denied me because of some phantom issue with an old Fl. license. My entire point of this post was that being a good person doesn't always mean abiding by the law. I'm surprised to see how many people are so anal about the law. My father is an attorney (I worked for him for 9yrs) and even he agrees with me on this one. Look, consider the fact that the law varies from state to state, nation to nation and time to time. People don't seam to understand that. The law is a product of the times and the society that you live in. A bunch of old guys in suits decide what the "law" is. In another time you would be hanged for stealing bread. If I stole bread today I'd get a fine maybe. As people we have our own virtues and values. More often than not, the law intersects with these but on occasion, it doesn't does that make it any more right than hanging someone for stealing bread? I mean, come on people. Imagine you had a disability that stripped you of certification to drive. Driving a car with hand controls is easier than driving stick shift (which is what I always drove) but you don't need a "special license" to drive a manual trans car. I don't know, sometimes I just wish others would open their mind and think outside the box...

I'm glad this has been a popular topic today, thanks for bringing it up. Anyhow, before too many people get too preachy on here about not breaking the law, you'd be surprised at the number of people who break the law and don't even realize they are doing it. Ever fail to signal when turning, or changing lanes? Ever light off fireworks? Ever double park or park in such a way that the driver who parks next to you can't park there? Ever speed? Even 1, 5, 10 miles over the limit? Ever tailgate as in not putting 2 seconds distance between you and the car in front of you? Ever drive in the passing lane and you're not passing anyone? Ever start your car and go back in your house while you wait for it to warm up? This is called puffing and is illegal. Have you ever let your stickers on your plates go more than 30 days past the expiration date? Have you ever forgot to put your new insurance cards in your glove box? Have you ever littered, even throwing a cigarette butt or gum wrapper out the window? All of these little things are illegal, and so many people do it every day.

its called constructive criticism intrepid..you asked us what we think,and we tell you.

im not trying to be rude..im asking you straightup simple questions that are the exact same ones a Cop is gonna ask you.

you still havent addressed the issue of what happens,say you have been in cali for a couple of months

everythings going great!
youve met someone,shes got kids,and yer all out for a drive.
WHAM!
you get hit..now what?

insurance wont cover her or kids,you werent supposed to be driving.
cars totalled,no license,insurance refuses to pay.
now theres hospital bills and fines,and the guy who hit you gets off scot free.
And,under the New Laws,if She has a D/L and you Didnt,She can be charged with a crime.

and what if,Worst case scenario,God Forbid,one of them gets killed?
starting to see the big picture yet?

again,im not trying to upset you,im trying to show you what could happen.

I am sorry red tape is holding you up but I also know there are two sides to every story. At some point you have to hold yourself accountable.

I absolutely do not agree with you driving without a license because that means you are also uninsured. Being uninsured is irresponsible and I do not feel sorry for you. What if you injure or kill someone?

I read a reply wherein you said you were insured. If your license is not valid, you cannot have insurance (period).

This statement makes me ill!

I hope anyone driving without a license gets their butts throw in jail and no one should be able to have insurance without a valid license.

If a person can't keep a license due to irresponsibility, lack of skills, language barriers, or other reasons then a person should not be behind the wheel of a potentially dangerous instrument.

Why should the good people who pay their way also pay for the "unwilling" or the "ingrates"??

Ridiculous!

I don't claim to be perfect and many others so not as well, but the excuse that "everyone does it" is asinine.

Generally, people are lazy, disrespectful and self entitled -- and that is why they litter, speed, or break the law. It’s not like they are trying to feed their starving baby by stealing a loaf of bread (which I still don’t buy as an excuse to break the law).

My eyes were opened wide when I did my internship for a criminal attorney. The excuses ran long and shallow. I got sick of hearing the whining from the courtroom.

More often than not, if we play by the rules and take care of our business then life is relatively easy. I loathe anyone that tries to circumvent the process due to the aforementioned reasons.

Actually, a person without a license can own a car. when my mother was still having seizures, she and Dad looked into it. A person without a license can own and insure a car, and have it so that someone else can drive them around. You don't have to be a licensed driver to own a car, just to operate one. As far as the rest, did you surrender your Florida license when you got the PA license, or were you holding both of them? Any place I've ever lived, it was a requirement that you surrender the previous state's license, expired or not. I know, too, that when I moved to ND 5 yrs ago, I had no problem getting a regular license transferred from Indiana, but a few months ago when I got my CDL again, Indiana had a block on any CDL in my name because I hadn't had the money to get the physical when it was time to renew the license. Indiana noted it as a medical restriction against a CDL for me in any state, and Indiana had to lift the restriction. So PA isn't the only state that can mess with you as far as medical restrictions across state lines. I'd say, contact PA to get a written list of what it will take to get this straightened out. It must be written, so that when you check off each "to do" on it, they can't say that you didn't do it. Then submit the paperwork. If they still won't lift the restriction after you go through all of this, then it may be in your best interest to hire an attorney. A bit expensive, but to get legal, it may be worth it in the long run.

This is considered illegal where you are? It is practically neccessary here in North Dakota, at least in the winter. Amazing what different states will consider to be illegal.

I agree Cats,,,I missed the point the OP says he was making. I thought his point was he felt FORCED to disobey the law. I dont think we are FORCED to disobey the law, but sometimes circumstances can cause us to CHOOSE to. And as the OP says, I dont think it makes anyone a bad perosn either. That determines a character call that cant be made just upon someones obedience to law.

Wow, it's people like you that make me shake my head. Catsloveme is awesome and knows exactly what I'm trying to say. Appreciate it! but you, you are just a complete tight *** and have no clue how much money and time I spent working to abide by the law. I am here, for the PEOPLE! Not against them. Sometimes the law is wrong and who are you? or anyone who has NEVER met me to say I'm not capable of operating a vehicle? I am as capable of not more than the next person which is why I've had a license before. I'm sorry you and other's like you don't feel that way.

I have to side with Melody on this one. It defeats the purpose if you are just going to go with the claim of 'everyone else does it' and ultimately, it doesn't matter because everyone is treated the same in the laws eyes.

Regardless of "the amount of time spent abiding by the law" the first time you break the law is still breaking the law. But hey, do whatever the hell you want to do, I'm just speaking from experience afterall and maybe if you call out in the middle of court 'well, everyone else does it' they will let it slide.

As long as two years from now you are not blaming the system agin when you get a your car impounded and put in jail for driving without a license through states that take that really seriously, I have no problem with it.

Take responsibility for the issues that you did not resolve that caused you to have this problem.

Everyone is NOT treated the same in the laws eyes, money and power play a large part in how people get treated like with any other american institution.

However, as HUMANS, we should be able to take cases separately and determine appropriate and PRODUCTIVE ways to correct the wrong done. IT makes no sense, for instance, to take someone with NO money who is arrested for a non violent offense, and make them sit in a jail for thirty , sixty days or more trying to come up with BAIL. They could be using that time more productively and the sentence actually makes the situation WORSE not better because they have now also lost their job, and potentially all other things tied into it.

I think the law can always use some common sense interjected into its 'sentencing' standards but until then we take our risk when we break it(rather understandable or not).

That's simple, don't break the law...or at the very least, don't get caught breaking the law. Common sense is a two-way street.

first..catsloveme IS awesome..yes..hes also the first person you were rude to earlier...yeah.

second..all i see is you whining about your rights to drive.
you still havent answered what you would do if you got in an accident.-read my above question for reference.

third...no-one said you cant Operate a vehicle,they said no license means you arent supposed to Be driving..sheesh.

fourth..you brag about obtaining insurance and plates illegally,and expect us to be happy about it?

most of us here i imagine pay our bills and taxes,which includes high insurance rates..
those rates go up because of people who dont have common sense.

as in if -->you have an uninsured crash,i will be paying for it thru higher rates..so,everyone gets hurt.

im still waiting to hear what you would do if you get into an accident..seriously.

i also would like to understand clearly how an insurance company will cover a driver with no d/l- in the event of a Crash

Edit..i went looking thru insurance in cali..

Can you be insured in California without a Drivers License or is that against the law? If so what companies can insure you without a license?

According to stated information given by representatives of the California Department of Insurance, there is no law in California that prohibits an insurance company from selling insurance to an unlicensed driver, such as an illegal immigrant. Insurance companies are free to sell to a variety of clients the CA DOI notes.

That is not to say that most insurance companies would accept an application from a driver that is without a license. Most all insurance companies require a driver's license for the policyholder and drivers listed on an auto insurance policy since their driving records are a main rating factor.

While none of the insurance carriers we are partnered with will allow you to carry a policy without a driver's license, many will allow you to start one with a driver's permit or foreign license if you are in the process of obtaining a State license and will be able to acquire in this case a full, valid California driver's license in a short period of time.

The Wall Street Journal and various California newspapers have done articles about illegal immigrants (illegal aliens) obtaining car insurance in California without a license. These and other news source list a few car insurance companies that supposedly provide coverage to motorists that do not have or are unable to get a CA driver's license.

Progressive Corp., Bristol West Holdings Inc., and Alliance United (a Ventura-based auto insurer) are noted as insurance carriers that provide coverage to what the insurance industry terms nonstandard drivers. This usually means people with too many tickets or accidents but may also extend to unlicensed drivers.

If you have or are in the process of acquiring a CA driver's license you can click here for a low cost car insurance rate.

You obviously are not capable of having an adult conversation.

Regardless of how much you disagree with a member on Mingle, we do not resort to childish name calling.

Call me a tight(whatever) again and you will be reported as being abusive.

If you don’t want to hear what others have to say -- don’t ask.

Show me, in my reply, where I said you cannot properly drive a car? I never judged you or made that comment. My reply primarily referred to “people” in general rather than pointing the finger at you.

I suggest you stop attacking those that you solicited for feedback.