Topic: Security reviews under way after airliner attack
Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 12:33 PM


This flight came from Amsterdam.




if the flight came from Amsterdam, wouldn't that mean they are the ones that dropped the ball?


The security in Amsterdam and Nigeria.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 12:34 PM


I'm not sure. I haven't really followed it as much as I should have. That is why I asked.

Maybe Amsterdam should have checked him better. When he is in the air over the US, is there much we could have done to prevent it?

I haven't followed it much either, is there much we could have done not sure, but thankful for that alert passenger who saw the man on fire, sitting calmly.

Imagine your crotch on fire and you sitting there without a care in the world slaphead yikessssssssss


Thankful the bomb didn't work.

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Mon 12/28/09 12:36 PM



I'm not sure. I haven't really followed it as much as I should have. That is why I asked.

Maybe Amsterdam should have checked him better. When he is in the air over the US, is there much we could have done to prevent it?

I haven't followed it much either, is there much we could have done not sure, but thankful for that alert passenger who saw the man on fire, sitting calmly.

Imagine your crotch on fire and you sitting there without a care in the world slaphead yikessssssssss


Thankful the bomb didn't work.


Yes indeed, the man didn't give much resistance once he was discovered by a fellow passenger, things just don't much make sense to me. Who in their right mind, hell who with 1/2 a mind sits by calmly while on fire???

Also read this person was on the watchlist but not flagged as dangerous.

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Mon 12/28/09 12:38 PM


I'm not sure. I haven't really followed it as much as I should have. That is why I asked.

Maybe Amsterdam should have checked him better. When he is in the air over the US, is there much we could have done to prevent it?

I haven't followed it much either, is there much we could have done not sure, but thankful for that alert passenger who saw the man on fire, sitting calmly.

Imagine your crotch on fire and you sitting there without a care in the world slaphead yikessssssssss



ALot of international flights come through Amsterdam. When my husband traveled from the UK , he often went through Amsterdam. This passenger came from Nigeria, but traveled through Amsterdam and YES, seems to me as if they dropped the ball. There is an underlying story here that claims he had some businessman with him in Amsterdam who made the case for him to avoid customs(some sob story) and they let him through. I would have to search to find it now because they dont seem to be giving it the coverage of the plane incident itself.

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Mon 12/28/09 12:40 PM
read the bomb was hidden in his underpants and on his leg, detonation device in his hands. Haven't read about any case.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/fl-flight-hero-interview-20091228,0,7457380,full.story

no photo
Mon 12/28/09 12:45 PM
There is a heaten debate going on in the Netherlands about the lousy security on Schiphol (Amsterdam) airport. The blaming game has started and I think that dutch customs are to blame - at least for a major part.

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Mon 12/28/09 02:24 PM
"Along with the Department of Homeland Security's Science and Technology Directorate, TSA is responsible for researching and deploying new technologies aimed at making air travel safer. With systems mired in various phases of development, not a single new screening technology has been fully implemented nationwide.

GAO auditors found that TSA has not applied any risk analysis or cost-benefit analysis to ensure the effectiveness or need of the new technologies. GAO said that TSA doesn't even have "reasonable assurance that technologies will perform as intended."

Due diligence is required by the agency's own technology-development guidelines. While TSA claims that steps have been taken to "strengthen testing procedures and improve the strategic deployment of emerging technologies," as of September, a repeatedly delayed internal risk-analysis test remains unfinished with no timeline for completion. TSA can't provide a timetable for beginning cost-benefit analyses or for creating performance measures for its new technologies.

The findings are hardly surprising. The Department of Homeland Security's inspector general has documented serious passenger- and baggage-screening failures and insufficient tracking of airport security passes and uniforms of former employees. In tests to evaluate airport-screener performance, GAO officials were able to sneak low-yield detonators, explosives and incendiary devices onto planes.

Despite TSA's troubled history, the response from Congress continues to be anemic. One pending House bill would actually give collective-bargaining power to failing airport screeners. Giving labor more power would undermine the already poor screener-performance record by lowering standards. More than 50 percent failed the agency's skills test this year, but the screeners' unions maintain that the problem is the test itself."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/04/lax-airport-security/

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Mon 12/28/09 03:05 PM

"Along with the Department of Homeland Security's Science and Technology Directorate, TSA is responsible for researching and deploying new technologies aimed at making air travel safer. With systems mired in various phases of development, not a single new screening technology has been fully implemented nationwide.

GAO auditors found that TSA has not applied any risk analysis or cost-benefit analysis to ensure the effectiveness or need of the new technologies. GAO said that TSA doesn't even have "reasonable assurance that technologies will perform as intended."

Due diligence is required by the agency's own technology-development guidelines. While TSA claims that steps have been taken to "strengthen testing procedures and improve the strategic deployment of emerging technologies," as of September, a repeatedly delayed internal risk-analysis test remains unfinished with no timeline for completion. TSA can't provide a timetable for beginning cost-benefit analyses or for creating performance measures for its new technologies.

The findings are hardly surprising. The Department of Homeland Security's inspector general has documented serious passenger- and baggage-screening failures and insufficient tracking of airport security passes and uniforms of former employees. In tests to evaluate airport-screener performance, GAO officials were able to sneak low-yield detonators, explosives and incendiary devices onto planes.

Despite TSA's troubled history, the response from Congress continues to be anemic. One pending House bill would actually give collective-bargaining power to failing airport screeners. Giving labor more power would undermine the already poor screener-performance record by lowering standards. More than 50 percent failed the agency's skills test this year, but the screeners' unions maintain that the problem is the test itself."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/04/lax-airport-security/


Hey Fanta and others, is TSA responsible for all flights entering and departing from the US? Do we hire, train and pay these employees outside of the US?

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:20 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 12/28/09 03:21 PM
Finally we are getting some where.

Shortly after 9/11, 2001, new security guidelines and requirements to improve equipment were put to order.

Evidently in the 8 or so years since no one has done squat.
Since Obama has became President Congressional action has been obstructed and delayed at every opportunity by the Republican Party.

Wait Fanta, Can this really be true?

Why yes I believe that is right. The Anti-American Party has been delaying and obstructing every bill presented before it with such vigor they have prevented any effective progress towards congressional action on anything else.

Of course that is just for the last 11 months. What about the 7 years before that?

Answer,
Beats me.
I guess maybe Obama needs to review everything the prior Admin was suppossed to have done.
They should never have expected it to have been done right.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:22 PM
ok question...how do these guidelines pertain to other countries? Aren't these guidelines just for the US?

franshade's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:24 PM

ok question...how do these guidelines pertain to other countries? Aren't these guidelines just for the US?

I asked a similar question but I'm sure Fanta will respond to yours tongue2 laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:26 PM
laugh spill it Fanta

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:27 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 12/28/09 03:30 PM
The US can stop allowing service from any airport in the world to the US if they don't abide by the security guidelines.

The incentive is economic!

Besides the airline was Northwest!
Northwest airlines a wholly-owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, Inc., is a major United States airline headquartered in Eagan, Minnesota, near Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

franshade's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:27 PM
hey Fanta is that duct tape you are wearing on your default pic???

<~~~~~~~~~~~ see my default pic :laughing:

franshade's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:29 PM

The US can stop allowing service from any airport in the world to the US if they don't abide by the security guidelines.

The incentive is economic!

Besides the airline was Delta!
Delta airlines is a United States airline based and headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia.


So I ask my question again, do we hire, train and employee citizens of other countries where US based airlines fly from? Are these flights also conditional to TSA rules and guidelines. Just asking as I don't know

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:32 PM
in other words....flights like these can come here without our screening guidelines?

cashu's photo
Mon 12/28/09 03:39 PM
amazing , the 20/20 are here again . they are always on the job in a 20/20 sort of way . we have paid them a lot for there views . they are always around after something happens . with there hands stuck out palms upward .
I know they have the degrees and are dam proud of them , they are proof that they are superior aren't they .
the turth is my dog could do a better job and I won't charge that much . if we just took back the pay we have alresdy gave them we could pay him with that and have millions left over to pay or worthless congress with . there is a lot of wasted money there .
I like to think I'm a democrat but the turth is I think our government proves nothing works as good as a good shot .

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 04:04 PM

in other words....flights like these can come here without our screening guidelines?


Do we have the authority to enforce rules in other countries?

No, but we can refuse them service to US Airports if they don't enforce them.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 12/28/09 04:07 PM

Finally we are getting some where.

Shortly after 9/11, 2001, new security guidelines and requirements to improve equipment were put to order.

Evidently in the 8 or so years since no one has done squat.
Since Obama has became President Congressional action has been obstructed and delayed at every opportunity by the Republican Party.

Wait Fanta, Can this really be true?

Why yes I believe that is right. The Anti-American Party has been delaying and obstructing every bill presented before it with such vigor they have prevented any effective progress towards congressional action on anything else.

Of course that is just for the last 11 months. What about the 7 years before that?

Answer,
Beats me.
I guess maybe Obama needs to review everything the prior Admin was suppossed to have done.
They should never have expected it to have been done right.


Neapolitan's head should roll.

It was her job to review the agency she inherited. If things weren't done by the previous Admin she should have been fixing them.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/28/09 04:12 PM


in other words....flights like these can come here without our screening guidelines?


Do we have the authority to enforce rules in other countries?

No, but we can refuse them service to US Airports if they don't enforce them.



that is basically what I was asking. Why should we bring possible danger here?