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Topic: Security reviews under way after airliner attack
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Sun 12/27/09 07:22 PM
WASHINGTON – Investigators piecing together a brazen attempt to bring down a trans-Atlantic airliner said Sunday the suspect tucked a small bag holding his deadly concoction on his body, using an explosive that would have been easily detected with the right airport equipment.

His success in smuggling and partially igniting the material on Friday's flight to Detroit prompted the Obama administration to promise a sweeping review of aviation security.

Adding to the airborne jitters, a second Nigerian man was detained Sunday from the same Northwest flight to Detroit after he locked himself in the plane's bathroom. Officials reported that he was belligerent but genuinely sick, and that, in an abundance of caution, the plane was taken to a remote location for screening before passengers were let off.

Investigators concluded he posed no threat. Despite the government's decision after the attempted Friday attack to mobilize more air marshals, none was on the Sunday flight from Amsterdam, according to a government report obtained by The Associated Press.

Stiffer boarding measures met passengers at gates as authorities warned travelers to expect extra delays returning home from holidays. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs announced a review of air safety on two broad fronts, saying the government will investigate its systems for placing suspicious travelers on watch lists and for detecting explosives before passengers board flights.

Both lines of defense were breached in an improbable series of events Christmas Day that spanned three continents and culminated in a struggle and fire aboard a Northwest jet shortly before its safe landing in Detroit. Law enforcement officials believed the suspect tried to ignite a two-part concoction of PETN and possibly a glycol-based liquid explosive, setting off popping, smoke and some fire but no deadly detonation.

Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, an Islamic devotee once dubbed "the Pope" as a sign of respect by classmates, was released from a Michigan hospital in the custody of federal marshals Sunday after being treated for burns. He is charged with attempting to destroy an aircraft and placing a destructive device in a plane.

Abdulmutallab's lawyer said Sunday that he is now in a federal prison in Milan, Mich.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano hastened to assure people that flying is "very, very safe."

She said the suspect in Friday's attack "was stopped before any damage could be done. I think the important thing to recognize here is that once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have."

That brought a sharp rebuke from Rep. Peter King of New York, the top Republican on the Homeland Security Committee. "It's not reassuring when the secretary of Homeland Security says the system worked," King said. "It failed in every respect."

Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader in the Senate, said, "It's amazing to me that an individual like this who was sending out so many signals could end up getting on a plane going to the U.S."

An apparent malfunction in a device designed to detonate the high explosive PETN may have been all that saved the 278 passengers and the crew aboard Northwest Flight 253. No undercover air marshal was on board and passengers and crew subdued the suspect when he tried to set off the explosion. He succeeded only in starting a fire on himself.

Law enforcement officials say Abdulmutallab hid a condom or condom-like pouch below his torso containing PETN, the primary ingredient in detonating cords used for industrial explosions.

Airport "puffer" machines that blow air on a passenger to collect and analyze residues would probably have detected the powder, as would bomb-sniffing dogs or a hands-on search using a swab, they said, but most passengers in airports only go through magnetometers, which detect metal rather than explosives. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation.

Abdulmutallab told authorities after his arrest that his plan originated with al-Qaida's network inside Yemen, a link the U.S. government has avoided making so far. Napolitano said there was no indication yet that Abdulmutallab is part of a larger terrorist plot, although his possible ties to al-Qaida are still under investigation.

A video posted online four days before the bombing attempt featured an al-Qaida operative in Yemen threatening the U.S. and saying "we are carrying a bomb." It was not immediately clear whether the speaker was anticipating Friday's bombing attempt.

In November, Abdulmutallab had been placed in a database of more than 500,000 names of people suspected of terrorist ties. But officials say there was not enough information about his terror activity that would have placed him on a watch list that could have kept him from flying. Officials said he came to the attention of U.S. intelligence last month when his father, a prominent Nigerian banker, reported to the American Embassy in Nigeria about his son's increasingly extremist views.

Despite that red flag, Abdulmutallab was not elevated to more exclusive — and perhaps manageable — lists of some 18,000 people who are designated for additional security searches or barred from flying altogether. Napolitano said that would have required "specific, credible, derogatory information" that authorities didn't have.

A U.S. official said the father's concerns were shared among those in the embassy, including liaison personnel from other agencies based there, such as the FBI. The alert was then relayed to Washington and again shared among agencies such as the State, Justice and Homeland Security departments, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation.

Nigerian Information Minister Dora Akunyili said Abdulmutallab, who was living in London, sneaked back into Nigeria to catch the flight that would take him to Amsterdam and Detroit. She did not elaborate on how he entered the country.

Abdulmutallab had a U.S. visa issued in June 2008 and valid through June 2010.

Just as passenger shoe searches became the order of the day after Richard Reid tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001 with PETN hidden in his shoes, the latest attempted assault could bring new layers of screening and delays. Among the possibilities: fuller and more frequent body pat-downs and scanning.

"I think we have to head in that direction," King said. "Yes, there is some brief violation of privacy with a full body scan. But on the other hand, if we can save thousands of lives, to me, we have to make that decision."

Gibbs was noncommittal on that question. "We obviously want to review and make sure that all the detection capabilities that are supposed to happen, whether it's a pat-down, whether it's additional security selection — that that happens in each instance."

On Saturday, two Middle Eastern men thought to have been acting suspicious aboard a flight bound for Phoenix were detained and questioned by federal anti-terrorism authorities before being released. That incident — and Sunday's incident in Detroit — led the Council on American-Islamic Relations to urge airline security personnel to avoid ethnic and religious profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091228/ap_on_go_ot/us_airliner_attack

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 08:42 AM
You go Obama!

JustAGuy2112's photo
Mon 12/28/09 09:37 AM
Ever notice how our government works on a strictly reactionary basis?

Also notice how those reactions are usually of the ' knee jerk ' variety?

They have taken away just about any form of privacy as far as air travel, severely restricted what can be taken on airplanes, forced people < the vast majority of which have absolutely no intentions of downing a plane or causing any other kind of trouble >, and yet, they STILL can't keep us completely safe.

Now they are going to " review the procedures ".

Big deal.

The no fly list and the ' person of interest ' list is so massive, that unless they set up computer terminals around the world that have access to both of those lists, there isn't squat they can actually do.

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Mon 12/28/09 09:45 AM

You go Obama!
drinker
and don't just stop at Hawaii, keep right on going till you get back home to Kenya and take your sheeple with you.laugh

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 09:48 AM

Ever notice how our government works on a strictly reactionary basis?

Also notice how those reactions are usually of the ' knee jerk ' variety?

They have taken away just about any form of privacy as far as air travel, severely restricted what can be taken on airplanes, forced people < the vast majority of which have absolutely no intentions of downing a plane or causing any other kind of trouble >, and yet, they STILL can't keep us completely safe.

Now they are going to " review the procedures ".

Big deal.

The no fly list and the ' person of interest ' list is so massive, that unless they set up computer terminals around the world that have access to both of those lists, there isn't squat they can actually do.


I know!
It's like the child sex-offender list.
There are too many on it who shouldn't be!
Too much listing and not enough reasoning.

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Mon 12/28/09 10:02 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 12/28/09 10:03 AM
Do you realize how many names are on the sex-offender list just because they were an 18 yr old man who was involved with a HS girl whose parents didn't like him so they had him arrested?

I think that gov. list watch list, with 550 thousand names on it, could be whittled down some.
Or, put them all on the no-flight list.

Who came up with the idea of multiple lists to begin with?

no photo
Mon 12/28/09 10:03 AM
Having just flown on Dec. 11th from Detroit to Dallas and returned on Dec. 13th, I can tell you that security was lax compared to flying earlier.

I flew in August 2008 and the measures were much tighter. They physically inspected all of the compartments in my purse and carryon. This time around, my belongings went through the machine and nothing was inspected at all. I didn't have all my liquid(make-up) back in the plastic clear bag on the way back. Nothing was said or even mentioned in Dallas.


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Mon 12/28/09 10:04 AM
Santa Claus came up with the multiple listings, one for naughty and one for nice, we just picked up the ball and ran with that idea.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 10:05 AM
This flight came from Amsterdam.


Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 10:09 AM

Santa Claus came up with the multiple listings, one for naughty and one for nice, we just picked up the ball and ran with that idea.


LOL

What would be wrong with one list?
568 thousand people would not be allowed on any planes.

Who cares?

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 10:20 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 12/28/09 10:25 AM
Two lists has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

The only plane they would get on, in or out of the US if, there name was on either list, would be shackled in the back of a military cargo plane.

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Mon 12/28/09 10:30 AM

Two lists has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

The only plane they would get on, in or out of the US if, there name was on either list, would be shackled in the back of a military cargo plane.

Here's the part that truly worries me - who would/should have the power to place anyone on either list? With as much corruption as there is I trust no one, especially some disgruntled employee who hasn't had their morning coffee and is annoyed by my questioning his authority.

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Mon 12/28/09 10:40 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 12/28/09 10:43 AM


Two lists has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

The only plane they would get on, in or out of the US if, there name was on either list, would be shackled in the back of a military cargo plane.

Here's the part that truly worries me - who would/should have the power to place anyone on either list? With as much corruption as there is I trust no one, especially some disgruntled employee who hasn't had their morning coffee and is annoyed by my questioning his authority.


I'll bet none of the names on the listssss are living inside the US. Unless they are on the lam.
Otherwise, it's because there are multiple lists and that person was allowed to enter the US.
One list.
If they are here at the time the one list was created, and we don't have enough solid evidence showing the should be considered a POW,
they leave shackled in a military cargo plane.
If they should be considered a POW, of the War on Terror, they are sent to Illinois and held until the war is over.
Be that 1 yr or 1000 yrs.

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Mon 12/28/09 11:26 AM

I'll bet none of the names on the listssss are living inside the US. Unless they are on the lam.
Otherwise, it's because there are multiple lists and that person was allowed to enter the US.
One list.
If they are here at the time the one list was created, and we don't have enough solid evidence showing the should be considered a POW,
they leave shackled in a military cargo plane.
leave to where? you'd return them to where?

If they should be considered a POW, of the War on Terror, they are sent to Illinois and held until the war is over.
Be that 1 yr or 1000 yrs.

yikes what did Illinois ever do to you? :smile:


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Mon 12/28/09 11:28 AM

This flight came from Amsterdam.




if the flight came from Amsterdam, wouldn't that mean they are the ones that dropped the ball?

franshade's photo
Mon 12/28/09 12:14 PM


This flight came from Amsterdam.



if the flight came from Amsterdam, wouldn't that mean they are the ones that dropped the ball?


Yes, but wasn't that passenger put out (he was on fire) over Detroit Michigan somewhere. Had he been able to ignite the device many would have lost their lives on American soil.

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Mon 12/28/09 12:16 PM
I'm not sure. I haven't really followed it as much as I should have. That is why I asked.

Maybe Amsterdam should have checked him better. When he is in the air over the US, is there much we could have done to prevent it?

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Mon 12/28/09 12:19 PM

I'm not sure. I haven't really followed it as much as I should have. That is why I asked.

Maybe Amsterdam should have checked him better. When he is in the air over the US, is there much we could have done to prevent it?

I haven't followed it much either, is there much we could have done not sure, but thankful for that alert passenger who saw the man on fire, sitting calmly.

Imagine your crotch on fire and you sitting there without a care in the world slaphead yikessssssssss

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Mon 12/28/09 12:20 PM
the image of that just blows me away. If I was on fire...I wouldn't be sitting calmly...it would burn. and I would think that would be something a lot of passengers wold see....correct? how do you miss a man on fire?

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Mon 12/28/09 12:32 PM


I'll bet none of the names on the listssss are living inside the US. Unless they are on the lam.
Otherwise, it's because there are multiple lists and that person was allowed to enter the US.
One list.
If they are here at the time the one list was created, and we don't have enough solid evidence showing the should be considered a POW,
they leave shackled in a military cargo plane.
leave to where? you'd return them to where?

If they should be considered a POW, of the War on Terror, they are sent to Illinois and held until the war is over.
Be that 1 yr or 1000 yrs.

yikes what did Illinois ever do to you? :smile:




They volunteered.

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