that's why your avatar has a yellow ring around it rather than Gold...lol...Kudos to you for not breaking him just for the sake of doing so.....I've often wondered how much someone really loved someone when they ended up taking them to the cleaners, it's a dog eat dog world, but damn somebody has to be an adorable puppy sometimes......you're right, there are still some decent folks left in this world not in it for the money, unfortunately Tiger didn't find her....ah, but such is golf...lmao

Seems the supreme courts in various areas disagrees about marriage being a right:

Because the exclusion of same-sex couples from eligibility for civil marriage infringes the fundamental right to choose one's spouse, such exclusion may be sustained only if it serves a compelling state interest. The Supreme Court has consistently reaffirmed that, since the freedom to marry is a fundamental right, restrictions that “significantly interfere with decisions to enter into the marital relationship” are subject to “rigorous scrutiny” and “cannot be upheld unless ... supported by sufficiently important state interests ...closely tailored to effectuate only those interests.” Zablocki, 434 US at 386-388.



There are three decisions concerning the right of a gay couple to marry: Hernandez, et al., v. Victor L Robles, City Clerk of the City of New York, Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, from Massachusetts, and Heather Anderson and Leslie Christina; et al., v. King County, et al. from the state of Washington. All three concur that marriage and the right to choose one's partner in marriage, are fundamental rights protected by the U.S. Constitution. All three confirm that it is unconstitutional to disallow gay couples the right to marry.


BTW marriage was around long before the christian bible.

btw,when it comes to straight people,the guy always gets the shaft in the divorce....how will that work with gays/lesbians?how are they going to decide?

^simple, the one with the biggest toy will get the shaft.....

Personally I don't believe in civil rights, affirmative action, gay rights or even the feminine rights, Thank God we have them, but seriously if we were all "created Equal" then there should be no need for such a thing in a society that claims the "land of the free"

Secondly having to be married for monetary benefits and what not is a joke, why should anyone have to go before a minister or city hall to proclaim their love for each other. It should be ordained by the God of your choice or just between the two of you, they call it a living will....I could care less who you sleep with, or play toys with as long as you're a law abiding citizen who should give a damn who your shacked up with....and speaking of rights, I don't see any of you talking about restoring the rights of ex-cons once they have served their full sentence, as the constitution states. Most of them can no longer vote, are heavily discrimated against in the job field and do not have the right to bear arms, I mean fair is fair, if you're gonna cry, cry for all the injustices, not just one....

Have a TOYFUL holiday.

btw,when it comes to straight people,the guy always gets the shaft in the divorce....how will that work with gays/lesbians?how are they going to decide?

^simple, the one with the biggest toy will get the shaft.....

Personally I don't believe in civil rights, affirmative action, gay rights or even the feminine rights, Thank God we have them, but seriously if we were all "created Equal" then there should be no need for such a thing in a society that claims the "land of the free"

Secondly having to be married for monetary benefits and what not is a joke, why should anyone have to go before a minister or city hall to proclaim their love for each other. It should be ordained by the God of your choice or just between the two of you, they call it a living will....I could care less who you sleep with, or play toys with as long as you're a law abiding citizen who should give a damn who your shacked up with....and speaking of rights, I don't see any of you talking about restoring the rights of ex-cons once they have served their full sentence, as the constitution states. Most of them can no longer vote, are heavily discrimated against in the job field and do not have the right to bear arms, I mean fair is fair, if you're gonna cry, cry for all the injustices, not just one....

Have a TOYFUL holiday.

But the Bible was around long before the Constitution,,,


Actually, the Supreme Court decisions support states rights to determine marriage boundaries. Most states still uphold the belief that marriage “creat[es] the most important relation in life” and is “the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

FOUNDATION OF FAMILY ,the root from which family grows, is when a man and woman join together. The Constitution argument is centered around civil rights issues that specifically arose to protect against RACIAL discrimination, race which is a social construct and not something someone defines for themself is quite different than gender which is a biological difference between people, as is biological and emotional age(an interest protected in the guidelines of marriage) , and biological closeness(protected in the guidelines of marriage).

Nowhere in the constitution is marriage specifically mentioned but many people stretch the fourteenth amendment to apply to marriage and homosexuality. Marriage is defined by popular culture and will always be. It is the reason some cultures permit children to be married off while our culture considers a child with an adult to be pedophilia. IT is nothing BUT cultural beliefs that are agreed upon. That is one reason noone wants to compare incest and homosexuality. Our culture PREDOMINATELY agrees incest is undesirable but there are no LEGAL or CONSTITUTIONAL reasons we shouldnt allow brothers and sisters to marry, and there are cultures which do allow such things. And, I suppose, should our culture become bored enough and start sleeping with its siblings in large numbers, that lifestyle will become protected under law as well.

Cultures change, and along with them laws are made and amended.
I dont see a time when homosexual marriage will stop being a STATE issue but I do see a swing in basic values which could bring more people to agree with homosexual marriage and entice their politicians and STATE leaders to amend marriage to include any consentual relationship that makes 'consenting adults' happy.

Yes the bible was around before the constistution but marriage was around before the bible. Christianity did not invent marriage, there were romans and greek that were getting married long before the bible even existed.

If they really don't want gay people to have "marriage" and be miserable with everyone else, then give them better civil unions.
Make it so businesses HAVE to abide a civil union just like they would a marriage, cuz at this stage businesses do NOT have to adhere to a civil union or a domestic partnership.

Some places see a civil union as nothing more than legalized dating. So in order for a civil union to be fully binding, they MUST be given every single right that a married couple has. In which case the civil union is no longer a civil union but has become a marriage.

I think you'd do well to read the constitution and the bill of rights before they were amended to appease the rich, and maybe you'd also gain some knowledge reading the annotated codes written prior to our democracy being over ridden by surbanites who forgot the blood that was spilled to allow them to live there......as to the rights to bear arms, granted, so open the military instead of the prisons for petty *** crimes, like they used to do in the sixties, many of those wayward souls died for your habitat and many still went on to lead very productive lives as good citizens.....apples and oranges, we could debate it all day, but it seems useless when you are stuck in a world of black and white, the law is the law right, but who makes them, surely not the majority.

I'm sorry but you can't be bisexual when you keep referring to religion. Stop ignoring the fact that I keep saying that this has nothing to do with religion, its about being recognized that's all most of us want. Incest is very different, and in Mexico isn't a big deal. SPeaking of Mexico, they already legalized gay marriage. They are considered a STRONG OLD FASHIONED CATHOLIC country yet they took the biggest step. People here are so self absorbed, I can guarantee you that even if I wasn't a lesbian I would still be fighting for this right. Seems "worse" countries are becoming more advanced than the people here.

That is interesting, as I have heard of many 'religious' gay people and even pastors, so why cant a bisexual speak of religion?

I have a bisexual attraction, that makes me a sinner , which I can aknowledge by aknowledging religion. But I will put religion aside for a moment to ask this question.

I keep hearing that incest is different, but noone explains HOW. What makes it any different? Both are disapproved of by some but not all. Both involve consenting adults wanting to be happy. Where is the difference except in our own cultural upbringings that stigmatize one more than the other?

Some religions change, expand, and new ones are created. So I don't see why we can't change marriage. Because incest is wrong. I love my brothers, but sleeping with either of them is definitely not even an idea. How can you compare incest and same sex marriage? like I said there are states who allow first cousins to marry, others with restrictions, and the majority don't allow it. Because the possibility of a child being born with disabilities is a higher risk. You are trying to compare two things that are more different than the same.

There you have made my point. I just posted an article stating that the risks of genetic defect in children born from cousins is NO higher than non related parents.

Your argument is that its 'just wrong' which is pretty much the same argument made by those who oppose homosexuality. The stigma is cultural, the laws and amendments are made largely by popular values of the time. When people stop stigmatizing cousins being in love and having sex, I am sure they will want just the same protections as men who are in love with men and women who are in love with women.

so that's why Psychiatrists ask "have you ever had a desire to sleep with your mother", I wonder if Adam asked his son that in regards to Eve.....lmao

Personally Love, religion and the judicial system need to stay seperated. Who the hell are any of them to tell you who you can love and whom you can wed, unless you are living in their house they don't really have that right...Oh yes they do, the mighty tax payer gave it to them.....Being Homophobic is just as much as a sin as be homosexual according to the word of "God".......