Topic: Open Letter To Pres. Obama From Michael Moore
Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/02/09 01:09 PM
There is not enough oil in Afghanistan to make it worth anyone's interest.
There is some Natural Gas deposits in the North, but other than that Afghanistan has no natural resources to be of any economic consequence.

I have studied Afghanistan. I have done a research paper on Afghanistan.
They won their Independence, with Russia's help, after 3 wars and many years from Britain in 1919.
After doing so, and with a Democratically minded King, they requested America's assistance. At the time women were allowed to vote and attend schools.
America turned them down because we were Britain's allies. Not wanting to be enamored to Russia they once again asked for American assistance in the late 50s. (58, I think)
Again we turned their request down because they wouldn't break their treaty and speak out against Russia.
The request by America was based on cold-war rivalry and politics.
As a result Russia became deeper involved in Afghan policies, government, and began training all the Afghan Military leaders inside Russian borders.
It was in this way that they were able to influence coups in the Afghan government which eventually led to the invasion in 1978.
Most of you know what has happened since.
Our historical neglect and cold-war politics led to years of war in Afghanistan and the Taliban/ Al qaeda cooperative government which was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.

We must set these mistakes right. We must finish the job.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/02/09 01:21 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 12/02/09 01:27 PM
The border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan (West Bangladesh), that gives so much assistance to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and causes both Pakistan and Afghanistan trouble, is the Pushtu tribal region.
A tribe that is know for fierce warriors and also fierce resistance to outsiders. What they really seek is reconciling their tribal region and autonomy. Their homelands were divided by the Empire building, and redrawing of borders, of Great Britain in the late 19th century. They will Allie with anyone who will help them achieve their goal but in reality have only the dream of accomplishing their goal.
It's my personal belief that if we wish to see peace in the region we should help them to reunite their land. Of course part of this land also lies in Iran.

If we helped them achieve their goal, they would gladly turn on the Taliban/al Qaeda.

willing2's photo
Wed 12/02/09 01:48 PM
If Africa and china have a falling out, there is s region in Russia China would consider invading that is oil rich. I see it as one of the routes. Goes directly to Russia.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/02/09 01:53 PM





the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.

hellkitten54's photo
Wed 12/02/09 02:14 PM
I loved Michael Moore in Team America: World Police.:smile:

norslyman's photo
Wed 12/02/09 02:21 PM
Amen Michael.

Obama's speech sounded strangly similar to Bush. laugh

Yes, we have a new 'war president'. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Endless war for endless peace?

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 02:53 PM






the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/02/09 02:59 PM







the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:03 PM








the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:04 PM
Woah, seriously!?!

I just re-read that and you admit you're not very well versed on Moore but you're having this argument with me!?! Really!?!

I suggest you stop arguing topics because of your hatred of one side when you admit complete ignorance to the other.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:06 PM









the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.


Moore seems more moderate in everything I have seen of him or read of him to me so that is not extreme liberalism.

Limbaugh takes advantage of everything. He uses the voice given him to promote hatred and make himself rich from those people who are not sauvy enough to know he is taking advantage of them.

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:15 PM










the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.


Moore seems more moderate in everything I have seen of him or read of him to me so that is not extreme liberalism.

Limbaugh takes advantage of everything. He uses the voice given him to promote hatred and make himself rich from those people who are not sauvy enough to know he is taking advantage of them.


Thanks for the examples.
</sarcasm>

I suggest you read more on what Moore promotes.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:19 PM











the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.


Moore seems more moderate in everything I have seen of him or read of him to me so that is not extreme liberalism.

Limbaugh takes advantage of everything. He uses the voice given him to promote hatred and make himself rich from those people who are not sauvy enough to know he is taking advantage of them.


Thanks for the examples.
</sarcasm>

I suggest you read more on what Moore promotes.


I suggest you take Limbaugh as the hatemonger that he is first and then we can go from there.

Extreme liberalism needs to be defined since we know that extreme conservatism implies Rush and worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism It has some interesting tidbits.

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Wed 12/02/09 03:20 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Wed 12/02/09 03:25 PM



His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


You forgot to mention how much Rush Limbaugh makes or have , and I'm sure he is not having sleepless nights about the bills lining up on the table.

Either way, one left one right.....they are making a killing on the support of their own fans.. again...instead of thinking for themselves, millions just parrot what they say, because they are unable to add 1+1 together by themselves.

And again, I blame the people , regardless left or right, it's their problem if they have aligned themselves with one side and can't keep an open mind. Follow one side like a dogma, or worship various celebrities and loudmouth radiohosts and self-declared "experts"- neither of them Rush or Moore or any other out there has any expertise on political or social studies, while the ones who do have and hold Phd-s, and decades of experience are ignored, thanks to these loud mouth- profiteers.
Keep listening to one or the other, later have a civil war..I don't care. The people get a government of what they deserve, let it be the cruelest or the best.


Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:24 PM
Moore has helped people see some things that they probably may never have thought of before.

Opening minds is always a good thing.

Limbaugh closes minds and creates hatred. Never a good thing.

I don't know how the comparison was made actually.

Quietman_2009's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:25 PM
hahahaha my kettle isn't black

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:31 PM












the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.


Moore seems more moderate in everything I have seen of him or read of him to me so that is not extreme liberalism.

Limbaugh takes advantage of everything. He uses the voice given him to promote hatred and make himself rich from those people who are not sauvy enough to know he is taking advantage of them.


Thanks for the examples.
</sarcasm>

I suggest you read more on what Moore promotes.


I suggest you take Limbaugh as the hatemonger that he is first and then we can go from there.

Extreme liberalism needs to be defined since we know that extreme conservatism implies Rush and worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism It has some interesting tidbits.


To redefine my statement, he is extremely socially liberal and his economic beliefs root in those social beliefs.

I believe I asked you for examples of this hate-mongering and you came back with nothing. We are arguing your premises on this topic. If you wish to challenge Moore's hypocrisy, well, I think I already justified my claim. Otherwise, I will not give any credit to your claim until you can at least try to prove it to me.

AndrewAV's photo
Wed 12/02/09 03:35 PM




His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


You forgot to mention how much Rush Limbaugh makes or have , and I'm sure he is not having sleepless nights about the bills lining up on the table.

Either way, one left one right.....they are making a killing on the support of their own fans.. again...instead of thinking for themselves, millions just parrot what they say, because they are unable to add 1+1 together by themselves.

And again, I blame the people , regardless left or right, it's their problem if they have aligned themselves with one side and can't keep an open mind. Follow one side like a dogma, or worship various celebrities and loudmouth radiohosts and self-declared "experts"- neither of them Rush or Moore or any other out there has any expertise on political or social studies, while the ones who do have and hold Phd-s, and decades of experience are ignored, thanks to these loud mouth- profiteers.
Keep listening to one or the other, later have a civil war..I don't care. The people get a government of what they deserve, let it be the cruelest or the best.




The argument I'm making has nothing to do with the relative income, only that while Limbaugh makes millions in the system (capitalism) that he supports, Moore too makes millions and claims so much to hate the very system he has exploited to gain that wealth. To clarify, I have no issues with someone making a couple hundred million on a movie they produce.

But this post is spot on otherwise. drinker

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Wed 12/02/09 03:36 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Wed 12/02/09 03:40 PM













the Rush Limbaugh of the left


Maybe, with no racism or hatred spewing out of his mouth, that does make him more worthy of listening to.


No hatred!?! Have you listened to him?


Yup, no hatred there.


Both of them spread the same hatred for the opposite side. Limbaugh, for liberals in general; Moore spreads the same hate for the wealthy and those that truely want less restricted capitalism.

The only difference is that Rush sticks with his protests while Moore is one of the biggest hypocrites in existence.

wait, so I guess you're right. In order for Moore to be spreading hate, he would have to actually practice what he preaches. Nevermind then. I guess if you're a lying fake that taking advantage of people's emotions for personal gain, you really aren't spreading hate if your primary goal is personal gain.


How funny, your protests to Moore fit Limbaugh to a t....lol

Of course you have to add the bigotry to Limbaugh and then it is completely accurate.


No, you see, Moore caters to the left in ideology, but due to the ideology of the right, he is doing very well for himself. he is taking advantage of the very system he complains about. It is hypocracy to the highest degree.

His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


Everything you listed here as a complaint of Moore fits Limbaugh too except the racism and hatred of Limbaugh.

I am not well versed on Moore. Read and watched a few things but I have more yucky experience with Limbaugh.

Moore might lean to the left, I am not so sure though.

Moore doesn't promote racial hatred like Limbaugh though so it makes him more legitimate.


1. Explain to me how Moore is not an extreme liberal.
2. Explain to me how Limbaugh takes advantage of a program/system he very much enjoys to the extent of Moore. Either that or give me solid evidence he's a hypocrite to the extreme Moore is.

There is a third too, but I know you'll fixate on it and I really want #2 answered.


Moore seems more moderate in everything I have seen of him or read of him to me so that is not extreme liberalism.

Limbaugh takes advantage of everything. He uses the voice given him to promote hatred and make himself rich from those people who are not sauvy enough to know he is taking advantage of them.


Thanks for the examples.
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I suggest you read more on what Moore promotes.


I suggest you take Limbaugh as the hatemonger that he is first and then we can go from there.

Extreme liberalism needs to be defined since we know that extreme conservatism implies Rush and worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism It has some interesting tidbits.


To redefine my statement, he is extremely socially liberal and his economic beliefs root in those social beliefs.

I believe I asked you for examples of this hate-mongering and you came back with nothing. We are arguing your premises on this topic. If you wish to challenge Moore's hypocrisy, well, I think I already justified my claim. Otherwise, I will not give any credit to your claim until you can at least try to prove it to me.


Define your definition of extreme liberalism first off cause it will probably be wrong to the actual definition. You haven't proven your claim of his extreme liberalism and we already verified Rush's racism over and over again on here.

Prove Rush is not a hatemongerer and Prove to me Michael is an extreme liberal and I will then dispute your substantiated claims because you have proven nothing.

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His product is a "selective documentary" for lack of a better term where the only side shown is the one you want to show. It is therefore, not a documentary and is an entertainment film. By the way, Sicko netted (as in profits) over $25 million. His latest grossed almost $15 million.

Farenheit 9/11... over $215 million dollars NET. two hundred fifteen f'n million! How can you be so blind as to not see they hypocrisy of a guy that makes that kind of money (yes, I understand he didn't take all of it) sitting there saying our system of capitalism is fatally flawed? That very system has made him a multimillionaire. he whines incessantly about that "top 1%" but he is in that top 1%!


However, Limbaugh ******* and moans about everything the liberals and "drive by media" do but he actually sticks to his guns and doesn't take advantage of the liberal programs for the most part.


Either way, they're both wrong and both brainwash many, but at least Limbaugh isn't bitching about the very system that is making him rich.


You forgot to mention how much Rush Limbaugh makes or have , and I'm sure he is not having sleepless nights about the bills lining up on the table.

Either way, one left one right.....they are making a killing on the support of their own fans.. again...instead of thinking for themselves, millions just parrot what they say, because they are unable to add 1+1 together by themselves.

And again, I blame the people , regardless left or right, it's their problem if they have aligned themselves with one side and can't keep an open mind. Follow one side like a dogma, or worship various celebrities and loudmouth radiohosts and self-declared "experts"- neither of them Rush or Moore or any other out there has any expertise on political or social studies, while the ones who do have and hold Phd-s, and decades of experience are ignored, thanks to these loud mouth- profiteers.
Keep listening to one or the other, later have a civil war..I don't care. The people get a government of what they deserve, let it be the cruelest or the best.




The argument I'm making has nothing to do with the relative income, only that while Limbaugh makes millions in the system (capitalism) that he supports, Moore too makes millions and claims so much to hate the very system he has exploited to gain that wealth. To clarify, I have no issues with someone making a couple hundred million on a movie they produce.

But this post is spot on otherwise. drinker


Michael doesn't hate the system. I have yet to see him show hatred for the system.
Showing what can be ugly about the system I would accept, showing hatred no.